D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

FCGrizzliesGrad · August 29, 2016, 01:27:53 PM

Last chance to join if you're going to. I'm waiting on just one more ballot that I know of. Currently we're up to 9 voters this season

FCGrizzliesGrad · August 29, 2016, 11:15:48 PM

2016 PRESEASON TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank Team Points Prev Rank
1) Mount Union (7) 198 1
2) Linfield (1) 189 3
3) St Thomas 184 2
4) UW-Whitewater 175 4
5) Mary Hardin-Baylor 167 6
6) UW-Oshkosh 157 7
7) Wesley 150 5
8) St John's 140 11
9) Wheaton 135 9
10) UW-Platteville 117 14
11) North Central 106 15
12) Johns Hopkins 104 12
T13) Thomas More 101 10
T13) Wabash 101 8
15) Hardin-Simmons 99 13
16) John Carroll 75 T23
17) Cortland 62 16
18) Albright 44 19
T19) Washington & Lee 38 18
T19) Whitworth 38 T23
21) Texas Lutheran 36 17
22) Ohio Northern 30 25
23) Delaware Valley 15 NR
T24) Bethel 13 NR
T24) Salisbury 13 NR

Dropped Out: Wartburg, Dubuque, Huntingdon

Also Receiving Votes: UW-Stevens Point (12), DePauw (11), Washington & Jefferson (11), Wartburg (10), Illinois Wesleyan (9), Stevenson (8), Wittenberg (8), Augustana (6), Dubuque (6), St John Fisher (6), Huntingdon (5), Framingham St (4), Heidelberg (4), Case Western Reserve (3), Hobart (3), Widener (3), Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (2), Franklin (1), Monmouth (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN-MG, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HansenRatings, HSCTiger74, NCF and smedindy

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 07, 2016, 02:46:39 AM

Still waiting to hear from one person. Poll will be up in the next 24 hours. I'll include the individual positions this week as well.

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 07, 2016, 08:49:33 PM

2016 WEEK 1 TOP 25 FAN POLL

1) Mount Union (7) 222 1
2) Linfield (1) 211 2
3) UW-Whitewater (1) 204 4
4) St Thomas 202 3
5) Mary Hardin-Baylor 191 5
6) UW-Oshkosh 182 6
7) St John's 166 8
8) Wheaton 157 9
9) UW-Platteville 147 10
10) North Central 142 11
11) Johns Hopkins 134 12
12) Hardin-Simmons 123 15
13) Wabash 109 T13
14) Delaware Valley 93 23
15) Cortland 81 17
16) Wesley 80 7
17) Salisbury 64 T24
18) Franklin 62 NR
19) Ohio Northern 48 22
20) E Texas Baptist 42 NR
21) Thomas More 40 T13
T22) John Carroll 33 16
T22) St John Fisher 33 NR
24) Huntingdon 18 NR
T25) UW-Stevens Point 15 NR
T25) Wartburg 15 NR

Dropped Out: Albright, Washington & Lee, Whitworth, Texas Lutheran, Bethel

Also Receiving Votes: Washington & Jefferson (14), DePauw (13), Dubuque (12), Wittenberg (10), Monmouth (9), Central (8), Hobart (8), Illinois Wesleyan (8), Washington & Lee (7), Albion (5), Case Western Reserve (5), Stevenson (5), Augustana (3), Framingham St (3), Rowan (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN-MG, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HansenRatings, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF and smedindy

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 07, 2016, 09:19:52 PM

1) Mount Union 222 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3)
2) Linfield 211 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 4, 6)
3) UW-Whitewater 204 ( 1, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 6)
4) St Thomas 202 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5)
5) Mary Hardin-Baylor 191 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7)
6) UW-Oshkosh 182 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8)
7) St John's 166 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 10)
8) Wheaton 157 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 14)
9) UW-Platteville 147 ( 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 10, 11, 11, 13)
10) North Central 142 ( 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 12, 12, 12, 14)
11) Johns Hopkins 134 (10, 10, 10, 10, 11, 11, 11, 12, 15)
12) Hardin-Simmons 123 ( 8, 10, 10, 11, 11, 12, 14, 15, 20)
13) Wabash 109 (12, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 14, 15, 19)
14) Delaware Valley 93 (11, 13, 14, 14, 15, 15, 16, 17, --)
15) Cortland 81 (12, 14, 15, 15, 17, 18, 18, 18, --)
16) Wesley 80 (12, 14, 16, 17, 17, 18, 18, 20, 22)
17) Salisbury 64 (13, 16, 16, 17, 17, 20, 22, 23, --)
18) Franklin 62 (12, 16, 16, 16, 19, 20, 23, 24, --)
19) Ohio Northern 48 (14, 15, 17, 20, 21, 22, 25, --, --)
20) E Texas Baptist 42 (13, 19, 19, 21, 21, 23, 24, --, --)
21) Thomas More 40 (16, 17, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, --, --)
T22) John Carroll 33 (10, 20, 20, 23, 24, --, --, --, --)
T22) St John Fisher 33 (16, 18, 19, 23, 24, 24, 25, --, --)
24) Huntingdon 18 (18, 20, 22, --, --, --, --, --, --)
T25) UW-Stevens Point 15 (11, --, --, --, --, --, --, --, --)
T25) Wartburg 15 (20, 21, 22, --, --, --, --, --, --)

27) Wash & Jeff 14 (19, 22, 24, 25)
28) DePauw 13 (15, 24)
29) Dubuque 12 (18, 23, 25)
30) Wittenberg 10 (17, 25)
31) Monmouth 9 (21, 22)
T32) Central 8 (21, 24, 25)
T32) Hobart 8 (19, 25)
T32) Illinois Wesleyan 8 (18)
35) Wash & Lee 7 (19)
T36) Albion 5 (21)
T36) Case Western 5 (22, 25)
T36) Stevenson 5 (21)
T39) Augustana 3 (23)
T39) Framingham St 3 (23)
41) Rowan 1 (25)

Mr. Ypsi · September 07, 2016, 11:38:22 PM

OOH - I'm curious as all get out to know who gave IWU all their points! (Despite being the 'Bleeds Green' Guy, it wasn't me. IF they beat NCC on the 17th, they'll be there, but not yet.

)

Another striking anomaly was UWSP being named by only one voter, but as #ELEVEN! Since Saturday's opponent (Albion) gave Wabash a huge scare, they just might have a chance to justify the ranking this week.

desertcat1 · September 08, 2016, 12:02:03 PM

Mr. Y,

NOT I " said the little red hen"...

UWSP was not even on my list.

Maybe it was the same voter who had Linfield at 6 , and UMHB at 7.

UMHB 1st in D(0) , 2nd in 0 (56).

02 Warhawk · September 08, 2016, 02:35:52 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 07, 2016, 11:38:22 PM
OOH - I'm curious as all get out to know who gave IWU all their points! (Despite being the 'Bleeds Green' Guy, it wasn't me. IF they beat NCC on the 17th, they'll be there, but not yet. )

Another striking anomaly was UWSP being named by only one voter, but as #ELEVEN! Since Saturday's opponent (Albion) gave Wabash a huge scare, they just might have a chance to justify the ranking this week.

No secret I'm a big WIAC fan. However, that #11 UWSP vote didn't come from me. Even if they beat Albion on Saturday, UWSP still won't sniff my top 25. They will probably have to beat a UWW, UWO or UWP to crack the poll in my mind.

HansenRatings · September 08, 2016, 05:39:36 PM

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I had a long labor day weekend. Once I see some more game results I'll get more subjective.

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 13, 2016, 10:14:34 AM

2016 WEEK 2 TOP 25 FAN POLL

# School Pts Prev
1) Mount Union (7) 220 1
2) Linfield (2) 212 2
3) St Thomas 205 4
4) UW-Whitewater 204 3
5) Mary Hardin-Baylor 190 5
6) UW-Oshkosh 181 6
7) St John's 166 7
8) Wheaton 161 8
9) UW-Platteville 144 9
10) North Central 142 10
11) Johns Hopkins 138 11
12) Hardin-Simmons 124 12
13) Wabash 108 13
14) Delaware Valley 106 14
T15) Cortland 88 15
T15) Wesley 88 16
17) Salisbury 70 17
18) E Texas Baptist 54 20
T19) Franklin 47 18
T19) Thomas More 47 21
21) St John Fisher 38 T22
22) John Carroll 28 T22
T23) Huntingdon 25 24
T23) Washington & Jefferson 25 NR
T25) Central 20 NR
T25) Dubuque 20 NR

Dropped Out: Ohio Northern, UW-Stevens Point, Wartburg

Also Receiving Votes: DePauw (14), UW-Stevens Point (13), Monmouth (12), Hobart (10), Washington & Lee (8), Wittenberg (6), Stevenson (5), St Lawrence (3), Case Western Reserve (1), Coe (1), Whitworth (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN-MG, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HansenRatings, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF and smedindy

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 13, 2016, 10:29:57 AM

1) Mount Union 220 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3, 4)
2) Linfield 212 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 4, 4, 4)
3) St Thomas 205 ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5)
4) UW-Whitewater 204 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5)
5) Mary Hardin-Baylor 190 ( 2, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7)
6) UW-Oshkosh 181 ( 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8)
7) St John's 166 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 10)
8) Wheaton 161 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10)
9) UW-Platteville 144 ( 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 10, 11, 12, 15)
10) North Central 142 ( 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 12, 12, 12, 14)
11) Johns Hopkins 138 (10, 10, 10, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11)
12) Hardin-Simmons 124 ( 8, 10, 10, 11, 12, 12, 13, 17, 17)
13) Wabash 108 (12, 12, 13, 13, 13, 13, 15, 16, 19)
14) Delaware Valley 106 (11, 12, 13, 14, 14, 15, 15, 15, 19)
T15) Cortland 88 (10, 14, 14, 14, 17, 17, 17, 17, --)
T15) Wesley 88 (13, 14, 14, 16, 16, 16, 18, 19, 20)
17) Salisbury 70 (13, 16, 16, 16, 16, 19, 20, 22, --)
18) E Texas Baptist 54 (13, 18, 19, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, --)
T19) Franklin 47 (15, 15, 18, 18, 22, 23, 24, --, --)
T19) Thomas More 47 (16, 17, 18, 20, 20, 21, 21, --, --)
21) St John Fisher 38 (18, 18, 19, 22, 22, 23, 23, 25, --)
22) John Carroll 28 (14, 20, 21, 22, 25, --, --, --, --)
T23) Huntingdon 25 (17, 20, 21, 23, 24, --, --, --, --)
T23) Wash & Jeff 25 (18, 19, 20, 23, 25, --, --, --, --)
T25) Central 20 (19, 21, 22, 24, 24, --, --, --, --)
T25) Dubuque 20 (17, 21, 23, 24, 25, --, --, --, --)

27) DePauw 14 (15, 23)
28) UW-Stevens Point 13 (15, 24)
29) Monmouth 12 (21, 22, 23)
30) Hobart 10 (19, 24, 25)
31) Wash & Lee 8 (18)
32) Wittenberg 6 (20)
33) Stevenson 5 (24, 24, 25)
34) St Lawrence 3 (23)
T35) Case Western 1 (25)
T35) Coe 1 (25)
T35) Whitworth 1 (25)

desertcat1 · September 13, 2016, 12:27:22 PM

Who on the poll DID NOT include Cortland in the top 25?

and WHY would be nice .

HansenRatings · September 13, 2016, 06:59:12 PM

Quote from: desertcat1 on September 13, 2016, 12:27:22 PM
Who on the poll DID NOT include Cortland in the top 25? and WHY would be nice .

That would be me.

	Team
1.	Mount Union
2.	St. Thomas
3.	UW-Whitewater
4.	Linfield
5.	UW-Oshkosh
6.	Mary Hardin-Baylor
7.	North Central
8.	UW-Platteville
9.	St. John's
10.	Wheaton
11.	Johns Hopkins
12.	Wabash
13.	Wesley
14.	John Carroll
15.	UW-Stevens Point
16.	Thomas More
17.	Hardin-Simmons
18.	St. John Fisher
19.	Delaware Valley
20.	Wittenberg
21.	Central
22.	Monmouth
23.	Dubuque
24.	Franklin
25.	Hobart

Part of my reasoning is definitely a regional bias (as evidenced by my teams @ #'s 21-24), but it's not what I would consider a purely subjective bias. I actually elevated several Eastern schools from where my computer model thinks they should be. Part of it is also a difference in opinion between the way I think people should vote for a Top 25 compared to the standard convention (I mean, basically every Pick Em has UMHB favored over Linfield this year), but that's probably a topic for a different conversation.
I would probably put Cortland somewhere around 27 or 28 if the poll extended that far. That's right about where I would have put them in the preseason based on their number of returning starters and where I perceived them relative to the rest of the E8/East/nation a year ago (they were maybe the best team in the conference by the end of the year, which does not imply that I think they didn't deserve the conference championship). A 2 point victory over Heidelberg (3rd or 4th best OAC team) and a W (convincing, but not a

type win) over Framingham doesn't lead me to believe they're any better than that. Their best unit according to my opponent-adjusted yards/play is their rush defense, and even that ranks outside of the Top 25 (#26). A win this weekend, by any margin, will probably see them switch places with Fisher for me.

emma17 · September 13, 2016, 08:10:25 PM

Quote from: HansenRatings on September 13, 2016, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on September 13, 2016, 12:27:22 PM
Who on the poll DID NOT include Cortland in the top 25? and WHY would be nice .

That would be me.

Team
1. Mount Union
2. St. Thomas
3. UW-Whitewater
4. Linfield
5. UW-Oshkosh
6. Mary Hardin-Baylor
7. North Central
8. UW-Platteville
9. St. John's
10. Wheaton
11. Johns Hopkins
12. Wabash
13. Wesley
14. John Carroll
15. UW-Stevens Point
16. Thomas More
17. Hardin-Simmons
18. St. John Fisher
19. Delaware Valley
20. Wittenberg
21. Central
22. Monmouth
23. Dubuque
24. Franklin
25. Hobart

Part of my reasoning is definitely a regional bias (as evidenced by my teams @ #'s 21-24), but it's not what I would consider a purely subjective bias. I actually elevated several Eastern schools from where my computer model thinks they should be. Part of it is also a difference in opinion between the way I think people should vote for a Top 25 compared to the standard convention (I mean, basically every Pick Em has UMHB favored over Linfield this year), but that's probably a topic for a different conversation.
I would probably put Cortland somewhere around 27 or 28 if the poll extended that far. That's right about where I would have put them in the preseason based on their number of returning starters and where I perceived them relative to the rest of the E8/East/nation a year ago (they were maybe the best team in the conference by the end of the year, which does not imply that I think they didn't deserve the conference championship). A 2 point victory over Heidelberg (3rd or 4th best OAC team) and a W (convincing, but not a type win) over Framingham doesn't lead me to believe they're any better than that. Their best unit according to my opponent-adjusted yards/play is their rush defense, and even that ranks outside of the Top 25 (#26). A win this weekend, by any margin, will probably see them switch places with Fisher for me.

I'm glad to see you have UWSP in your rankings. I realize I expose myself to bias charges here as a WIAC guy, but I'm surprised at the little attention they've received. I realize it's early in the season and some may be waiting to see how they do against the big dogs, but that's a philosophy that should apply to all teams. Last year UWSP played 3 teams that finished in the top 15 in the country and lost by a combined total of 22 points. This year they beat the snot out of the team that beat them opening game last year (Albion), which happens to be the team that took this week's #13 team to overtime.
I'd enjoy reading your thoughts/model output on UWSP.

D3MAFAN · September 14, 2016, 09:13:15 AM

Quote from: emma17 on September 13, 2016, 08:10:25 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on September 13, 2016, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on September 13, 2016, 12:27:22 PM
Who on the poll DID NOT include Cortland in the top 25? and WHY would be nice .

That would be me.

Team
1. Mount Union
2. St. Thomas
3. UW-Whitewater
4. Linfield
5. UW-Oshkosh
6. Mary Hardin-Baylor
7. North Central
8. UW-Platteville
9. St. John's
10. Wheaton
11. Johns Hopkins
12. Wabash
13. Wesley
14. John Carroll
15. UW-Stevens Point
16. Thomas More
17. Hardin-Simmons
18. St. John Fisher
19. Delaware Valley
20. Wittenberg
21. Central
22. Monmouth
23. Dubuque
24. Franklin
25. Hobart

Part of my reasoning is definitely a regional bias (as evidenced by my teams @ #'s 21-24), but it's not what I would consider a purely subjective bias. I actually elevated several Eastern schools from where my computer model thinks they should be. Part of it is also a difference in opinion between the way I think people should vote for a Top 25 compared to the standard convention (I mean, basically every Pick Em has UMHB favored over Linfield this year), but that's probably a topic for a different conversation.
I would probably put Cortland somewhere around 27 or 28 if the poll extended that far. That's right about where I would have put them in the preseason based on their number of returning starters and where I perceived them relative to the rest of the E8/East/nation a year ago (they were maybe the best team in the conference by the end of the year, which does not imply that I think they didn't deserve the conference championship). A 2 point victory over Heidelberg (3rd or 4th best OAC team) and a W (convincing, but not a type win) over Framingham doesn't lead me to believe they're any better than that. Their best unit according to my opponent-adjusted yards/play is their rush defense, and even that ranks outside of the Top 25 (#26). A win this weekend, by any margin, will probably see them switch places with Fisher for me.

I'm glad to see you have UWSP in ur rankings. I realize I expose myself to bias charges here as a WIAC guy, but I'm surprised at the little attention they've received. I realize it's early in the season and some may be waiting to see how they do against the big dogs, but that's a philosophy that should apply to all teams. Last year UWSP played 3 teams that finished in the top 15 in the country and lost by a combined total of 22 points. This year they beat the snot out of the team that beat them opening game last year (Albion), which happens to be the team that took this week's #13 team to overtime.
I'd enjoy reading your thoughts/model output on UWSP.

I typically rank my teams based upon many factors you aforementioned. However, I also watch a considerable amount of college football (majority DIII) during my Saturday (which my wife hates), which leads me to ask the question, "On a neutral field, would this team beat this team 6 out of 10 times?" I use this as my ranking, while obviously using head-to-head as my final deciding factor.