D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

                2016 WEEK 8 TOP 25 FAN POLL

#       School                Pts   Prev 
1)   Mary Hardin-Baylor (5)   221     1
2)   UW-Whitewater (2)        213     2
3)   Mount Union (2)          210     3
4)   St Thomas                196     4
5)   UW-Oshkosh               190     5
6)   North Central            176     6
T7)   Linfield                 160     8
T7)   St John's                160     9
9)   UW-Platteville           151     7
10)   Hardin-Simmons           150    10
11)   Johns Hopkins            144    11
12)   Wheaton                  123    13
13)   Thomas More              108    12
14)   Stevenson                 89    15
15)   Alfred                    83    19
16)   Coe                       76    18
17)   St Lawrence               75    16
18)   Wabash                    62    17
19)   E Texas Baptist           61    20
20)   John Carroll              58    21
21)   Denison                   44    23
22)   Wittenberg                38   T24
23)   Salisbury                 34    NR
24)   Monmouth                  32    NR
25)   Wesley                    21    NR

Dropped Out: Franklin, Delaware Valley, Rowan

Also Receiving Votes: Franklin (20), Dubuque (11), Case Western Reserve (7), Frostburg St (3), Muhlenberg (3), Berry (2), Huntingdon (2), Salve Regina (1), St John Fisher (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN-MG, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HansenRatings, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF and smedindy

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

  1)   Mary Hardin-Baylor   221    ( 1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  2,  2,  2,  2)
  2)   UW-Whitewater        213    ( 1,  1,  2,  2,  2,  3,  3,  3,  4)
  3)   Mount Union          210    ( 1,  1,  2,  3,  3,  3,  3,  4,  4)
  4)   St Thomas            196    ( 2,  3,  4,  4,  4,  5,  5,  5,  6)
  5)   UW-Oshkosh           190    ( 3,  4,  5,  5,  5,  5,  5,  6,  6)
  6)   North Central        176    ( 4,  5,  6,  6,  6,  6,  7,  7, 11)
T7)   Linfield             160    ( 4,  6,  7,  7,  7,  9,  9, 10, 15)
T8)   St John's            160    ( 7,  8,  8,  8,  8,  8,  9,  9,  9)
  9)   UW-Platteville       151    ( 6,  7,  8,  8, 10, 10, 11, 11, 12)
10)   Hardin-Simmons       150    ( 7,  8,  9,  9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 11)
11)   Johns Hopkins        144    ( 7,  8,  9, 10, 10, 11, 11, 12, 12)
12)   Wheaton              123    (11, 11, 11, 12, 12, 13, 13, 14, 14)
13)   Thomas More          108    (12, 12, 12, 13, 14, 14, 14, 15, 20)
14)   Stevenson             89    ( 9, 13, 13, 13, 17, 18, 18, 22, 22)
15)   Alfred                83    (12, 13, 16, 16, 17, 17, 17, 21, 22)
16)   Coe                   76    (14, 15, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 20, 21)
17)   St Lawrence           75    (14, 15, 16, 16, 16, 17, 19, 20, --)
18)   Wabash                62    (15, 15, 15, 16, 18, 19, 22, --, --)
19)   E Texas Baptist       61    (14, 14, 18, 18, 19, 19, 20, 25, --)
20)   John Carroll          58    (13, 17, 18, 18, 19, 20, 21, 24, --)
21)   Denison               44    (15, 17, 19, 21, 22, 23, 23, 24, --)
22)   Wittenberg            38    (16, 18, 21, 21, 22, 22, 24, --, --)
23)   Salisbury             34    (17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24, 24, --, --)
24)   Monmouth              32    (13, 16, 19, 24, --, --, --, --, --)
25)   Wesley                21    (21, 22, 23, 23, 23, 24, 25, --, --)

26)   Franklin              20    (17, 20, 22, 25)
27)   Dubuque               11    (20, 23, 25, 25)
28)   Case Western           7    (21, 25, 25)
T29)   Frostburg St           3    (23)
T29)   Muhlenberg             3    (23)
T31)   Berry                  2    (24)
T31)   Huntingdon             2    (24)
T33)   Salve Regina           1    (25)
T33)   St John Fisher         1    (25)

[desertcat1]

ok,  who or whommmm ever has Linfield at # 15 ?   Can you explain ?  I can see maybe 8 other teams in front of them ( I have them at #9)  But,  not 14 ?  c'mon man.   ,  The same thing for NCC  at #11?

[wartknight]

ok,  who or whommmm ever has Linfield at # 15 ?   Can you explain ?  I can see maybe 8 other teams in front of them ( I have them at #9)  But,  not 14 ?  c'mon man.   ,  The same thing for NCC  at #11?

NCC @ #11 makes more sense to me than LF @ #15 (not that I agree with either). I see the order of the NCAC teams as a larger ? mark. I think this poll & the D3 top 25 pollsters are predicting the future (they may be correct) in ranking the NCAC teams.

[smedindy]

Some of us were wait and see on Denison in the past. As a NRFP and a voter here, I didn't like Wabash's effort against Wooster, so I downgraded them.

The NCAC is backloaded this year (by chance, thanks to Denison) so it'll all be sorted out eventually. Wittenberg has the easiest schedule. Wabash, Denison and DPU all have tough matchups (Wabash plays a resurgent OWU, Denison and DPU; Denison and DPU play each other too). So basically voters may be forecasting the final standings.

The fact of the matter is that the difference between the teams is pretty slight IMHO.

[D3MAFAN]

ok,  who or whommmm ever has Linfield at # 15 ?   Can you explain ?  I can see maybe 8 other teams in front of them ( I have them at #9)  But,  not 14 ?  c'mon man.   ,  The same thing for NCC  at #11?

NCC @ #11 makes more sense to me than LF @ #15 (not that I agree with either). I see the order of the NCAC teams as a larger ? mark. I think this poll & the D3 top 25 pollsters are predicting the future (they may be correct) in ranking the NCAC teams.

That would be me. As far as reasoning, I just felt that other teams have played more quality opponents and won or played fairly better and performed better against their schedule at the time and their conference opponents appear to be better. I have all the WIAC, MIAC, Texas, CCIW, and a couple other teams ahead at the moment. I am sure they will be back into my top 10 or 8 by the end of the regular season, if not higher.

[HansenRatings]

As far as the way I'm seeing the NCAC, I had both Witt & Wabash in my ballot last week, and only Witt this week. I probably won't put Denison in my Top 25 unless they beat Wabash or DePauw. Witt is still the top team in the conference for me based on 2 wins vs. good opponents. Wabash really doesn't have any good wins right now (and hasn't looked great lately to imply the Witt loss was a fluke), and Denison has one good win.

[smedindy]

After this weekend I moved Denison ahead of Witt and Wabash, and then put John Carroll in front of all of the NCAC.

[desertcat1]

ok,  who or whommmm ever has Linfield at # 15 ?   Can you explain ?  I can see maybe 8 other teams in front of them ( I have them at #9)  But,  not 14 ?  c'mon man.   ,  The same thing for NCC  at #11?

NCC @ #11 makes more sense to me than LF @ #15 (not that I agree with either). I see the order of the NCAC teams as a larger ? mark. I think this poll & the D3 top 25 pollsters are predicting the future (they may be correct) in ranking the NCAC teams.

That would be me. As far as reasoning, I just felt that other teams have played more quality opponents and won or played fairly better and performed better against their schedule at the time and their conference opponents appear to be better. I have all the WIAC, MIAC, Texas, CCIW, and a couple other teams ahead at the moment. I am sure they will be back into my top 10 or 8 by the end of the regular season, if not higher.

d3mafan,

Still no answer to whom  the "other (6)  are ?   I agree with the first 9. ( wiac 3, miac 2, cciw 2, texas 2.) but after that was the question ?   Could it be east coast left coast ? 
   

[D3MAFAN]

ok,  who or whommmm ever has Linfield at # 15 ?   Can you explain ?  I can see maybe 8 other teams in front of them ( I have them at #9)  But,  not 14 ?  c'mon man.   ,  The same thing for NCC  at #11?

NCC @ #11 makes more sense to me than LF @ #15 (not that I agree with either). I see the order of the NCAC teams as a larger ? mark. I think this poll & the D3 top 25 pollsters are predicting the future (they may be correct) in ranking the NCAC teams.

That would be me. As far as reasoning, I just felt that other teams have played more quality opponents and won or played fairly better and performed better against their schedule at the time and their conference opponents appear to be better. I have all the WIAC, MIAC, Texas, CCIW, and a couple other teams ahead at the moment. I am sure they will be back into my top 10 or 8 by the end of the regular season, if not higher.

d3mafan,

Still no answer to whom  the "other (6)  are ?   I agree with the first 9. ( wiac 3, miac 2, cciw 2, texas 2.) but after that was the question ?   Could it be east coast left coast ? 
   

There is no east coast/left coast thing going on. The highest east team is 9 and my top 4 has 3 west/left coast teams. Usually after playoffs, our top "East" Most team is usually ranked 8 or 9, so where I have them is consistent with most pollsters, except my opinion on where Linfield is ranked. History would tell you otherwise, but after taking a brutal loss to my #1 team, I don't think this is the same Linfield team of the past two years, they don't have the OOC schedule to prove otherwise other than losing poorly to the #1 team, it wouldn't be "fair" to other undefeated teams from stronger conferences who face tough challenges week in and week out (i.e. Alfred - there you go one "east" team that I have ranked higher. I also have East Texas as well. ) and no I am not sharing my full ballot with you.

[02 Warhawk]

ok,  who or whommmm ever has Linfield at # 15 ?   Can you explain ?  I can see maybe 8 other teams in front of them ( I have them at #9)  But,  not 14 ?  c'mon man.   ,  The same thing for NCC  at #11?

NCC @ #11 makes more sense to me than LF @ #15 (not that I agree with either). I see the order of the NCAC teams as a larger ? mark. I think this poll & the D3 top 25 pollsters are predicting the future (they may be correct) in ranking the NCAC teams.

That would be me. As far as reasoning, I just felt that other teams have played more quality opponents and won or played fairly better and performed better against their schedule at the time and their conference opponents appear to be better. I have all the WIAC, MIAC, Texas, CCIW, and a couple other teams ahead at the moment. I am sure they will be back into my top 10 or 8 by the end of the regular season, if not higher.

d3mafan,

Still no answer to whom  the "other (6)  are ?   I agree with the first 9. ( wiac 3, miac 2, cciw 2, texas 2.) but after that was the question ?   Could it be east coast left coast ? 
   

There is no east coast/left coast thing going on. The highest east team is 9 and my top 4 has 3 west/left coast teams. Usually after playoffs, our top "East" Most team is usually ranked 8 or 9, so where I have them is consistent with most pollsters, except my opinion on where Linfield is ranked. History would tell you otherwise, but after taking a brutal loss to my #1 team, I don't think this is the same Linfield team of the past two years, they don't have the OOC schedule to prove otherwise other than losing poorly to the #1 team, it wouldn't be "fair" to other undefeated teams from stronger conferences who face tough challenges week in and week out (i.e. Alfred - there you go one "east" team that I have ranked higher. I also have East Texas as well . ) and no I am not sharing my full ballot with you.

So do you look at it as if Alfred played Linfield, on a neutral field right now, Alfred would win? As well as East Texas?

[D3MAFAN]

ok,  who or whommmm ever has Linfield at # 15 ?   Can you explain ?  I can see maybe 8 other teams in front of them ( I have them at #9)  But,  not 14 ?  c'mon man.   ,  The same thing for NCC  at #11?

NCC @ #11 makes more sense to me than LF @ #15 (not that I agree with either). I see the order of the NCAC teams as a larger ? mark. I think this poll & the D3 top 25 pollsters are predicting the future (they may be correct) in ranking the NCAC teams.

That would be me. As far as reasoning, I just felt that other teams have played more quality opponents and won or played fairly better and performed better against their schedule at the time and their conference opponents appear to be better. I have all the WIAC, MIAC, Texas, CCIW, and a couple other teams ahead at the moment. I am sure they will be back into my top 10 or 8 by the end of the regular season, if not higher.

d3mafan,

Still no answer to whom  the "other (6)  are ?   I agree with the first 9. ( wiac 3, miac 2, cciw 2, texas 2.) but after that was the question ?   Could it be east coast left coast ? 
   

There is no east coast/left coast thing going on. The highest east team is 9 and my top 4 has 3 west/left coast teams. Usually after playoffs, our top "East" Most team is usually ranked 8 or 9, so where I have them is consistent with most pollsters, except my opinion on where Linfield is ranked. History would tell you otherwise, but after taking a brutal loss to my #1 team, I don't think this is the same Linfield team of the past two years, they don't have the OOC schedule to prove otherwise other than losing poorly to the #1 team, it wouldn't be "fair" to other undefeated teams from stronger conferences who face tough challenges week in and week out (i.e. Alfred - there you go one "east" team that I have ranked higher. I also have East Texas as well . ) and no I am not sharing my full ballot with you.

So do you look at it as if Alfred played Linfield, on a neutral field right now, Alfred would win? As well as East Texas?

I look at it as Alfred is undefeated from a strong conference and Linfield from a weaker conference with a bad loss. Regarding East Texas, both Linfield and East Texas got blitzed in the second half. Both Alfred and East Texas have a few key match ups coming up to prove me right, while Linfield has playoffs to prove me wrong. I did indicate that they would probably go back up once the other teams continue to play out their schedule.

[desertcat1]

d3mafan,

still YOU DID NOT ANSwer my question.   All i wanted to know was who you put in from # 9 to # 14 that's all. 
Sorry to disagree with you but ALFRED(E-8) is NOT at the same level as linfield.  (imho)  

Hey man it's just a poll ? it's not The Don VS Hillary.. show  
you should be proud of what you cast.   

[D3MAFAN]

d3mafan,

still YOU DID NOT ANSwer my question.   All i wanted to know was who you put in from # 9 to # 14 that's all. 
Sorry to disagree with you but ALFRED(E-8) is NOT at the same level as linfield.  (imho)  

Hey man it's just a poll ? it's not The Don VS Hillary.. show  
you should be proud of what you cast.   

Stevenson, Johns Hopkins and East Texas were the others. IMHO, at the time they had a better resume. I know in DIV III, history plays a big part in voting when there are less cross regional matchups, but like had stated in my earlier post, its at the time. However, IMHO, I think the best E 8 team would give Linfield a run for a money any year, that is one tough conference, its any given Saturday for them, NWC not so much (I basically penciled you guys into round 2 of the playoffs after week 6). I do respect your program, but its way tougher to go 9 straight weeks against teams that can beat you rather than only playing two big games a season and being well rested for playoffs.

[newcru]

I have never seen this board before how interesting