D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

HOPEful · September 26, 2022, 09:09:14 AM

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 26, 2022, 08:13:54 AM
...UWW>MHB>H-S>UWP>Bethel>SJU

But then SJU beat UWW. Not to mention all those teams have just one (D3) loss. So one or two of those teams won't make sense in the poll, considering they beat a team that'll be ranked right above them.

Ah, but a little more parity at the top is so so so much more fun, isn't it?! Add Mount, North Central, Trinity, Wheaton, Johns Hopkins, and Linfield to your list, and you have a dozen teams capable of making a run in the playoffs. Since 2000, there have only been 3 Stagg Bowls that neither Mount Union or Whitewater were a part of. One was last year and another was MHB's vacated championship in 2016. And although Mount and/or Whitewater playing in and winning the Stagg Bowl this season would surprise nobody, if neither make it, it would be the first time since 1995 that the Championship game lacked either school in back-to-back seasons.

Most years in my adult life, the question has been, "Can anyone stand in the way of Mount and Whitewater?" Whether or not they WILL is one thing, but the answer to whether or not anyone CAN is yes, about a dozen or so teams CAN. And I think that's pretty cool.

MRMIKESMITH · September 26, 2022, 10:28:42 AM

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 26, 2022, 08:13:54 AM
Yeah, this was the toughest poll I've ever done. I usually put a lot of stock into H2H matchups, but this week it formed kind of a paradox of sorts. Like FCG mentioned above.

UWW>MHB>H-S>UWP>Bethel>SJU

But then SJU beat UWW. Not to mention all those teams have just one (D3) loss. So one or two of those teams won't make sense in the poll, considering they beat a team that'll be ranked right above them.

I think injuries plays a huge part in this equation. Regardless, it is up to the coaching staffs to have contingency plans. However, we all know and have witness that teams can have players that can significantly turn a team from being good to being very good. However, I would like to mention that most of these teams listed are teams that recruit really well, but also coaches their team(s) to be able to beat opponents either via the pass and/or run. You can watch these teams 10 times and one week they may dominate either via the run or pass, sometimes both. That's what I really love about the Tier 1/Tier 1A/Tier 2 teams.

wally_wabash · September 26, 2022, 11:45:55 AM

Quote from: FANOFD3 on September 26, 2022, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 26, 2022, 08:13:54 AM
Yeah, this was the toughest poll I've ever done. I usually put a lot of stock into H2H matchups, but this week it formed kind of a paradox of sorts. Like FCG mentioned above.

UWW>MHB>H-S>UWP>Bethel>SJU

But then SJU beat UWW. Not to mention all those teams have just one (D3) loss. So one or two of those teams won't make sense in the poll, considering they beat a team that'll be ranked right above them.

I think injuries plays a huge part in this equation. Regardless, it is up to the coaching staffs to have contingency plans. However, we all know and have witness that teams can have players that can significantly turn a team from being good to being very good. However, I would like to mention that most of these teams listed are teams that recruit really well, but also coaches their team(s) to be able to beat opponents either via the pass and/or run. You can watch these teams 10 times and one week they may dominate either via the run or pass, sometimes both. That's what I really love about the Tier 1/Tier 1A/Tier 2 teams.

Sometimes though there is no contingency plan that leaves you in a space equivalent to the one you were in prior to injury. Nobody in the Division is going to go to their bench and plug in a guy that gets them anywhere close to a 0.0 WAR (that's Wins Above Roste for you advanced stats people).

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 28, 2022, 01:56:41 AM

2022 WEEK 4 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank	Team	W-L	Points	Prev
1)	North Central (5)	3-0	195	2
2)	Mount Union (1)	3-0	183	4
3)	Mary Hardin-Baylor	3-1	180	5
4)	UW-Whitewater (2)	2-1	176	3
5)	Trinity (TX)	3-0	161	7
6)	Linfield	2-0	156	8
7)	St John's	2-1	151	1
8)	Johns Hopkins	4-0	135	11
9)	UW-La Crosse	3-0	131	10
10)	Wheaton	2-1	129	9
11)	Bethel	2-1	112	25
12)	Cortland	3-0	97	12
13)	Delaware Valley	4-0	94	T14
14)	Hardin-Simmons	2-1	88	6
15)	Ithaca	3-0	84	T14
16)	UW-Oshkosh	2-1	76	16
17)	UW-River Falls	2-1	72	13
18)	Carnegie Mellon	4-0	59	17
19)	Randolph-Macon	3-0	53	18
20)	Wartburg	4-0	49	21
21)	Susquehanna	4-0	41	20
22)	Albion	4-0	39	T23
23)	George Fox	3-0	35	T23
24)	Huntingdon	3-1	28	NR
25)	DePauw	4-0	19	NR

Dropped Out: #19 Heidelberg and #22 Union

Also Receiving Votes: Case Western Reserve 13, Stevenson 10, Central 8, Ursinus 8, Utica 6, UW-Platteville 6, Union 3, Washington U 2, John Carroll 1

Voters: 02 Warhawk, Captainred81, desertcat1, FANOFD3, FCGG, HOPEful, NCF, and smedindy

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 28, 2022, 02:19:07 AM

1) North Central 195 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3)
2) Mount Union 183 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
3) Mary Hardin-Baylor 180 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7)
4) UW-Whitewater 176 ( 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 11)
5) Trinity (TX) 161 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 7, 8, 8)
6) Linfield 156 ( 3, 3, 5, 7, 7, 7, 8, 12)
7) St John's 151 ( 4, 6, 6, 6, 6, 9, 10, 10)
8) Johns Hopkins 135 ( 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 11, 12)
9) UW-La Crosse 131 ( 4, 4, 6, 7, 8, 11, 14, 23)
10) Wheaton 129 ( 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10, 11, 14)
11) Bethel 112 ( 8, 9, 10, 10, 10, 12, 15, 22)
12) Cortland 97 ( 6, 12, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 20)
13) Delaware Valley 94 (11, 13, 13, 13, 15, 15, 16, 18)
14) Hardin-Simmons 88 ( 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 17, --, --)
15) Ithaca 84 (13, 14, 14, 14, 14, 15, 18, 22)
16) UW-Oshkosh 76 (11, 12, 13, 16, 16, 16, 24, 24)
17) UW-River Falls 72 ( 7, 15, 16, 17, 17, 17, 22, 25)
18) Carnegie Mellon 59 (16, 18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 20)
19) Randolph-Macon 53 (16, 17, 18, 18, 18, 20, 22, --)
20) Wartburg 49 (13, 14, 18, 21, 22, 23, 24, 24)
21) Susquehanna 41 (17, 20, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, --)
22) Albion 39 (14, 15, 20, 21, 23, 25, 25, --)
23) George Fox 35 (15, 17, 19, 21, 24, 25, --, --)
24) Huntingdon 28 (12, 12, --, --, --, --, --, --)
25) DePauw 19 (18, 20, 23, 24, --, --, --, --)

26) Case Western Reserve 13 (19, 21, 25)
27) Stevenson 10 (19, 23)
T28) Central 8 (22, 22)
T28) Ursinus 8 (21, 24, 25)
T30) Utica 6 (23, 23)
T30) UW-Platteville 6 (21, 25)
32) Union 3 (23)
33) Washington U 2 (24)
34) John Carroll 1 (25)

D3Navy · September 28, 2022, 08:40:19 AM

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 28, 2022, 02:19:07 AM
1) North Central 195 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3)
2) Mount Union 183 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
3) Mary Hardin-Baylor 180 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7)
4) UW-Whitewater 176 ( 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 11)
5) Trinity (TX) 161 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 7, 8, 8)
6) Linfield 156 ( 3, 3, 5, 7, 7, 7, 8, 12)
7) St John's 151 ( 4, 6, 6, 6, 6, 9, 10, 10)
8) Johns Hopkins 135 ( 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 11, 12)
9) UW-La Crosse 131 ( 4, 4, 6, 7, 8, 11, 14, 23)
10) Wheaton 129 ( 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10, 11, 14)
11) Bethel 112 ( 8, 9, 10, 10, 10, 12, 15, 22)
12) Cortland 97 ( 6, 12, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 20)
13) Delaware Valley 94 (11, 13, 13, 13, 15, 15, 16, 18)
14) Hardin-Simmons 88 ( 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 17, --, --)
15) Ithaca 84 (13, 14, 14, 14, 14, 15, 18, 22)
16) UW-Oshkosh 76 (11, 12, 13, 16, 16, 16, 24, 24)
17) UW-River Falls 72 ( 7, 15, 16, 17, 17, 17, 22, 25)
18) Carnegie Mellon 59 (16, 18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 20)
19) Randolph-Macon 53 (16, 17, 18, 18, 18, 20, 22, --)
20) Wartburg 49 (13, 14, 18, 21, 22, 23, 24, 24)
21) Susquehanna 41 (17, 20, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, --)
22) Albion 39 (14, 15, 20, 21, 23, 25, 25, --)
23) George Fox 35 (15, 17, 19, 21, 24, 25, --, --)
24) Huntingdon 28 (12, 12, --, --, --, --, --, --)
25) DePauw 19 (18, 20, 23, 24, --, --, --, --)

26) Case Western Reserve 13 (19, 21, 25)
27) Stevenson 10 (19, 23)
T28) Central 8 (22, 22)
T28) Ursinus 8 (21, 24, 25)
T30) Utica 6 (23, 23)
T30) UW-Platteville 6 (21, 25)
32) Union 3 (23)
33) Washington U 2 (24)
34) John Carroll 1 (25)

UWW has a loss and close win over unranked Berry yet received a 1st place vote and remains top 5. I see one voter has them as ranked #11. That seems reasonable. Am I missing something?

02 Warhawk · September 28, 2022, 08:54:46 AM

Quote from: D3Navy on September 28, 2022, 08:40:19 AM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 28, 2022, 02:19:07 AM
1) North Central 195 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3)
2) Mount Union 183 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
3) Mary Hardin-Baylor 180 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7)
4) UW-Whitewater 176 ( 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 11)
5) Trinity (TX) 161 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 7, 8, 8)
6) Linfield 156 ( 3, 3, 5, 7, 7, 7, 8, 12)
7) St John's 151 ( 4, 6, 6, 6, 6, 9, 10, 10)
8) Johns Hopkins 135 ( 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 11, 12)
9) UW-La Crosse 131 ( 4, 4, 6, 7, 8, 11, 14, 23)
10) Wheaton 129 ( 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10, 11, 14)
11) Bethel 112 ( 8, 9, 10, 10, 10, 12, 15, 22)
12) Cortland 97 ( 6, 12, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 20)
13) Delaware Valley 94 (11, 13, 13, 13, 15, 15, 16, 18)
14) Hardin-Simmons 88 ( 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 17, --, --)
15) Ithaca 84 (13, 14, 14, 14, 14, 15, 18, 22)
16) UW-Oshkosh 76 (11, 12, 13, 16, 16, 16, 24, 24)
17) UW-River Falls 72 ( 7, 15, 16, 17, 17, 17, 22, 25)
18) Carnegie Mellon 59 (16, 18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 20)
19) Randolph-Macon 53 (16, 17, 18, 18, 18, 20, 22, --)
20) Wartburg 49 (13, 14, 18, 21, 22, 23, 24, 24)
21) Susquehanna 41 (17, 20, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, --)
22) Albion 39 (14, 15, 20, 21, 23, 25, 25, --)
23) George Fox 35 (15, 17, 19, 21, 24, 25, --, --)
24) Huntingdon 28 (12, 12, --, --, --, --, --, --)
25) DePauw 19 (18, 20, 23, 24, --, --, --, --)

26) Case Western Reserve 13 (19, 21, 25)
27) Stevenson 10 (19, 23)
T28) Central 8 (22, 22)
T28) Ursinus 8 (21, 24, 25)
T30) Utica 6 (23, 23)
T30) UW-Platteville 6 (21, 25)
32) Union 3 (23)
33) Washington U 2 (24)
34) John Carroll 1 (25)

UWW has a loss and close win over unranked Berry yet received a 1st place vote and remains top 5. I see one voter has them as ranked #11. That seems reasonable. Am I missing something?

Knocking off the #1 team in the country, and the defending national champs, who is currently ranked ahead of them at #3.

colinsteinke · September 28, 2022, 10:40:58 AM

....this isn't even the homer in me....but who put UWW at #11?!

02 Warhawk · September 28, 2022, 10:56:46 AM

I have very good guess who

colinsteinke · September 28, 2022, 11:16:07 AM

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 28, 2022, 10:56:46 AM
I have very good guess who

YOU DID NOT

02 Warhawk · September 28, 2022, 11:20:23 AM

lol...No, I'm not talking about me.

I had them 5th

smedindy · September 28, 2022, 01:31:20 PM

I had them at 3. Clarity is needed outside of North Central and Mt. Union.

We may get clarity Saturday.

FCGrizzliesGrad · October 05, 2022, 06:11:50 AM

2022 WEEK 5 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank	Team	W-L	Points	Prev
1)	North Central (5)	4-0	195	1
2)	UW-Whitewater (2)	3-1	183	4
3)	Mount Union (1)	4-0	179	2
4)	Mary Hardin-Baylor	4-1	177	3
5)	Trinity (TX)	4-0	160	5
6)	St John's	3-1	155	7
7)	Linfield	3-0	154	6
T8)	Johns Hopkins	5-0	136	8
T8)	UW-La Crosse	3-1	136	9
10)	Bethel	3-1	124	11
11)	Hardin-Simmons	3-1	118	14
12)	Cortland	4-0	102	12
13)	Delaware Valley	5-0	96	13
14)	Ithaca	4-0	94	15
15)	Wheaton	2-2	92	10
16)	UW-Oshkosh	3-1	86	16
17)	UW-River Falls	3-1	83	17
18)	Carnegie Mellon	5-0	59	18
19)	Wartburg	5-0	55	20
20)	Randolph-Macon	4-0	54	19
21)	Susquehanna	5-0	40	21
22)	Albion	5-0	38	22
23)	Huntingdon	4-1	28	24
24)	DePauw	5-0	26	25
25)	Central	3-1	8	NR

Dropped Out: #23 George Fox

Also Receiving Votes: Mount St Joseph 4, Washington U 4, Alma 3, Chicago 3, Utica 3, Birmingham-Southern 1, Endicott 1, Grove City 1, John Carroll 1, UW-Stout 1

Voters: 02 Warhawk, Captainred81, desertcat1, FCGG, HOPEful, MRMIKESMITH, NCF, and smedindy

FCGrizzliesGrad · October 05, 2022, 06:38:22 AM

1) North Central 195 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3)
2) UW-Whitewater 183 ( 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 7)
3) Mount Union 179 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7)
4) Mary Hardin-Baylor 177 ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 8)
5) Trinity (TX) 160 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 8, 8, 8)
6) St John's 155 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 9, 10)
7) Linfield 154 ( 3, 3, 5, 7, 7, 8, 10, 11)
T8) Johns Hopkins 136 ( 5, 7, 9, 9, 10, 10, 11, 11)
T8) UW-La Crosse 136 ( 4, 6, 6, 7, 8, 10, 10, 21)
10) Bethel 124 ( 3, 9, 9, 9, 11, 11, 15, 17)
11) Hardin-Simmons 118 ( 8, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16)
12) Cortland 102 ( 6, 12, 12, 12, 12, 15, 18, 19)
13) Delaware Valley 96 (11, 12, 13, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18)
14) Ithaca 94 (11, 13, 13, 14, 14, 14, 15, 20)
15) Wheaton 92 ( 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 14, 18, --)
16) UW-Oshkosh 86 (12, 13, 15, 16, 16, 16, 17, 17)
17) UW-River Falls 83 ( 7, 15, 16, 17, 17, 17, 18, 18)
18) Carnegie Mellon 59 (15, 17, 18, 19, 19, 19, 20, 22)
19) Wartburg 55 (13, 16, 19, 20, 20, 20, 21, 24)
20) Randolph-Macon 54 (14, 16, 17, 18, 21, 21, 21, --)
21) Susquehanna 40 (19, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, 22, 23)
22) Albion 38 (15, 19, 21, 22, 22, 23, 24, 24)
23) Huntingdon 28 (11, 19, 24, 24, 25, 25, --, --)
24) DePauw 26 (18, 20, 22, 23, 23, 24, --, --)
25) Central 8 (22, 24, 24, --, --, --, --, --)

T26) Mount St Joseph 4 (22)
T26) Washington U 4 (23, 25)
T28) Alma 3 (23)
T28) Chicago 3 (23)
T28) Utica 3 (23)
T31) Birmingham-Southern 1 (25)
T31) Endicott 1 (25)
T31) Grove City 1 (25)
T31) John Carroll 1 (25)
T31) UW-Stout 1 (25)

bleedpurple · October 05, 2022, 10:09:45 AM

I know they haven't played anyone near Top 25 caliber, but I have a feeling Wash U might be a sleeper this year.