D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

[emma17]

snip...

man, you really screwed up the quote stuff.  the bold text is from you....

we all know that the '19 national championship game was in Alliance and not Texas

So by your logic the 2018 national championship was played in the 3rd round in Belton?  Come on man...

And who is we?

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

We had one voter tell me they would be absent this week and one who just hasn't responded so we're going with 5 ballots.


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2021 WEEK 6 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank	Team	W-L	Points	Prev
1)	North Central (4)	5-0	124	1
2)	Mary Hardin-Baylor (1)	5-0	116	2
T3)	Mount Union	5-0	113	T3
T3)	UW-Whitewater	5-0	113	T3
5)	Wheaton	4-1	102	5
6)	Linfield	4-0	101	7
7)	Delaware Valley	5-0	90	8
8)	St John's	5-0	89	6
9)	UW-La Crosse	4-1	75	18
10)	Central	6-0	73	12
11)	Hardin-Simmons	4-1	72	10
12)	Johns Hopkins	5-0	68	11
13)	Washington & Jefferson	6-0	65	14
14)	Salisbury	3-1	62	15
15)	Union	6-0	61	13
16)	Bethel	4-1	55	16
17)	Ithaca	5-0	38	17
18)	Cortland	5-0	34	19
19)	Susquehanna	5-0	30	21
T20)	Muhlenberg	4-1	22	22
T20)	UW-Oshkosh	3-1	22	9
22)	John Carroll	3-2	18	T23
23)	Birmingham Southern	5-0	16	T25
24)	Trinity (TX)	4-0	15	NR
25)	Whitworth	4-1	13	20

Dropped Out: #T23 Hobart and #T25 Aurora

Also Receiving Votes: Aurora 11, Hobart 10, Baldwin Wallace 7, Gustavus Adolphus 4, Wabash 3, Merchant Marine 1, Pacific 1, Redlands 1

Voters: 02 Warhawk, Captainred81, desertcat1, FANOFD3, FCGG, NCF, and Oline89

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

  1)   North Central           124     ( 1,  1,  1,  1,  2)
  2)   Mary Hardin-Baylor      116     ( 1,  2,  3,  4,  4)
T3)   Mount Union             113     ( 3,  3,  3,  4,  4)
T3)   UW-Whitewater           113     ( 2,  2,  3,  5,  5)
  5)   Wheaton                 102     ( 4,  5,  5,  5,  9)
  6)   Linfield                101     ( 2,  6,  6,  7,  8)
  7)   Delaware Valley          90     ( 6,  7,  8,  9, 10)
  8)   St John's                89     ( 6,  7,  8, 10, 10)
  9)   UW-La Crosse             75     ( 9, 10, 11, 12, 13)
10)   Central                  73     ( 6,  9, 14, 14, 14)
11)   Hardin-Simmons           72     ( 7,  9, 13, 13, 16)
12)   Johns Hopkins            68     ( 7,  8, 12, 17, 18)
13)   Wash & Jeff              65     (11, 11, 11, 14, 18)
14)   Salisbury                62     (11, 12, 13, 15, 17)
15)   Union                    61     (10, 12, 14, 16, 17)
16)   Bethel                   55     ( 8, 12, 13, 16, --)
17)   Ithaca                   38     (15, 16, 18, 19, 24)
18)   Cortland                 34     (15, 16, 18, 22, 25)
19)   Susquehanna              30     (17, 17, 20, 23, 23)
T20)   Muhlenberg               22     (19, 20, 21, 22, --)
T20)   UW-Oshkosh               22     (15, 15, --, --, --)
22)   John Carroll             18     (18, 21, 23, 24, --)
23)   Birmingham Southern      16     (19, 19, 24, --, --)
24)   Trinity (TX)             15     (21, 21, 23, 24, --)
25)   Whitworth                13     (19, 20, --, --, --)

26)   Aurora                   11     (20, 21)
27)   Hobart                   10     (20, 22)
28)   Baldwin Wallace           7     (22, 23)
29)   Gustavus Adolphus         4     (22)
30)   Wabash                    3     (24, 25)
T31)   Merchant Marine           1     (25)
T31)   Pacific                   1     (25)
T31)   Redlands                  1     (25)

[D3fanboy]

snip...

man, you really screwed up the quote stuff.  the bold text is from you....

we all know that the '19 national championship game was in Alliance and not Texas

So by your logic the 2018 national championship was played in the 3rd round in Belton?  Come on man...

'18 - three point win vs an eight point win, '19 seven point game in Alliance but NCC didnt have another even semi-close game...what a stretch, come on man

[02 Warhawk]

First seventiesraider, then PurpleSuit, now D3fanboy

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Lots of ties this week. Gained one voter from last week but still one voter MIA.

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2021 WEEK 7 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank	Team	W-L	Points	Prev
1)	North Central (5)	6-0	149	1
2)	Mary Hardin-Baylor (1)	6-0	139	2
T3)	Mount Union	6-0	136	T3
T3)	UW-Whitewater	6-0	136	T3
T5)	Linfield	5-0	117	6
T5)	Wheaton	5-1	117	5
7)	St John's	6-0	115	8
8)	Delaware Valley	6-0	110	7
9)	Central	6-0	90	10
T10)	Union	6-0	88	15
T10)	Washington & Jefferson	6-0	88	13
12)	Hardin-Simmons	5-1	86	11
13)	UW-La Crosse	5-1	84	9
14)	Bethel	5-1	74	16
15)	Salisbury	4-1	71	14
16)	Ithaca	6-0	51	17
T17)	Cortland	6-0	49	18
T17)	Susquehanna	6-0	49	19
19)	Muhlenberg	5-1	42	T20
20)	Johns Hopkins	5-1	31	12
21)	UW-Oshkosh	3-2	23	T20
T22)	Birmingham Southern	6-0	19	23
T22)	Trinity (TX)	5-0	19	24
24)	Whitworth	5-1	17	25
25)	John Carroll	4-2	16	22

Dropped Out: None

Also Receiving Votes: Baldwin Wallace 9, Aurora 7, Hobart 7, Washington & Lee 7, UW-Platteville 2, Merchant Marine 1, Randolph-Macon 1

Voters: 02 Warhawk, Captainred81, desertcat1, FANOFD3, FCGG, NCF, and Oline89

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

  1)   North Central           149     ( 1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  2)
  2)   Mary Hardin-Baylor      139     ( 1,  2,  3,  3,  4,  4)
T3)   Mount Union             136     ( 3,  3,  3,  3,  4,  4)
T3)   UW-Whitewater           136     ( 2,  2,  2,  4,  5,  5)
T5)   Linfield                117     ( 2,  6,  7,  7,  8,  9)
T5)   Wheaton                 117     ( 4,  5,  5,  6,  8, 11)
  7)   St John's               115     ( 5,  5,  6,  7,  8, 10)
  8)   Delaware Valley         110     ( 6,  6,  7,  8,  9, 10)
  9)   Central                  90     ( 6,  9, 11, 13, 13, 14)
T10)   Union                    88     ( 7,  8, 12, 12, 14, 15)
T11)   Washington & Jefferson   88     (10, 10, 11, 11, 13, 13)
12)   Hardin-Simmons           86     ( 7,  8, 12, 14, 14, 15)
13)   UW-La Crosse             84     ( 9,  9, 10, 14, 15, 15)
14)   Bethel                   74     ( 9, 11, 13, 15, 16, 18)
15)   Salisbury                71     (11, 12, 12, 15, 16, 19)
16)   Ithaca                   51     (12, 16, 16, 16, 20, 25)
T17)   Cortland                 49     (13, 14, 17, 20, 21, 22)
T17)   Susquehanna              49     (10, 17, 19, 19, 20, 22)
19)   Muhlenberg               42     (17, 18, 18, 20, 20, 21)
20)   Johns Hopkins            31     (18, 19, 21, 22, 22, 23)
21)   UW-Oshkosh               23     (16, 17, 23, 25, --, --)
T22)   Birmingham Southern      19     (17, 21, 23, 24, --, --)
T22)   Trinity (TX)             19     (18, 20, 22, 25, --, --)
24)   Whitworth                17     (17, 18, --, --, --, --)
25)   John Carroll             16     (19, 21, 23, 25, --, --)

26)   Baldwin Wallace           9     (22, 23, 24)
T27)   Aurora                    7     (19)
T27)   Hobart                    7     (23, 24, 24)
T27)   Washington & Lee          7     (21, 24)
30)   UW-Platteville            2     (24)
T31)   Merchant Marine           1     (25)
T31)   Randolph-Macon            1     (25)

[Ron Boerger]

For the consideration of the voters who don't think 5-0 Trinity (TX) is a top 25 team, some NCAA stats:

Total defense: 158.2 yds/game, 2nd
Rushing defense:  36.0 yds/game, 1st
Scoring defense:  5.4 ppg, 1st
Total offense:  498.4 yds/game, 15th
Scoring offense:  43.0 ppg, T-16th
Time of possession:  37:28, 1st

So yeah, they haven't played the toughest schedule, but those results include knocking off five-time defending SAA champion Berry 27-6 at their place* as well as handing a 4-0 Centre team a 27-7 loss  - the same Centre that led Birmingham Southern most of the way before falling by 7 last week.  You can only play the teams in front of you and IMBO** the way they have taken care of business shows they are worthy of top 25 consideration. 

* - only the second time Berry has lost at home in SAA play since their stadium was completed in 2015
** - B = biased 

[02 Warhawk]

I'm one of those who didn't give Trinity a vote. There's just so many teams to consider for the bottom 5 to squeeze into the top 25. However, Trinity is definitely in the discussion and should be considered.

Looks like I'm the only one who's picking Aurora. They lost by only 6 at St. John's (who's ranked 7th). It's a game they could have easily won if it wasn't for a 4th and goal stand by SJU on the 5 yard line. If you lost by only 6, on the road to a top 10 team, you're definitely top 25 worthy. I'm one who puts a lot of stock in underdogs who have close games against good opponents. Yes, they got trucked by NCC....but who doesn't. They're clearly the best team in the country until someone beats them. Since those two losses Aurora has been on a tear. They will probably win out b/c their conference isn't very strong and Aurora has one of the better QBs in the nation.

Bottom line, one-score losses against top 10 teams (especially on the road) are more impressive to me than blowout wins against weak opponents, imho. However, once that team loses a game they should have won, then all bets are off...which Aurora hasn't done yet. I'm not trying to convince people to vote for Aurora, I just wanted to let you know where I'm coming from b/c I have them at 19.

[hazzben]

I'm one of those who didn't give Trinity a vote. There's just so many teams to consider for the bottom 5 to squeeze into the top 25. However, Trinity is definitely in the discussion and should be considered.

Looks like I'm the only one who's picking Aurora. They lost by only 6 at St. John's (who's ranked 7th). It's a game they could have easily won if it wasn't for a 4th and goal stand by SJU on the 5 yard line. If you lost by only 6, on the road to a top 10 team, you're definitely top 25 worthy. I'm one who puts a lot of stock in underdogs who have close games against good opponents. Yes, they got trucked by NCC....but who doesn't. They're clearly the best team in the country until someone beats them. Since those two losses Aurora has been on a tear. They will probably win out b/c their conference isn't very strong and Aurora has one of the better QBs in the nation.

Bottom line, one-score losses against top 10 teams (especially on the road) are more impressive to me than blowout wins against weak opponents, imho. However, once that team loses a game they should have won, then all bets are off...which Aurora hasn't done yet. I'm not trying to convince people to vote for Aurora, I just wanted to let you know where I'm coming from b/c I have them at 19.

That SJU D has also pitched 3 straight shutouts. And Aurora moved the ball on them.

[Captainred81]

I know there's a huge gap between the top 10 and the rest of the division, but I find it hard to give a vote a to a team that lost so big North Central, even if they hung around with SJU.  I guess you can read into those results a bunch of way, but if Mount Union had beaten BW or John Carroll by that margin, I'm sure they would not be getting votes, even if they hung in there with WJ like Carroll did

[hazzben]

I know there's a huge gap between the top 10 and the rest of the division, but I find it hard to give a vote a to a team that lost so big North Central, even if they hung around with SJU.  I guess you can read into those results a bunch of way, but if Mount Union had beaten BW or John Carroll by that margin, I'm sure they would not be getting votes, even if they hung in there with WJ like Carroll did

Yeah, but there's also a gap between the Top 4-6 as well. There are very good (top 25) teams that get boat raced in the Semi-finals by the truly elite of D3. So in Aurora you have a close road loss to a very good SJU team and a blowout loss to a very good NCC team. FWIW, having seen SJU, I doubt there more than 5 other teams ranked 10-25 that could have kept it as close as Aurora did. And having only watched the Wheaton v. NCC game, I'll bet there are easily another 10 schools in the top 25 capable of getting blown out by 5+ scores against NCC (Or UMHB, Mount, UWW).

[02 Warhawk]

Yeah, if you take Johns Hopkins (who we all voted on) and match them up against NCC. I wouldn't be surprised if the outcome would be very similar to the NCC/Aurora game.

[Ice Bear]

I'm one of those who didn't give Trinity a vote. There's just so many teams to consider for the bottom 5 to squeeze into the top 25. However, Trinity is definitely in the discussion and should be considered.

Looks like I'm the only one who's picking Aurora. They lost by only 6 at St. John's (who's ranked 7th). It's a game they could have easily won if it wasn't for a 4th and goal stand by SJU on the 5 yard line. If you lost by only 6, on the road to a top 10 team, you're definitely top 25 worthy. I'm one who puts a lot of stock in underdogs who have close games against good opponents. Yes, they got trucked by NCC....but who doesn't. They're clearly the best team in the country until someone beats them. Since those two losses Aurora has been on a tear. They will probably win out b/c their conference isn't very strong and Aurora has one of the better QBs in the nation.

Bottom line, one-score losses against top 10 teams (especially on the road) are more impressive to me than blowout wins against weak opponents, imho. However, once that team loses a game they should have won, then all bets are off...which Aurora hasn't done yet. I'm not trying to convince people to vote for Aurora, I just wanted to let you know where I'm coming from b/c I have them at 19.

Ice Bear feels this is a very valid point, especially in regards to the tiers within D3. Ice Bear says someone else made the good point that within even the top 10, there are two possibly three tiers, and many a good ****ing top 25 (top 15) teams have been smoked in Semi-final games.

Of course this point could be moot if that top 10 team is HIGHLY overrated which Ice doesn't think happens too often (and definitely not in this case with SJU).

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Back to full strength with all 7 voters this week.

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2021 WEEK 8 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank	Team	W-L	Points	Prev
1)	North Central (6)	7-0	174	1
2)	Mary Hardin-Baylor (1)	7-0	163	2
3)	UW-Whitewater	7-0	159	T3
4)	Mount Union	7-0	157	T3
5)	Linfield	6-0	139	T5
6)	Wheaton	6-1	137	T5
7)	St John's	7-0	135	7
8)	Delaware Valley	7-0	125	8
9)	UW-La Crosse	6-1	111	13
10)	Central	7-0	108	9
11)	Hardin-Simmons	6-1	103	12
12)	Union	7-0	98	T10
13)	Bethel	6-1	88	14
14)	Salisbury	5-1	86	15
15)	Cortland	7-0	75	T17
16)	Ithaca	7-0	73	16
17)	Susquehanna	7-0	67	T17
18)	Muhlenberg	6-1	57	19
19)	Trinity (TX)	6-0	43	T22
20)	Birmingham Southern	7-0	32	T22
21)	UW-Oshkosh	4-2	30	21
22)	Johns Hopkins	6-1	29	20
23)	Whitworth	6-1	16	24
24)	Baldwin Wallace	6-1	15	NR
T25)	John Carroll	5-2	14	25
T25)	Washington & Jefferson	6-1	14	T10

Dropped Out: None

Also Receiving Votes: Aurora 9, Hobart 6, Westminster (PA) 4, Washington & Lee 3, Randolph Macon 2, Redlands 2, Merchant Marine 1

Voters: 02 Warhawk, Captainred81, desertcat1, FANOFD3, FCGG, NCF, and Oline89