D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

[bleedpurple]

I don't mean to call out one pollster because I REALLY appreciate you guys taking the time to do this each week.  But I have a hard time understanding either the Fan poll pollster or the D3football.com pollster(s) who listed Ursinus in their top25.  While they are 5-0, they just gave up 44 points to 0-5 Moravian College, a team that had not scored more than 14 points in any of their previous four games. In that game, Ursinus gave up 8.0 yards per carry rushing. And Moravian rushed 41 times!  While I am admit to having a WIAC bias, I believe Stevens Point (0 votes) would beat Ursinus a lot to a little.   Again, not trying to rip anyone. If any of you have Ursinus on your radar, I'd be interested in hearing the supporting data on their behalf.

[02 Warhawk]

If the pollster would come forward I'm sure they would say something along the lines of: Ursinus SOS rank is 136, while Stevens Point is 183. Besides the NCC game, UWSP has played some weak teams.

[D3MAFAN]

If the pollster would come forward I'm sure they would say something along the lines of: Ursinus SOS rank is 136, while Stevens Point is 183. Besides the NCC game, UWSP has played some weak teams.

I can't say that I voted for them, but they did beat two teams that they had lost to last year that I had them losing to in the begining of the season, that is both Franklin & Marshall and Gettysburg. As for ranking them above UW-Stevens Point, as Warhawk pointed out, SOS at this point speaks for itself. Also, to say that UW-Stevens Point would beat Ursinus by a lot is all opionated since we really have nothing to compare the two. For me personally, I have played enough games collegiately to know that sometimes a team could be overlooking an opponent or the opponent could be hitting on all cylinders on that given day and sometimes it comes down to matchups. As for Stevens-Point, they currently have three teams with no wins that they have played.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Interesting that we have consensus on 20 of the 25 teams, and almost full consensus on two additional teams.

This poll seems stable...almost TOO stable...

That will change in coming weeks.  By coincidence(?), several conference schedules are extremely back-loaded this year (esp. OAC, CCIW, and WIAC); the 'big dogs' have been feasting on the also-rans, but go head-to-head soon.

Tomorrow is guaranteed to shake-up the poll a bit.  Three big games, and perhaps five (though most of the top teams are still in 'feast on the also-rans' mode).

The biggie, of course, is #11 St. Thomas @ #5 Bethel.  Others from our top 25 include t24 Pacific @ #18 Pac Lu (though I think it's a blow-out for Pac Lu) and #19 SJF @ #t26 Salisbury (which oughta be a barn-burner).  Two others may figure in: Dubuque @ #20 Coe (I really think that's a toss-up) and #6 UW-Platteville @ UWSP (I am picking UWSP).

Beyond those five games, any loss by a top 25 team would IMO be a HUGE upset.

[smedindy]

Lots of shuffling on my ballot, and not just from teams that lost. I majorly upgraded John Carroll and some stayed flat even with others losing above them.

[D3MAFAN]

Lots of shuffling on my ballot, and not just from teams that lost. I majorly upgraded John Carroll and some stayed flat even with others losing above them.

Agreed! I think the D3 pollster are going to have handful as well, you have some good teams with two losses and a good amount of quality teams with only one loss. It was really tough for me last night to do my ballot. I watch a quite a few games yesterday for some teams against quality opponents, and was impress with some and saw some flaws for others that help me distinguish as well.

[WarhawkDad]

When will the next ranking be posted?

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

As soon as I hear back from one more person about an oversight on their ballot

[02 Warhawk]

As soon as I hear back from one more person about an oversight on their ballot

For the last time, it's not an oversight. I purposely put Linfield ahead of Mount.

      

[desertcat1]

guess who screwed up .. sorry boys..    Life got in the way this time.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Sorry for the delay but I like to make sure everyone's ballots are accurate and aren't missing someone they didn't intend to omit. Had two cases this week to check on.


2013 WEEK 7 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank         Team                      Points   Prev Rank
  1)   Mount Union (6)       174     1
  2)   Linfield (1)          167     2
  3)   Mary Hardin-Baylor    163     3
  4)   North Central         148     4
  5)   Bethel                147     5
  6)   Hobart                130     7
  7)   UW-Whitewater         129     8
  8)   UW Platteville        128     6
  9)   Franklin              117    10
10)   UW-Oshkosh            110    12
11)   Johns Hopkins         100   T14
12)   Wabash                 96   T14
13)   Wheaton                89    16
14)   Heidelberg             81    13
15)   John Carroll           73    21
16)   Wittenberg             69    17
T17)   Pacific Lutheran       58    18
T17)   St Thomas              58    11
19)   Wesley                 52     9
20)   Willamette             41    22
21)   Illinois Wesleyan      35    23
22)   Salisbury              23    NR
23)   Concordia-Moorhead     22   T24
24)   St John's              19    NR
25)   Lebanon Valley         11    NR
   

Dropped Out: St John Fisher, Coe, Pacific

Also Receiving Votes: Illinois College (9), St John Fisher (8), Millsaps (5), Hampden-Sydney (4), Pacific (3), Wartburg (3), Rowan (2), Delaware Valley (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, and smedindy   

[D3MAFAN]

D3 has a nice article on the front page that breaks down the D3Football Top 25 wins against opponents with a winning percentage, .500, and losing percentage. I wonder how ours matches up.

[02 Warhawk]

It should be an interesting poll this week. I switched up my top 10 a little. I always had UWP at #4, but I've come to realize they don't have a top 4 team defense, so I dropped them down a spot this week. Also, with UWW winning in UWO, I bumped UWW past Hobart in my poll*.

With IL-Wesleyan and Pacific Lutheran winning against ranked teams, I bumped them up past Johns Hopkins. I dropped JH three spots even though they won. I don't like doing that, but other teams around JH are beating tougher opponents than they are right now. So I rewarded teams like IL-W and PL for the tougher wins.

*For the record, I filled out my top 25 before looking at D3football's top 25 ranking. I do that so I don't get any outside influence in my poll.

[D3MAFAN]

It should be an interesting poll this week. I switched up my top 10 a little. I always had UWP at #4, but I've come to realize they don't have a top 4 team defense, so I dropped them down a spot this week. Also, with UWW winning in UWO, I bumped UWW past Hobart in my poll*.

With IL-Wesleyan and Pacific Lutheran winning against ranked teams, I bumped them up past Johns Hopkins. I dropped JH three spots even though they won. I don't like doing that, but other teams around JH are beating tougher opponents than they are right now. So I rewarded teams like IL-W and PL for the tougher wins.

*For the record, I filled out my top 25 before looking at D3football's top 25 ranking. I do that so I don't get any outside influence in my poll.

I had a chance to watch a few games from different regions and actually stayed up and watch the Redlands vs. Chapman game. I think my biggest move was Illinois Wesleyan. I moved some teams for the South Region and East Region that I felt based on the numerous games I watch into the bottom half of my Top 25.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

It's nice to have all the ballots in and all issues taken care of and it's still only Monday

2013 WEEK 8 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank         Team                    Points   Prev Rank
1)   Mount Union (6)       174     1
2)   Linfield (1)          167     2
3)   Mary Hardin-Baylor    163     3
T4)   Bethel                148     5
T4)   North Central         148     4
6)   UW-Whitewater         133     7
7)   Hobart                131     6
8)   UW Platteville        128     8
9)   Franklin              122     9
10)   Wabash                100    12
11)   Johns Hopkins          99    11
12)   UW-Oshkosh             96    10
13)   Heidelberg             82    14
14)   John Carroll           79    15
15)   Illinois Wesleyan      77    21
16)   Wittenberg             76    16
17)   Pacific Lutheran       62   T17
18)   St Thomas              57   T17
19)   Wheaton                52    13
20)   Wesley                 51    19
21)   Concordia-Moorhead     30    23
22)   Salisbury              27    22
23)   St John's              23    24
24)   Illinois College       10    NR
25)   Willamette              9    20

Dropped Out: Lebanon Valley

Also Receiving Votes: Ithaca (8), Millsaps (5), Wartburg (5), Lebanon Valley (4), Pacific (4), Rowan (3), Maryville (1), Texas Lutheran (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, and smedindy