D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

2012 WEEK 7 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank         Team                                Points   Prev Rank
  1)   Mount Union (6)          174     1
  2)   Mary Hardin-Baylor (1)   169     2
  3)   Linfield                 157     3
  4)   St Thomas                155     4
  5)   Wesley                   148     5
  6)   UW-Whitewater            136     7
  7)   Salisbury                135     6
  8)   UW-Oshkosh               116    11
  9)   Cal Lutheran             115     8
10)   North Central            114    10
T11)   Hobart                    88    14
T11)   Wabash                    88    15
13)   Illinois Wesleyan         81    17
14)   Johns Hopkins             68    23
15)   Heidelberg                64   T19
16)   Bethel                    63     9
17)   Widener                   61    18
18)   Huntingdon                42    24
19)   UW Platteville            39    12
T20)   Franklin                  34    22
T20)   Rowan                     34    NR
22)   Willamette                31    NR
23)   Alfred                    26    NR
24)   Coe                       25    NR
25)   Concordia-Moorhead        22    NR

Dropped Out: St John Fisher, Birmingham-Southern, Wheaton, Louisiana College, Otterbein

Also Receiving Votes: Salve Regina (18), St John Fisher (17), Waynesburg (11), Wittenberg (9), Delaware Valley (8), Washington & Lee (8), Birmingham-Southern (6), Louisiana College (4), Elmhurst (4), Augsburg (3), Wheaton (2)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, bleedpurple, FCGrizzliesGrad, hazzben, newcardfan, short, smedindy

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

2012 WEEK 8 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank         Team                                Points   Prev Rank
  1)   Mount Union (7)          199     1
  2)   Mary Hardin-Baylor (1)   193     2
  3)   Linfield                 180     3
  4)   St Thomas                177     4
  5)   Wesley                   168     5
  6)   UW-Oshkosh               158     8
  7)   Salisbury                153     7
  8)   Cal Lutheran             139     9
  9)   North Central            135    10
10)   Hobart                   118   T11
11)   Wabash                   114   T11
12)   Bethel                    91    16
13)   Johns Hopkins             84    14
14)   UW-Whitewater             82     6
15)   Widener                   80    17
16)   Heidelberg                79    15
17)   Huntingdon                69    18
18)   UW Platteville            57    19
19)   Coe                       56    24
20)   Franklin                  49   T20
21)   Illinois Wesleyan         41    13
22)   Concordia-Moorhead        34    25
23)   Waynesburg                19    NR
T24)   Willamette                15    22
T24)   Cortland St               15    NR
T24)   St John Fisher            15    NR

Dropped Out: Alfred, Rowan

Also Receiving Votes: Wittenberg (13),  Alfred (11), Elmhurst (11), Rowan (11), Delaware Valley (9), Louisiana College (9), Millsaps (5), Wheaton (5), Ohio Wesleyan (3), Pacific Lutheran (3) 

Voters: 02 Warhawk, bleedpurple, FCGrizzliesGrad, Ghostbuster, hazzben, newcardfan, short, smedindy

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

I haven't showed where each team placed on the ballots for a few weeks now. Here's the results... 36 teams on at least 1 ballot, 32 teams on multiple ballots, 17 teams on all eight ballots

  1)   Mount Union         199  ( 1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  2)
  2)   Mary Hardin-Baylor  193  ( 1,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2)
  3)   Linfield            180  ( 3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  4,  4,  5)
  4)   St Thomas           177  ( 3,  3,  4,  4,  4,  4,  4,  5)
  5)   Wesley              168  ( 3,  4,  5,  5,  5,  5,  6,  7)
  6)   UW-Oshkosh          158  ( 5,  5,  6,  6,  7,  7,  7,  7)
  7)   Salisbury           153  ( 6,  6,  6,  6,  7,  7,  8,  9)
  8)   Cal Lutheran        139  ( 6,  7,  8,  8,  9,  9,  9, 13)
  9)   North Central       135  ( 8,  8,  8,  9, 10, 10, 10, 10)
10)   Hobart              118  ( 8,  9,  9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 16)
11)   Wabash              114  (10, 11, 11, 11, 12, 12, 13, 14)
12)   Bethel               91  (11, 12, 12, 13, 13, 18, 18, 20)
13)   Johns Hopkins        84  ( 8, 12, 14, 16, 16, 17, 20, 21)
14)   UW-Whitewater        82  (11, 11, 14, 15, 15, 16, 18, --)
15)   Widener              80  (11, 12, 14, 15, 15, 17, 21, 23)
16)   Heidelberg           79  ( 9, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 24, --)
17)   Huntingdon           69  (13, 13, 16, 17, 19, 20, 20, 21)
18)   UW-Platteville       57  (13, 17, 17, 19, 20, 20, 21, 24)
19)   Coe                  56  (14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 22, 22, 25)
20)   Franklin             49  (10, 14, 18, 18, 21, --, --, --)
21)   Illinois Wesleyan    41  (19, 19, 19, 20, 20, 21, 23, --)
22)   Concordia-Moorhead   34  (15, 16, 19, 22, 24, --. --. --)
23)   Waynesburg           19  (12, 22, 25, --, --, --, --, --)
T24)   Willamette           15  (15, 22, --, --, --, --, --, --)
T24)   Cortland St          15  (17, 23, 25, 25, 25, --, --. --)
T24)   St John Fisher       15  (18, 22, 23, --, --, --, --, --)

27)   Wittenberg           13  (16, 23)
T28)   Alfred               11  (19, 22)
T28)   Elmhurst             11  (21, 23, 24, 25)
T28)   Rowan                11  (15)
T31)   Delaware Valley       9  (17)
T31)   Louisiana College     9  (22, 23, 24)
T33)   Millsaps              5  (21)
T33)   Wheaton               5  (24, 24, 25)
T35)   Ohio Wesleyan         3  (24, 25)
T35)   Pacific Lutheran      3  (23)

[NCF]

Thanks for doing this. The top 10 is looking good, We'll see what this week-end  brings.

[SUADC]

Thanks for doing this. The top 10 is looking good, We'll see what this week-end  brings.

I agree +K FCGrizzliesGrad

[AUKaz00]

We've had this conversation on the E8 board this week in reference to the site's Top 25 - interested in why voters have Fisher ranked higher than Alfred after a H2H result that is contrary, similar results against Salisbury, and large difference in results against Ithaca.  Not that it matters more than window dressing since both are staring at ECAC bids for any postseason action.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

We've had this conversation on the E8 board this week in reference to the site's Top 25 - interested in why voters have Fisher ranked higher than Alfred after a H2H result that is contrary, similar results against Salisbury, and large difference in results against Ithaca.  Not that it matters more than window dressing since both are staring at ECAC bids for any postseason action.

Looking at the ballots, 4 had neither, 2 had SJF but not Alfred, I had Alfred but not SJF, and 1 had both with Alfred being higher.
With each being on so few ballots it's difficult to get a consensus on who people think are better as opposed to say UWW vs UWP who are higher up in the polls. I also think part of it is that SJF started off the season 11th in this poll while Alfred didn't even receive a vote until they beat SJF then lost the next week. It's usually tough to work your way up the poll when you start off under the radar rather than if you're already high up there.

[HScoach]

We've had this conversation on the E8 board this week in reference to the site's Top 25 - interested in why voters have Fisher ranked higher than Alfred after a H2H result that is contrary, similar results against Salisbury, and large difference in results against Ithaca.  Not that it matters more than window dressing since both are staring at ECAC bids for any postseason action.

Polls have more to do with expectations than actual results. 

Whitewater was expected to be a national title contender.  So even with a bad home loss to a barely average Buff State team, they remain pretty high after losing to Oshkosh.   

SJF was expected to be better than Alfred, so the later Alfred loss makes their win over SJF look questionable.

[AUKaz00]

We've had this conversation on the E8 board this week in reference to the site's Top 25 - interested in why voters have Fisher ranked higher than Alfred after a H2H result that is contrary, similar results against Salisbury, and large difference in results against Ithaca.  Not that it matters more than window dressing since both are staring at ECAC bids for any postseason action.

Polls have more to do with expectations than actual results. 

Whitewater was expected to be a national title contender.  So even with a bad home loss to a barely average Buff State team, they remain pretty high after losing to Oshkosh.   

SJF was expected to be better than Alfred, so the later Alfred loss makes their win over SJF look questionable.

I agree, coach.  That's the way I fill out my East Region Fan Poll ballot - expectations.  But, in this case I think the results against common opponents would change expectations.  Salisbury beat Fisher by 11 in Pittsford, Alfred by 3 at home.  Fisher beat Ithaca by 4, Alfred over Ithaca by 24.  And then there's the 13 point H2H result.  Just peculiar.

[desertcat1]

how can you boys put Willamette  ahead of PLU who beat the bearkitties already and have a much higher SOS .. PLU # 2 at .700 and the bearkitties #27 at .594?     Just wait until tomorrow if the numbers are ture?   

[02 Warhawk]

how can you boys put Willamette  ahead of PLU who beat the bearkitties already and have a much higher SOS .. PLU # 2 at .700 and the bearkitties #27 at .594?     Just wait until tomorrow if the numbers are ture?   

They didn't get a point from me

[smedindy]

how can you boys put Willamette  ahead of PLU who beat the bearkitties already and have a much higher SOS .. PLU # 2 at .700 and the bearkitties #27 at .594?     Just wait until tomorrow if the numbers are ture?   

Of course, that was just a couple of pollsters, since only two had Willamette in their poll and only one PLU and people weigh H2H results with different lenses.

[desertcat1]

it was just a question ?

thanks boys , i forget it's east coast west coast too.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

You're always welcome to join in and submit your own ballot for the poll. Can never have too many pollsters

[desertcat1]

FCGG<  ,thanks for the invite.   but,  do you really want a serial smiter to join your group who would that look to the guru?