D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

[seventiesraider]

Great Seventies, you just revealed where al 12 of Willamette's points came from!  

Or more importantly, totally skunked the NCAC and UAA.

If you're going to get all dramatic and completely drop Wittenburg out of the poll for "non-impressive wins" (I agree they aren't Top 10, but not Top 25?), shouldn't you have also dinged Mount Union significantly for struggling against the always pitiful Marietta?

I can't argue with that because I think there are some in the top five that would give Mount a game, but at least I didn't use that to justify BW. Witt, Wabash and Case were all on the list in the beginning (no so B-W)but ended up in a group of seven that got pushed out of the list. At least you can't accuse me of including them because they are Ohio related

If you have a week or two I'll explain my numbers but please start by looking where Witt is in strength of schedule (Not that Mount is very high either). The inter conference games between Wooster-BW and Case Western and JCU while impressive at the time really now shine some light on things.

But I am totally guilty of using the old tyme method of placing 1 and 2

And I ranked Wittenberg about nine places lower than HSCoach, but still in the top 32

[smedindy]

How I ranked 'em:

1. UW - Whitewater
2. Mt. Union
3. Wesley
4. North Central
5. St. Thomas
6. Mary Hardin - Baylor
7. Wartburg
8. Wheaton
9. Hardin - Simmons
10. St. John Fisher
11. Wittenberg
12. Delaware Valley
13. Ohio Northern
14. Montclair St.
15. Bethel
16. Linfield
17. Thomas More
18. Pacific Litheran
19. Hampden - Sydney
20. Central (IA)
21. Coe
22. Ursinus
23. Wabash
24. DePauw
25. Trine

[usee]

I have been enduring Seventies posts for years on these boards. I am telling you I could have submitted his ballot for him based on his stated views on the various regions, conferences and teams over the years. It can't have anything to do with current reality. Remember, his name ain't seventies because he's young!! 

[bleedpurple]

A few tabulation tidbits about the first Top 25 Fan Poll:

Fan Favorite:  Wheaton College was the team with the most variance UPWARD as compared to the D3football.com poll. (14,17)

Over-rated? Coe was the team with the most variance DOWNWARD as compared to the D3football.come poll. (19,16)

Ballot Variance: Two Pollsters ranked Wittenberg at 5. One left them off the ballot entirely. St. John Fisher was listed as high as 6 on one ballot and was left off another.  

Faker's Dozen: Although Thomas More was ranked 12th, no pollster actually ranked them 12th.  

[Kohawk Krazy]

I find it interesting how many people had Central ranked ahead of Coe, despite beating them 37-28.

[theoriginalupstate]

A few tabulation tidbits about the first Top 25 Fan Poll:

Fan Favorite:  Wheaton College was the team with the most variance UPWARD as compared to the D3football.com poll. (14,17)

Over-rated? Coe was the team with the most variance DOWNWARD as compared to the D3football.come poll. (19,16)

Ballot Variance: Two Pollsters ranked Wittenberg at 5. One left them off the ballot entirely. St. John Fisher was listed as high as 6 on one ballot and was left off another.  

Faker's Dozen: Although Thomas More was ranked 12th, no pollster actually ranked them 12th.  

Fisher at 6???

WOW

[altor]

Fisher at 6???

WOW

Peter Wolfe has SJF at #2 in D-III.
Dave Rothman has them at #5.
Massey has them at 7.
My computer (which only takes results between two D-III's into account) has them at 3.

There's something the computers see there that not many humans do.

[bleedpurple]

I find it interesting how many people had Central ranked ahead of Coe, despite beating them 37-28.

Although Coe ranked a spot higher on the poll and by a pretty significant margin of 24 points.

[bleedpurple]

Fisher at 6???

WOW

Peter Wolfe has SJF at #2 in D-III.
Dave Rothman has them at #5.
Massey has them at 7.
My computer (which only takes results between two D-III's into account) has them at 3.

There's something the computers see there that not many humans do.

Or is there something football loving humans can see that computers cannot??   

[altor]

Or is there something football loving humans can see that computers cannot??   

I don't mean to get into a human vs. computer debate.  I've done it to death.  Nobody gets convinced.

My point was that a vote for SJF at #6 was not entirely without substance.  Your point must be that such a vote did not come from a football loving human?

[theoriginalupstate]

Or is there something football loving humans can see that computers cannot??   

I don't mean to get into a human vs. computer debate.  I've done it to death.  Nobody gets convinced.

My point was that a vote for SJF at #6 was not entirely without substance.  Your point must be that such a vote did not come from a football loving human?

I'm a SJF alum and I don't even think they're #6...

That's just me though...

[Ralph Turner]

Or is there something football loving humans can see that computers cannot??   

I don't mean to get into a human vs. computer debate.  I've done it to death.  Nobody gets convinced.

My point was that a vote for SJF at #6 was not entirely without substance.  Your point must be that such a vote did not come from a football loving human?

I'm a SJF alum and I don't even think they're #6...

That's just me though...

SJF at #6? 

It is very simple to explain...

East Coast Bias.              

[usee]

Well I'm a Wheaton alum and I don't think they are top 10 like many of my fellow pollsters. I had them at 18 and thought that may have been high. It always depends on your perspective. I have a high view of St John Fish but could only jusify them at 16. We will know a lot more in the next 3 weeks as they face Alfred and then 2 weeks later Springfield (who has been on my radar as well).

[theoriginalupstate]

Well I'm a Wheaton alum and I don't think they are top 10 like many of my fellow pollsters. I had them at 18 and thought that may have been high. It always depends on your perspective. I have a high view of St John Fish but could only jusify them at 16. We will know a lot more in the next 3 weeks as they face Alfred and then 2 weeks later Springfield (who has been on my radar as well).

Eh, Springfield doesn't do anything for me.  They're a one trick pony that SJF has solved.  It's Alfred that scares the crap out of me tomorrow...

[CardinalAlum]

Here's mine:

1. UW-W
2. Mt. Union
3. Wesley
4. St. Thomas
5. Mary Hardin Baylor
6. North Central
7. Ohio Northern
8. Hardin Simmons
9. Wittenberg
10. Linfield
11. Delaware Valley
12. Montclair State
13. Thomas More
14. Wheaton
15. St. John Fisher
16. Trine
17. Bethel
18. Hampden-Sydney
19. Pacific Lutheran
20. Cal Lutheran
21. Wabash
22. Wartburg
23. Coe
24. Central
25. Franklin