D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

[Ralph Turner]

Wait, we have a D3 team in Montana now? Pat, can you send me there to cover a hoops game?

You can cover both home games when Montana Baptist Wesleyan plays Palm Beach International Beach Bible College.

I still think that the perfect road trip for D3football.com to take is the American Southwest Conference game when Belhaven College in Jackson MS goes to Sul Ross State in Alpine TX.

Yeah. I think that's the longest conference road trip that I found. Absolutely horrible. 900 miles. On a bus. That's got to be 14-16 hours each way counting food stops. That alone would have me hoping someone else was recruiting me...

Soooo I don't know much about the respective institutions and their available resources, but I sincerely hope that they are able to find a way to get those poor kids a flight for that game.  900 miles on a bus is ridiculous.

Jackson MS to DFW or Love Field or Hobby Houston or IAH (Houston).
Connect to Midland

Midland to Alpine 162 miles or 2 hours 27 minutes.

[D3MAFAN]

Final Poll in...I have Mount Union #1 and St. Thomas #2...then a surprise team at #3 that some may disagree,

[Mr. Ypsi]

Final Poll in...I have Mount Union #1 and St. Thomas #2...then a surprise team at #3 that some may disagree,

I'm guessing you mean Wesley.  I'm strongly considering them for #4, but they didn't beat anyone as tough as a couple of UWW's wins.  (If I've mis-guessed on your #3, as Emily Litella would say: 'never mind'! )

[wesleydad]

Final Poll in...I have Mount Union #1 and St. Thomas #2...then a surprise team at #3 that some may disagree,

I'm guessing you mean Wesley.  I'm strongly considering them for #4, but they didn't beat anyone as tough as a couple of UWW's wins.  (If I've mis-guessed on your #3, as Emily Litella would say: 'never mind'! )

Why not Wesley?  Who else made Mount play late into the 4th?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Final Poll in...I have Mount Union #1 and St. Thomas #2...then a surprise team at #3 that some may disagree,

I'm guessing you mean Wesley.  I'm strongly considering them for #4, but they didn't beat anyone as tough as a couple of UWW's wins.  (If I've mis-guessed on your #3, as Emily Litella would say: 'never mind'! )

Why not Wesley?  Who else made Mount play late into the 4th?

Even if it IS the Stagg Bowl, never get overly fixated on a single game.  UST and UWW (and UWO, Linfield, Wheaton, etc. etc.) did not lose to Salisbury.  AND most of them had wins over better teams than any that Wesley beat.

[Ralph Turner]

For me, Wesley Salisbury is a rivalry game (that was played with the conference Pool A bid on the line). Those two have been in the playoffs plenty of times in the decade and a half.

The Salisbury loss was not a big one for me.

[D3MAFAN]

For me, Wesley Salisbury is a rivalry game (that was played with the conference Pool A bid on the line). Those two have been in the playoffs plenty of times in the decade and a half.

The Salisbury loss was not a big one for me.

Agree 100%, some posters talk about quality wins, UWW and UWO split and UWW beat Wheaton (one Hail Mary away from NCC) and UWO is Ohio Northern (Comparable to Salisbury IMHO). Linfield has the best in my opinion against UMHB, because I think UMHB was better than Linfield. It appears everyone discounts Johns Hopkins because they lose to Wesley/Mount Union every year as for Wesley not having any quality wins.

...and yes, I voted Wesley #3, because of their offense and Wesley having the best player in DIII this year.

[Ron Boerger]

Wait, we have a D3 team in Montana now? Pat, can you send me there to cover a hoops game?

You can cover both home games when Montana Baptist Wesleyan plays Palm Beach International Beach Bible College.

I still think that the perfect road trip for D3football.com to take is the American Southwest Conference game when Belhaven College in Jackson MS goes to Sul Ross State in Alpine TX.

Yeah. I think that's the longest conference road trip that I found. Absolutely horrible. 900 miles. On a bus. That's got to be 14-16 hours each way counting food stops. That alone would have me hoping someone else was recruiting me...

I'm guessing there were a lot of airline flights when the SCAC had Colorado College, Trinity TX, and DePauw --- or some really long bus rides.

With Trinity/Austin rejoining the SAA (for football only) in 2017 some of those lengthy trips will return.    Trinity - Berry clocks in at 958 road miles. 

[jknezek]

Wait, we have a D3 team in Montana now? Pat, can you send me there to cover a hoops game?

You can cover both home games when Montana Baptist Wesleyan plays Palm Beach International Beach Bible College.

I still think that the perfect road trip for D3football.com to take is the American Southwest Conference game when Belhaven College in Jackson MS goes to Sul Ross State in Alpine TX.

Yeah. I think that's the longest conference road trip that I found. Absolutely horrible. 900 miles. On a bus. That's got to be 14-16 hours each way counting food stops. That alone would have me hoping someone else was recruiting me...

I'm guessing there were a lot of airline flights when the SCAC had Colorado College, Trinity TX, and DePauw --- or some really long bus rides.

With Trinity/Austin rejoining the SAA (for football only) in 2017 some of those lengthy trips will return.    Trinity - Berry clocks in at 958 road miles.

I'm guessing those will mainly be flights. The SAA schools, from my understanding, are a little less budget constrained than the ASC schools. Plus Berry/Trinity as an example is an easy flight. There is no such thing to Alpine TX...

[USee]

For me, Wesley Salisbury is a rivalry game (that was played with the conference Pool A bid on the line). Those two have been in the playoffs plenty of times in the decade and a half.

The Salisbury loss was not a big one for me.

Agree 100%, some posters talk about quality wins, UWW and UWO split and UWW beat Wheaton (one Hail Mary away from NCC) and UWO is Ohio Northern (Comparable to Salisbury IMHO). Linfield has the best in my opinion against UMHB, because I think UMHB was better than Linfield. It appears everyone discounts Johns Hopkins because they lose to Wesley/Mount Union every year as for Wesley not having any quality wins.

...and yes, I voted Wesley #3, because of their offense and Wesley having the best player in DIII this year.

You voted Wesley #3 because of their offense? I think that's a dangerous premise. Their offense was clearly championship quality. I think it was Wesley's lack of defense that kept them from from advancing. You can't be #3 in the nation to me with a porous defense. And characterizing UWO as ONU and Wheaton as a Hail Mary away from NCC really diminishes any credibility your argument may have.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

I currently have 6 ballots... still waiting on 2 others as well as hearing back about a team that was left off a ballot. Hopefully everything will be in and I can post it tomorrow night

[D3MAFAN]

For me, Wesley Salisbury is a rivalry game (that was played with the conference Pool A bid on the line). Those two have been in the playoffs plenty of times in the decade and a half.

The Salisbury loss was not a big one for me.

Agree 100%, some posters talk about quality wins, UWW and UWO split and UWW beat Wheaton (one Hail Mary away from NCC) and UWO is Ohio Northern (Comparable to Salisbury IMHO). Linfield has the best in my opinion against UMHB, because I think UMHB was better than Linfield. It appears everyone discounts Johns Hopkins because they lose to Wesley/Mount Union every year as for Wesley not having any quality wins.

...and yes, I voted Wesley #3, because of their offense and Wesley having the best player in DIII this year.

You voted Wesley #3 because of their offense? I think that's a dangerous premise. Their offense was clearly championship quality. I think it was Wesley's lack of defense that kept them from from advancing. You can't be #3 in the nation to me with a porous defense. And characterizing UWO as ONU and Wheaton as a Hail Mary away from NCC really diminishes any credibility your argument may have.

No, since UWO and UWW was a wash, I indicated that their best win was Ohio Northern, which I would compare to Salisbury. As far as Wheaton and NCC, yes, from my perspective, that was a game changing play, which can take a lot of a team. Granted, I'm a big believer in Defense wins Championships, that's why Mount and UST are my clear #1 and #2, respectively. However, looking at the rest, I think that Wesley would outscore them.

[USee]

For me, Wesley Salisbury is a rivalry game (that was played with the conference Pool A bid on the line). Those two have been in the playoffs plenty of times in the decade and a half.

The Salisbury loss was not a big one for me.

Agree 100%, some posters talk about quality wins, UWW and UWO split and UWW beat Wheaton (one Hail Mary away from NCC) and UWO is Ohio Northern (Comparable to Salisbury IMHO). Linfield has the best in my opinion against UMHB, because I think UMHB was better than Linfield. It appears everyone discounts Johns Hopkins because they lose to Wesley/Mount Union every year as for Wesley not having any quality wins.

...and yes, I voted Wesley #3, because of their offense and Wesley having the best player in DIII this year.

You voted Wesley #3 because of their offense? I think that's a dangerous premise. Their offense was clearly championship quality. I think it was Wesley's lack of defense that kept them from from advancing. You can't be #3 in the nation to me with a porous defense. And characterizing UWO as ONU and Wheaton as a Hail Mary away from NCC really diminishes any credibility your argument may have.

No, since UWO and UWW was a wash, I indicated that their best win was Ohio Northern, which I would compare to Salisbury. As far as Wheaton and NCC, yes, from my perspective, that was a game changing play, which can take a lot of a team. Granted, I'm a big believer in Defense wins Championships, that's why Mount and UST are my clear #1 and #2, respectively. However, looking at the rest, I think that Wesley would outscore them.

There are multiple issues with your (lack of) logic. UWO actually beat UWW during the season. So their best win is NOT Ohio Northern. And you can't compare a WIN over ONU to a LOSS to Salisbury. That's just not credible analysis.

You can compare Wesley to Wheaton via common opponent. You can compare Wesley to UWW via common opponent. You can compare Wesley to St Thomas via common opponent.

[pg04]

I think where the D3football.com voters have them, at #6, is probably where I'd have them. Linfield, UWW, and UWO had the more impressive body of work, which has been described here numerous times.

[D3MAFAN]

I think where the D3football.com voters have them, at #6, is probably where I'd have them. Linfield, UWW, and UWO had the more impressive body of work, which has been described here numerous times.

I can't stand that body of work statement, hopefully yours doesn't involve game control and ESPN FPI metrics...