D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

[smedindy]

Case will either justify their ranking, or their non-ranking, with their games against Westminster and C-M.

As far as UW-W, I don't think they're Top 25 caliber. They beat Stout at home, sure. But Wash U. is 1-5 and they needed a 4th quarter rally. Hard to believe they were losing after 3 to the Bears.

I dropped both Whitewater and Stout from my West Region poll (Whitewater for two weeks) and have LAX as my third WIAC member.

My question is Linfield. I'm low on them. I have them as fifth...in the WEST (behind Oshkosh, St. Thomas, St. John's, and Platteville). Their whippin' of Whitworth lost its sheen with George Fox did the same, and on the road.

[HSCTiger74]

Kinda surprised (though not shocked) that I was the ONLY voter for UWW.  Three losses is hard to overcome, but folks: the Whitewater 'Reign of Terror' is over, but they are still a very dangrous team.  Barring some very improbable results, they won't make the playoffs, but I guarantee no one would look forward to playing them if they did.

This comment on UWW and the ranking of St Thomas really demonstrate the differences in poll perspective. Do I think UW-W would be likely to beat a lot of these top 25 teams? Sure. Does their track record support it? Nah.

I am somewhat sympathetic to the arguments that St Thomas shouldn't be ranked so highly (I'm not going to complain that they are though). They are the only team in the top 25 with a loss to a now-unranked team. The transitive property only takes us so far and I would feel pretty good about UST facing any team outside of the top 3 here.

   Smed beat me to the punch while I was typing, but I thought I'd go ahead and post this anyway.     
   Something else that I believe needs to be kept in mind is that upsets happen. On September 9 Stout played better and won the game, but whether or not they are actually a better team than St. Thomas is open to debate.

[wm4]

And as is generally true in college polls, an early loss is better than a later loss.  Just 4 weeks later and UST is already back up to 6th, when had they not lost to Stout, they would have been 4th. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Kinda surprised (though not shocked) that I was the ONLY voter for UWW.  Three losses is hard to overcome, but folks: the Whitewater 'Reign of Terror' is over, but they are still a very dangrous team.  Barring some very improbable results, they won't make the playoffs, but I guarantee no one would look forward to playing them if they did.

This comment on UWW and the ranking of St Thomas really demonstrate the differences in poll perspective. Do I think UW-W would be likely to beat a lot of these top 25 teams? Sure. Does their track record support it? Nah.

I am somewhat sympathetic to the arguments that St Thomas shouldn't be ranked so highly (I'm not going to complain that they are though). They are the only team in the top 25 with a loss to a now-unranked team. The transitive property only takes us so far and I would feel pretty good about UST facing any team outside of the top 3 here.

   Smed beat me to the punch while I was typing, but I thought I'd go ahead and post this anyway.     
   Something else that I believe needs to be kept in mind is that upsets happen. On September 9 Stout played better and won the game, but whether or not they are actually a better team than St. Thomas is open to debate.

Not really.  (Spoiler Alert!)  They're not.  That was definitely an upset, if the term has any meaning at all.

[HSCTiger74]

Kinda surprised (though not shocked) that I was the ONLY voter for UWW.  Three losses is hard to overcome, but folks: the Whitewater 'Reign of Terror' is over, but they are still a very dangrous team.  Barring some very improbable results, they won't make the playoffs, but I guarantee no one would look forward to playing them if they did.

This comment on UWW and the ranking of St Thomas really demonstrate the differences in poll perspective. Do I think UW-W would be likely to beat a lot of these top 25 teams? Sure. Does their track record support it? Nah.

I am somewhat sympathetic to the arguments that St Thomas shouldn't be ranked so highly (I'm not going to complain that they are though). They are the only team in the top 25 with a loss to a now-unranked team. The transitive property only takes us so far and I would feel pretty good about UST facing any team outside of the top 3 here.

   Smed beat me to the punch while I was typing, but I thought I'd go ahead and post this anyway.     
   Something else that I believe needs to be kept in mind is that upsets happen. On September 9 Stout played better and won the game, but whether or not they are actually a better team than St. Thomas is open to debate.

Not really.  (Spoiler Alert!)  They're not.  That was definitely an upset, if the term has any meaning at all.

     No kidding. That's why UST is in my poll and Stout isn't, but I was trying to be semi-polite about  it.   

[smedindy]

Man, the chaos in the North has cascaded through my ballot. It's...ugly.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

The tie for 19th place has returned after a two week hiatus.

                2017 Week 7 TOP 25 FAN POLL

  #        School                Pts   Prev
  1)   Mary Hardin-Baylor (8)    248     1
  2)   Mount Union (2)           241     2
  3)   UW-Oshkosh                231     3
  4)   Hardin-Simmons            205     5
  5)   St Thomas                 198     6
  6)   Linfield                  190     7
  7)   Delaware Valley           186     8
  8)   St John's                 180     9
  9)   Illinois Wesleyan         151    10
10)   Wittenberg                141    13
11)   Wesley                    140    12
12)   North Central             130     4
13)   Brockport                 122    14
T14)   UW-Platteville            116    11
T14)   Washington & Jefferson    116    15
16)   Wheaton                   102   T25
17)   Frostburg St              101    17
18)   Case Western Reserve      100    16
T19)   George Fox                 59    19
T19)   Wartburg                   59    20
21)   Johns Hopkins              49   T23
T22)   Berry                      46    21
T22)   Concordia-Moorhead         46    22
24)   Springfield                16    NR
T25)   Millikin                   13    NR
T25)   UW-Whitewater              13    NR

Dropped Out: Alfred, Wabash, Framingham St

Also Receiving Votes: Alfred (9), Heidelberg (8), Carthage (7), Monmouth (6), Trine (6), DePauw (5), Salisbury (5), Westminster (PA) (3), UW-La Crosse (2)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HansenRatings, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, Scots13, and smedindy

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

  1)   Mary Hardin-Baylor    248     ( 1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  2,  2)
  2)   Mount Union           241     ( 1,  1,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  3)
  3)   UW-Oshkosh            231     ( 2,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3)
  4)   Hardin-Simmons        205     ( 4,  4,  4,  4,  4,  5,  6,  7,  8,  9)
  5)   St Thomas             198     ( 4,  4,  4,  5,  5,  6,  6,  7,  8, 13)
  6)   Linfield              190     ( 4,  5,  5,  5,  6,  6,  8,  9, 10, 12)
  7)   Delaware Valley       186     ( 4,  5,  5,  6,  7,  8,  8,  8, 11, 12)
  8)   St John's             180     ( 6,  6,  7,  7,  7,  7,  8,  9,  9, 14)
  9)   Illinois Wesleyan     151     ( 6,  9,  9, 10, 10, 12, 12, 13, 13, 15)
10)   Wittenberg            141     ( 5,  5,  8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 22)
11)   Wesley                140     ( 7,  9, 11, 11, 12, 13, 13, 13, 14, 17)
12)   North Central         130     ( 9, 10, 10, 11, 11, 12, 12, 14, 18, 23)
13)   Brockport             122     ( 6, 10, 13, 13, 14, 14, 15, 17, 17, 19)
T14)   UW-Platteville        116     ( 7,  7,  9, 10, 14, 15, 17, 18, 22, 25)
T14)   Wash & Jeff           116     ( 9, 11, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 16, 20, 21)
16)   Wheaton               102     ( 8, 10, 10, 11, 15, 16, 18, 18, --, --)
17)   Frostburg St          101     ( 8, 14, 14, 16, 16, 17, 17, 18, 19, 20)
18)   Case Western Reserve  100     (11, 12, 14, 14, 15, 15, 15, 17, 21, --)
T19)   George Fox             59     (16, 18, 19, 19, 20, 20, 20, 22, 22, 25)
T19)   Wartburg               59     (15, 15, 17, 17, 20, 22, 22, 23, 24, --)
21)   Johns Hopkins          49     (16, 18, 19, 19, 20, 21, 23, 23, --, --)
T22)   Berry                  46     (16, 18, 19, 19, 21, 21, 22, --, --, --)
T22)   Concordia-Moorhead     46     (16, 18, 21, 21, 21, 21, 23, 24, 24, 25)
24)   Springfield            16     (20, 22, 23, 24, 25, --, --, --, --, --)
T25)   Millikin               13     (20, 22, 23, --, --, --, --, --, --, --)
T25)   UW-Whitewater          13     (18, 21, --, --, --, --, --, --, --, --)

27)   Alfred                  9     (19, 24)
28)   Heidelberg              8     (19, 25)
29)   Carthage                7     (20, 25)
T30)   Monmouth                6     (23, 23)
T30)   Trine                   6     (22, 24)
T32)   DePauw                  5     (24, 25, 25, 25)
T32)   Salisbury               5     (24, 24, 25)
34)   Westminster (PA)        3     (23)
35)   UW-La Crosse            2     (24)

[smedindy]

I'm high or low on several - I will say that I made a slight error and flipped two teams here from where I had them on the North poll but that wouldn't affect the overall rankings.

There are probably 35 teams to consider, and in my eyes there are 25 teams fighting for 11 - down.

[HansenRatings]

I'm high or low on several - I will say that I made a slight error and flipped two teams here from where I had them on the North poll but that wouldn't affect the overall rankings.

There are probably 35 teams to consider, and in my eyes there are 25 teams fighting for 11 - down.

What order do you have the CCIW teams in?

I went NCC (10), IWU (12), Wheaton (18), Carthage (25)

[smedindy]

10. IWU
20. Carthage
22. Millikin
23. North Central

I spent a long time moving teams up and down and landed on that. But...ask me again today and it may be different.

[D3MAFAN]

10. IWU
20. Carthage
22. Millikin
23. North Central

I spent a long time moving teams up and down and landed on that. But...ask me again today and it may be different.

That's how our ERFP rankings are.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

               2017 Week 8 TOP 25 FAN POLL

#         School                Pts   Prev
1)   Mary Hardin-Baylor (8)     248     1
2)   Mount Union (2)            241     2
3)   UW-Oshkosh                 231     3
4)   St Thomas                  201     5
5)   Hardin-Simmons             200     4
6)   Linfield                   192     6
7)   Delaware Valley            184     7
8)   St John's                  181     8
9)   Wittenberg                 156    10
10)   Illinois Wesleyan          148     9
11)   Wesley                     140    11
12)   North Central              129    12
13)   UW-Platteville             127   T14
14)   Brockport                  122    13
15)   Wheaton                    108    16
16)   Washington & Jefferson     103   T14
17)   Frostburg St               101    17
18)   Case Western Reserve        96    18
19)   Wartburg                    57   T19
20)   Berry                       56   T22
21)   George Fox                  53   T19
22)   Concordia-Moorhead          50   T22
23)   Johns Hopkins               49    21
24)   Springfield                 26    24
25)   UW-Whitewater               15   T25

Dropped Out: Millikin

Also Receiving Votes: Millikin (14), Salisbury (9), Trine (7), Monmouth (3), Westminster (PA) (2), Trinity (CT) (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HansenRatings, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, Scots13, and smedindy

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Only 31 teams this week is the lowest number of the season

  1)  Mary Hardin-Baylor    248     ( 1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  2,  2)
2)   Mount Union           241     ( 1,  1,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  3)
3)   UW-Oshkosh            231     ( 2,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3)
4)   St Thomas             201     ( 4,  4,  4,  4,  4,  5,  6,  7,  8, 13)
5)   Hardin-Simmons        200     ( 4,  4,  5,  5,  5,  6,  7,  7,  8,  9)
6)   Linfield              192     ( 4,  4,  5,  5,  6,  7,  8,  9, 10, 10)
7)   Delaware Valley       184     ( 5,  5,  5,  6,  7,  8,  8,  8, 12, 12)
8)   St John's             181     ( 6,  6,  6,  7,  7,  7,  8,  9,  9, 14)
9)   Wittenberg            156     ( 4,  5,  8,  8, 10, 11, 11, 13, 15, 19)
10)   Illinois Wesleyan     148     ( 6,  9,  9, 10, 12, 12, 12, 13, 14, 15)
11)   Wesley                140     ( 7,  9,  9, 11, 12, 13, 13, 14, 14, 18)
12)   North Central         129     ( 9, 10, 10, 11, 12, 12, 14, 15, 19, 19)
13)   UW-Platteville        127     ( 6,  7,  9, 10, 13, 14, 15, 17, 20, 22)
14)   Brockport             122     ( 6, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 18)
15)   Wheaton               108     (10, 10, 11, 11, 16, 16, 17, 18, 18, 25)
16)   Wash & Jeff           103     (11, 11, 13, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 21, 22)
17)   Frostburg St          101     ( 8, 12, 14, 16, 17, 17, 18, 18, 19, 20)
18)   Case Western Reserve   96     (11, 12, 14, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20, 20, 25)
19)   Wartburg               57     (15, 15, 17, 19, 19, 22, 22, 23, 25, --)
20)   Berry                  56     (16, 17, 18, 19, 19, 20, 22, 22, 25, --)
21)   George Fox             53     (13, 15, 16, 20, 20, 22, 23, --, --, --)
22)   Concordia-Moorhead     50     (16, 19, 21, 21, 21, 21, 21, 23, 23, 24)
23)   Johns Hopkins          49     (16, 17, 19, 20, 20, 22, 22, 23, --, --)
24)   Springfield            26     (20, 21, 21, 23, 23, 24, 25, 25, --, --)
25)   UW-Whitewater          15     (18, 21, 24, --, --, --, --, --, --, --)

26)   Millikin               14     (21, 22, 23, 25, 25)
27)   Salisbury               9     (24, 24, 24, 24, 25)
28)   Trine                   7     (23, 24, 24)
29)   Monmouth                3     (23)
30)   Westminster (PA)        2     (24)
31)   Trinity (CT)            1     (25)

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

               2017 Week 9 TOP 25 FAN POLL

  #         School                Pts   Prev
  1)   Mary Hardin-Baylor (8)     248     1
  2)   Mount Union (2)            241     2
  3)   UW-Oshkosh                 230     3
  4)   St Thomas                  204     4
  5)   Hardin-Simmons             200     5
  6)   Delaware Valley            189     7
  7)   St John's                  186     8
  8)   Linfield                   175     6
  9)   Illinois Wesleyan          155    10
10)   Wittenberg                 152     9
11)   North Central              144    12
12)   Wesley                     143    11
13)   Brockport                  134    14
14)   Frostburg St               108    17
15)   Wash & Jeff                105    16
16)   Case Western Reserve       103    18
17)   Wheaton                     98    15
18)   Wartburg                    80    19
19)   Concordia-Moorhead          59    22
20)   Berry                       58    20
T21)   Johns Hopkins               49    23
T21)   UW-Platteville              49    13
23)   George Fox                  34    21
24)   Springfield                 28    24
25)   UW-Whitewater               21    25

Dropped Out: None

Also Receiving Votes: Salisbury (14), Trine (12), Carthage (9), UW-La Crosse (6), Monmouth (5), Westminster (PA) (5), Framingham St (2), Husson (2), Trinity (CT) (1), Union (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HansenRatings, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, Scots13, and smedindy