D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 15, 2014, 11:34:30 PM

1) UW-Whitewater 250 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) Mary Hardin-Baylor 235 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
3) Mount Union 233 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4)
4) Wesley 213 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 8)
5) Linfield 209 ( 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7)
6) North Central 205 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)
7) St John Fisher 185 ( 5, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)
8) UW Platteville 181 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 10, 10)
9) Wartburg 166 ( 6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 15)
10) John Carroll 147 ( 9, 9, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 12, 13, 15)
11) Wabash 140 ( 8, 9, 9, 11, 12, 13, 13, 14, 15, 16)
12) St Thomas 132 ( 9, 10, 11, 12, 12, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18)
13) Hobart 113 ( 9, 11, 12, 13, 13, 15, 15, 16, 17, --)
14) Johns Hopkins 108 (10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 15, 16, 20, --)
15) Pacific Lutheran 100 (10, 11, 14, 16, 16, 16, 17, 18, 21, 21)
16) Wittenberg 93 (10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, --, --)
17) Bethel 88 (12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 16, 17, 17, --, --)
18) Heidelberg 84 (14, 14, 14, 17, 17, 18, 18, 19, 19, --)
19) Illinois Wesleyan 63 (15, 17, 18, 19, 19, 21, 21, 21, 22, 24)
20) Wheaton 54 (12, 20, 20, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, 24, --)
21) Thomas More 43 (13, 18, 18, 18, 22, 24, --, --, --, --)
22) Ithaca 38 (19, 19, 20, 20, 22, 23, 23, 24, --, --)
23) Widener 31 (16, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, --, --, --)
24) Lycoming 27 (18, 22, 23, 23, 23, 23, 24, 25, --, --)
25) Hampden-Sydney 25 (19, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25, 25, 25, --, --)

26) Concordia-Moorhead 23 (19. 19. 21. 22)
27) St John's 19 (17. 20. 23. 25)
28) Wash & Jeff 16 (14. 22)
29) Muhlenberg 11 (21. 22. 24)
30) Franklin 7 (19)
31) Baldwin Wallace 3 (23)
T32) Adrian 2 (24)
T32) Willamette 2 (24)
T34) Chapman 1 (25)
T34) Rhodes 1 (25)
T34) Salisbury 1 (25)
T34) Texas Lutheran 1 (25)

Mr. Ypsi · September 16, 2014, 05:01:44 PM

FWIW, my ballot:

1) UW-Whitewater 250 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) Mary Hardin-Baylor 235 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
3) Mount Union 233 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4)
4) Wesley 213 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 8)
5) Linfield 209 ( 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7)
6) North Central 205 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)
7) St John Fisher 185 ( 5, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)
8) UW Platteville 181 ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 10, 10)
9) Wartburg 166 ( 6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 15)
10) John Carroll 147 ( 9, 9, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 12, 13, 15)
11) Wabash 140 ( 8, 9, 9, 11, 12, 13, 13, 14, 15, 16)
12) St Thomas 132 ( 9, 10, 11, 12, 12, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18)
13) Hobart 113 ( 9, 11, 12, 13, 13, 15, 15, 16, 17, --)
14) Johns Hopkins 108 (10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 15, 16, 20, --)
15) Pacific Lutheran 100 (10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, --, --) [I had Pac Lu at #21]
16) Wittenberg 93 (10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, --, --)
17) Bethel 88 (12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 16, 17, 17, --, --)
18) Heidelberg 84 (14, 14, 14, 17, 17, 18, 18, 19, 19, --)
19) Illinois Wesleyan 63 (15, 17, 18, 19, 19, 21, 21, 21, 22, 24)
20) Wheaton 54 (12, 20, 20, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, 24, --)
21) Thomas More 43 (13, 18, 18, 18, 22, 24, --, --, --, --)
22) Ithaca 38 (19, 19, 20, 20, 22, 23, 23, 24, --, --)
23) Widener 31 (16, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, --, --, --)
24) Lycoming 27 (18, 22, 23, 23, 23, 23, 24, 25, --, --)
25) Hampden-Sydney 25 (19, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25, 25, 25, --, --)

26) Concordia-Moorhead 23 (19. 19. 21. 22)
27) St John's 19 (17. 20. 23. 25)
28) Wash & Jeff 16 (14. 22)
29) Muhlenberg 11 (21. 22. 24)
30) Franklin 7 (19)
31) Baldwin Wallace 3 (23)
T32) Adrian 2 (24)
T32) Willamette 2 (24)
T34) Chapman 1 (25)
T34) Rhodes 1 (25)
T34) Salisbury 1 (25)
T34) Texas Lutheran 1 (25)
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FCGrizzliesGrad · September 16, 2014, 05:08:07 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 16, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
15) Pacific Lutheran 100 (10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, --, --) [I had Pac Lu at #21]

Fixed. I had Witt's votes on PLU.

desertcat1 · September 19, 2014, 11:10:30 AM

PLU is better than the east coasters know?

..

credit where credit is due? maybe ?

good job FCG.. nothing gets by you ..

02 Warhawk · September 22, 2014, 03:00:24 PM

Things are heating up...looks like a good debate is brewing on why teams should be ranked where they are.

desertcat1 · September 22, 2014, 03:53:23 PM

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 16, 2014, 05:08:07 PM
[quote author=Mr. Ypsi link=topic=7065.msg1606358#msg1606358 date=1410901304]
15) Pacific Lutheran 100 (10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, --, --) [I had Pac Lu at #21]

Fixed. I had Witt's votes on PLU.
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east coaster MR . Y 21 c'mon man?

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FCGrizzliesGrad · September 23, 2014, 05:36:54 PM

2014 WEEK 3 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank Team Points Prev
1) UW-Whitewater (10) 250 1
T2) Mary Hardin-Baylor 234 2
T2) Mount Union 234 3
4) Wesley 213 4
5) Linfield 209 5
6) North Central 205 6
7) St John Fisher 190 7
8) John Carroll 170 10
9) Wartburg 167 9
10) Wabash 150 11
11) St Thomas 144 12
12) Hobart 138 13
13) Johns Hopkins 119 14
14) UW Platteville 116 8
15) Bethel 109 17
16) Pacific Lutheran 100 15
17) Wittenberg 87 16
18) Thomas More 62 21
19) Wheaton 60 20
20) Ithaca 59 22
21) Widener 39 23
22) Hampden-Sydney 37 25
23) Concordia-Moorhead 36 NR
24) Lycoming 35 24
T25) Heidelberg 19 18
T25) Muhlenberg 19 NR

Dropped Out: Illinois Wesleyan

Also Receiving Votes: Washington & Jefferson (15), Illinois Wesleyan (11), Franklin (6), Texas Lutheran (5), Adrian (3), Chapman (3), Rhodes (2), Willamette (2), Centre (1), UW-Stevens Point (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN-MG, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, smedindy, thewaterboy, and Upstate

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 23, 2014, 06:02:10 PM

1) UW-Whitewater 250 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
T2) Mary Hardin-Baylor 234 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
T2) Mount Union 234 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) Wesley 213 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 8)
5) Linfield 209 ( 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7)
6) North Central 205 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)
7) St John Fisher 190 ( 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9)
8) John Carroll 170 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 11, 12)
9) Wartburg 167 ( 6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 12, 13)
10) Wabash 150 ( 8, 8, 9, 10, 11, 11, 11, 12, 13, 17)
11) St Thomas 144 ( 9, 9, 10, 10, 11, 11, 13, 13, 14, 16)
12) Hobart 138 ( 8, 10, 10, 12, 12, 12, 14, 14, 15, 15)
13) Johns Hopkins 119 ( 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 14, 15, 15, 18, 20)
14) UW Platteville 116 (10, 12, 13, 14, 14, 15, 16, 16, 16, 18)
15) Bethel 109 (11, 13, 14, 14, 15, 16, 17, 17, 17, 17)
16) Pacific Lutheran 100 (10, 11, 13, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 21, --)
17) Wittenberg 87 (12, 12, 13, 16, 16, 17, 18, 20, 23, --)
18) Thomas More 62 (14, 16, 18, 18, 19, 20, 20, 22, 25, --)
19) Wheaton 60 (11, 15, 19, 19, 20, 20, 21, 24, 25, --)
20) Ithaca 59 (15, 17, 18, 19, 19, 19, 21, 23, 24, --)
21) Widener 39 (19, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, 23, 23, --, --)
22) Hampden-Sydney 37 (17, 19, 22, 22, 23, 23, 23, 24, 24, --)
23) Concordia-Moorhead 36 (18, 18, 18, 19, 24, 25, 25, 25, --, --)
24) Lycoming 35 (20, 21, 21, 21, 22, 22, 23, 24, 25, --)
T25) Heidelberg 19 (17, 21, 23, 24, --, --, --, --, --, --)
T25) Muhlenberg 19 (15, 22, 22, --, --, --, --, --, --, --)

27) Wash & Jeff 15 (16, 22, 25)
28) Illinois Wesleyan 11 (19, 22)
29) Franklin 6 (20)
30) Texas Lutheran 5 (21)
T31) Adrian 3 (23)
T31) Chapman 3 (24, 25)
T33) Rhodes 2 (24)
T33) Willamette 2 (24)
T35) Centre 1 (25)
T35) UW-Stevens Point 1 (25)

ExTartanPlayer · September 24, 2014, 02:38:19 PM

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 23, 2014, 06:02:10 PM
28) Illinois Wesleyan 11 (19, 22)

And zero votes for the team that just beat them by 10?

(this is more of a "what is the rationale for keeping both IWU and Franklin ranked?" question than it is a plea for Simpson to be ranked)

Upstate · September 24, 2014, 02:51:46 PM

My ballot this week...

Flame away

1) UW Whitewater
2) Mary Hardin-Baylor
3) Linfield
4) Mount Union
5) North Central
6) Wesley
7) St. John Fisher
8) John Carroll
9) Johns Hopkins
10) Wabash
11) St. Thomas
12) Wartburg
13) Pacific Lutheran
14) Hobart
15) Wheaton (Ill)
16) UW-Platteville
17) Bethel
18) Concordia-Moorhead
19) Ithaca
20) Lycoming
21) Widener
22) Thomas More
23) Wittenberg
24) Hampden-Sydney
25) UW-Stevens Point

Mr. Ypsi · September 24, 2014, 05:25:15 PM

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 24, 2014, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 23, 2014, 06:02:10 PM
28) Illinois Wesleyan 11 (19, 22)

And zero votes for the team that just beat them by 10?

(this is more of a "what is the rationale for keeping both IWU and Franklin ranked?" question than it is a plea for Simpson to be ranked)

Touche!

To my shame(?), I confess to being 7 of IWU's votes and ALL of Franklin's votes. It is still so early in the season that I am heavily swayed by preseason expectations. While Simpson is now looking like a good candidate for #2 in the IIAC, they were only middle of the pack preseason. I just wasn't ready to raise them that high this soon. On the other hand, Franklin ranked very well (perhaps even top ten), and I don't want to 'deep six' them based on the evidence to date. (And IWU, in addition is
not only my alma mater, they were also ranked, then beat Franklin.) In coming weeks, things may change drastically.

I haven't looked at the schedule yet, but if Simpson wins (even against "Liittle Sisters of the Poor", while either IWU or Franklin loses, I suspect they are both gone and Simpson is probably in.

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 24, 2014, 06:31:52 PM

Don't think I've revealed my ballot so far this year. What a shock that I'm the extreme on so many teams.

1) UW-Whitewater 250 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
T2) Mary Hardin-Baylor 234 * ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
T2) Mount Union 234 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) Wesley 213 * ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 8)
5) Linfield 209 * ( 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7)
6) North Central 205 ( 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)
7) St John Fisher 190 * ( 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9)
8) John Carroll 170 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 11, 12)
9) Wartburg 167 * ( 6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 12, 13)
10) Wabash 150 * ( 8, 8, 9, 10, 11, 11, 11, 12, 13, 17)
11) St Thomas 144 ( 9, 9, 10, 10, 11, 11, 13, 13, 14, 16)
12) Hobart 138 ( 8, 10, 10, 12, 12, 12, 14, 14, 15, 15)
13) Johns Hopkins 119 ( 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 14, 15, 15, 18, 20)
14) UW Platteville 116 (10, 12, 13, 14, 14, 15, 16, 16, 16, 18)
15) Bethel 109 (11, 13, 14, 14, 15, 16, 17, 17, 17, 17)
16) Pacific Lutheran 100 (10, 11, 13, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 21, --)
17) Wittenberg 87 (12, 12, 13, 16, 16, 17, 18, 20, 23, --)
18) Thomas More 62 (14, 16, 18, 18, 19, 20, 20, 22, 25, --)
19) Wheaton 60 (11, 15, 19, 19, 20, 20, 21, 24, 25, --)
20) Ithaca 59 * (15, 17, 18, 19, 19, 19, 21, 23, 24, --)
21) Widener 39 (19, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, 23, 23, --, --)
22) Hampden-Sydney 37 * (17, 19, 22, 22, 23, 23, 23, 24, 24, --)
23) Concordia-Moorhead 36 (18, 18, 18, 19, 24, 25, 25, 25, --, --)
24) Lycoming 35 (20, 21, 21, 21, 22, 22, 23, 24, 25, --)
T25) Heidelberg 19 (17, 21, 23, 24, --, --, --, --, --, --)
T25) Muhlenberg 19 * (15, 22, 22, --, --, --, --, --, --, --)

27) Wash & Jeff 15 (16, 22, 25)
28) Illinois Wesleyan 11 (19, 22)
29) Franklin 6 (20)
30) Texas Lutheran 5 * (21)
T31) Adrian 3 (23)
T31) Chapman 3 (24, 25)
T33) Rhodes 2 * (24)
T33) Willamette 2 (24)
T35) Centre 1 * (25)
T35) UW-Stevens Point 1 (25)

02 Warhawk · September 24, 2014, 08:38:09 PM

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 24, 2014, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 23, 2014, 06:02:10 PM
28) Illinois Wesleyan 11 (19, 22)

And zero votes for the team that just beat them by 10?

(this is more of a "what is the rationale for keeping both IWU and Franklin ranked?" question than it is a plea for Simpson to be ranked)

I'm in the clear, i didn't place any of those the teams in my 25.

ExTartanPlayer · September 24, 2014, 11:21:58 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 24, 2014, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on September 24, 2014, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 23, 2014, 06:02:10 PM
28) Illinois Wesleyan 11 (19, 22)

And zero votes for the team that just beat them by 10?

(this is more of a "what is the rationale for keeping both IWU and Franklin ranked?" question than it is a plea for Simpson to be ranked)

Touche!

To my shame(?), I confess to being 7 of IWU's votes and ALL of Franklin's votes. It is still so early in the season that I am heavily swayed by preseason expectations. While Simpson is now looking like a good candidate for #2 in the IIAC, they were only middle of the pack preseason. I just wasn't ready to raise them that high this soon. On the other hand, Franklin ranked very well (perhaps even top ten), and I don't want to 'deep six' them based on the evidence to date. (And IWU, in addition is
not only my alma mater, they were also ranked, then beat Franklin.) In coming weeks, things may change drastically.

I haven't looked at the schedule yet, but if Simpson wins (even against "Liittle Sisters of the Poor", while either IWU or Franklin loses, I suspect they are both gone and Simpson is probably in.

Oh, I was pretty sure you had IWU 19 and Franklin 20 when I saw the poll.

I'm fine with not ranking Simpson just yet. What I disagree with is this idea that you must anchor a team somewhere near its preseason expectation. OK, Franklin started in it near your top 10. They're now 1-2, and one of those losses just came to an IWU team who scored THREE points against that Simpson team you're "just not ready to move that high yet." I don't like letting preconceived notions of who is supposed to be good supersede actual on field results that happened. Simpson is 3-0 and beat IWU head to head. If you're not ranking Simpson, whats the justification for ranking a team Simpson just beat AND a team that lost to that team? Can you imagine if we gave out playof bids this way? "Well, I know Simpson beat IWU, but I thought IWU was better, and that's my alma mater, so what the heck, let's put IWU in!"

Later in the season, this gets harder to stick to once you get some circular results where A beat B, B beat C, and C beat A. Then, judgement calls are necessary.

smedindy · September 25, 2014, 01:36:12 AM

I think that the Simpson / IWU matchup, to me, signalled that IWU was probably overrated. By now, preseason hype should be out the window, dead and buried, cast down to the ocean floor. It's not pre-season for ANYONE anymore...