D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

Mr. Ypsi · September 27, 2017, 12:25:20 PM

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 27, 2017, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 27, 2017, 12:24:15 AM
Happy to see that Wheaton has now tied Oshkosh for third. With two weeks off, UWO's ONLY real credentials were last season and beating (now exposed) JCU. This Saturday will be interesting as UWO hosts UWW while Wheaton hosts IWU (who defeated UWW on opening day). [BTW, somewhat mystified why IWU fell from 17 to t19 - they pitched a shutout against (admittedly not good) NPU. None of the teams that jumped them had a clearly better result.]

You can make the argument that IWU's ONLY real credential is beating a (now exposed) UWW. That win looked really good up until they lost again - the very next week - to (once again) an unranked team.

True, but that doesn't explain why they dropped THIS past week.

02 Warhawk · September 27, 2017, 12:30:04 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 27, 2017, 12:25:20 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 27, 2017, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 27, 2017, 12:24:15 AM
Happy to see that Wheaton has now tied Oshkosh for third. With two weeks off, UWO's ONLY real credentials were last season and beating (now exposed) JCU. This Saturday will be interesting as UWO hosts UWW while Wheaton hosts IWU (who defeated UWW on opening day). [BTW, somewhat mystified why IWU fell from 17 to t19 - they pitched a shutout against (admittedly not good) NPU. None of the teams that jumped them had a clearly better result.]

You can make the argument that IWU's ONLY real credential is beating a (now exposed) UWW. That win looked really good up until they lost again - the very next week - to (once again) an unranked team.

True, but that doesn't explain why they dropped THIS past week.

True as well. I actually moved them up in my poll. From 17th to 16th, because of JCU dropping down.

HansenRatings · September 27, 2017, 03:47:39 PM

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 27, 2017, 12:30:04 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 27, 2017, 12:25:20 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on September 27, 2017, 12:17:03 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on September 27, 2017, 12:24:15 AM
Happy to see that Wheaton has now tied Oshkosh for third. With two weeks off, UWO's ONLY real credentials were last season and beating (now exposed) JCU. This Saturday will be interesting as UWO hosts UWW while Wheaton hosts IWU (who defeated UWW on opening day). [BTW, somewhat mystified why IWU fell from 17 to t19 - they pitched a shutout against (admittedly not good) NPU. None of the teams that jumped them had a clearly better result.]

You can make the argument that IWU's ONLY real credential is beating a (now exposed) UWW. That win looked really good up until they lost again - the very next week - to (once again) an unranked team.

True, but that doesn't explain why they dropped THIS past week.

True as well. I actually moved them up in my poll. From 17th to 16th, because of JCU dropping down.

Until about Week 5 or so, I generally completely scrap my previous week's rankings so that I'm not too biased based on early expectations. Could be just a handful of voters doing the same thing, and they moved down just a little bit on multiple ballots.

smedindy · September 27, 2017, 04:48:44 PM

13, 16, 16, 17, 17, 18, 19, 19, 20

vs.

15, 16, 16, 16, 17, 19, 19, 19, 21, 21

I had them at #19 both times.

Just slight shifts downward or the same. I think the offensive struggles despite the dominant defense (2 missed XPs, three turnovers, 18 points despite 400+ yards) may have given some voters pause.

The teams that jumped them - C-M, Brockport and Whitworth, are gaining steam as "hey they could be really really good and win their conference."

FCGrizzliesGrad · October 03, 2017, 01:48:48 PM

For the first time since week 1 there wasn't a tie for 19th

2017 Week 5 TOP 25 FAN POLL

# School Pts Prev
1) Mary Hardin-Baylor (8) 248 1
2) Mount Union (2) 241 2
3) UW-Oshkosh 228 T3
4) North Central 219 5
5) Hardin-Simmons 208 6
6) St Thomas 187 7
7) Linfield 170 10
8) Delaware Valley 167 8
9) St John's 159 9
10) Frostburg St 152 11
11) Illinois Wesleyan 148 T19
12) Wheaton 138 T3
13) UW-Platteville 127 13
14) Wittenberg 107 14
15) Brockport 99 18
16) Washington & Jefferson 98 15
17) Wesley 95 21
18) Concordia-Moorhead 92 16
19) Case Western Reserve 81 T19
20) Alfred 64 22
21) Heidelberg 53 24
22) UW-Stout 34 23
23) Whitworth 24 17
24) Berry 21 NR
25) Johns Hopkins 17 12

Dropped Out: Denison

Also Receiving Votes: John Carroll (11), Ursinus (11), Wartburg (10), Framingham St (7), Chris Newport (6), Denison (5), Albright (4), Franklin & Marshall (4), George Fox (4), Springfield (4), UW-La Crosse (3), Carnegie Mellon (2), Wabash (2)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HansenRatings, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, Scots13, and smedindy

FCGrizzliesGrad · October 03, 2017, 02:03:08 PM

1) Mary Hardin-Baylor 248 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) Mount Union 241 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 228 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5)
4) North Central 219 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5)
5) Hardin-Simmons 208 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8)
6) St Thomas 187 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 9, 10, 13)
7) Linfield 170 ( 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 9, 10, 10, 12, 17)
8) Delaware Valley 167 ( 6, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 10, 11, 13, 13)
9) St John's 159 ( 7, 8, 8, 10, 10, 10, 11, 11, 12, 14)
10) Frostburg St 152 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 10, 11, 11, 18, 19)
11) Illinois Wesleyan 148 ( 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 12, 13, 13, 14, 17)
12) Wheaton 138 ( 8, 9, 9, 9, 13, 14, 14, 14, 14, 18)
13) UW-Platteville 127 ( 7, 9, 9, 11, 12, 12, 13, 16, 18, --)
14) Wittenberg 107 ( 8, 8, 12, 12, 13, 14, 17, 21, 22, --)
15) Brockport 99 ( 9, 11, 15, 16, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 20)
16) Wash & Jeff 98 (11, 13, 15, 15, 15, 16, 16, 17, 19, 25)
17) Wesley 95 (12, 12, 14, 14, 16, 17, 18, 20, 20, 22)
18) Concordia-Moorhead 92 (11, 15, 15, 15, 17, 17, 18, 18, 19, 23)
19) Case Western Reserve 81 (10, 14, 15, 16, 16, 17, 19, 21, 25, --)
20) Alfred 64 (15, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 23, --, --)
21) Heidelberg 53 (13, 19, 19, 20, 22, 22, 22, 22, 23, 25)
22) UW-Stout 34 (16, 20, 21, 23, 23, 23, 24, 24, --, --)
23) Whitworth 24 (19, 20, 21, 24, 24, 25, 25, --, --, --)
24) Berry 21 (21, 21, 23, 23, 24, 24, 25, --, --, --)
25) Johns Hopkins 17 (18, 21, 22, --, --, --, --, --, --, --)

T26) John Carroll 11 (18, 23)
T26) Ursinus 11 (20, 21)
28) Wartburg 10 (20, 22)
29) Framingham St 7 (19)
30) Chris Newport 6 (20)
31) Denison 5 (21)
T32) Albright 4 (23, 25)
T32) Franklin & Marshall 4 (24, 24)
T32) George Fox 4 (22)
T32) Springfield 4 (22)
36) UW-La Crosse 3 (24, 25)
T37) Carnegie Mellon 2 (25, 25)
T37) Wabash 2 (24)

MRMIKESMITH · October 06, 2017, 10:31:35 AM

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 03, 2017, 02:03:08 PM
1) Mary Hardin-Baylor 248 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) Mount Union 241 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 228 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5)
4) North Central 219 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5)
5) Hardin-Simmons 208 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8)
6) St Thomas 187 ( 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 9, 10, 13)
7) Linfield 170 ( 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 9, 10, 10, 12, 17)
8) Delaware Valley 167 ( 6, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 10, 11, 13, 13)
9) St John's 159 ( 7, 8, 8, 10, 10, 10, 11, 11, 12, 14)
10) Frostburg St 152 ( 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 10, 11, 11, 18, 19)
11) Illinois Wesleyan 148 ( 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 12, 13, 13, 14, 17)
12) Wheaton 138 ( 8, 9, 9, 9, 13, 14, 14, 14, 14, 18)
13) UW-Platteville 127 ( 7, 9, 9, 11, 12, 12, 13, 16, 18, --)
14) Wittenberg 107 ( 8, 8, 12, 12, 13, 14, 17, 21, 22, --)
15) Brockport 99 ( 9, 11, 15, 16, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 20)
16) Wash & Jeff 98 (11, 13, 15, 15, 15, 16, 16, 17, 19, 25)
17) Wesley 95 (12, 12, 14, 14, 16, 17, 18, 20, 20, 22)
18) Concordia-Moorhead 92 (11, 15, 15, 15, 17, 17, 18, 18, 19, 23)
19) Case Western Reserve 81 (10, 14, 15, 16, 16, 17, 19, 21, 25, --)
20) Alfred 64 (15, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 23, --, --)
21) Heidelberg 53 (13, 19, 19, 20, 22, 22, 22, 22, 23, 25)
22) UW-Stout 34 (16, 20, 21, 23, 23, 23, 24, 24, --, --)
23) Whitworth 24 (19, 20, 21, 24, 24, 25, 25, --, --, --)
24) Berry 21 (21, 21, 23, 23, 24, 24, 25, --, --, --)
25) Johns Hopkins 17 (18, 21, 22, --, --, --, --, --, --, --)

T26) John Carroll 11 (18, 23)
T26) Ursinus 11 (20, 21)
28) Wartburg 10 (20, 22)
29) Framingham St 7 (19)
30) Chris Newport 6 (20)
31) Denison 5 (21)
T32) Albright 4 (23, 25)
T32) Franklin & Marshall 4 (24, 24)
T32) George Fox 4 (22)
T32) Springfield 4 (22)
36) UW-La Crosse 3 (24, 25)
T37) Carnegie Mellon 2 (25, 25)
T37) Wabash 2 (24)

I know this is late in the week, but Frostburg at 19? I think if they lose to Wesley and play competitively, that's where they should be.

FCGrizzliesGrad · October 09, 2017, 09:19:47 PM

2017 Week 6 TOP 25 FAN POLL

# School Pts Prev
1) Mary Hardin-Baylor (8) 248 1
2) Mount Union (2) 241 2
3) UW-Oshkosh 229 3
4) North Central 220 4
5) Hardin-Simmons 193 5
6) St Thomas 191 6
7) Linfield 178 7
8) Delaware Valley 174 8
9) St John's 171 9
10) Illinois Wesleyan 149 11
11) UW-Platteville 144 13
12) Wesley 135 17
13) Wittenberg 134 14
14) Brockport 115 15
15) Washington & Jefferson 113 16
16) Case Western Reserve 102 19
17) Frostburg St 96 10
18) Alfred 82 20
19) George Fox 49 NR
20) Wartburg 44 NR
21) Berry 43 24
22) Concordia-Moorhead 36 18
T23) Johns Hopkins 35 25
T23) Wabash 35 NR
T25) Framingham St 13 NR
T25) Wheaton 13 12

Dropped Out: Heidelberg, UW-Stout, Whitworth

Also Receiving Votes: UW-La Crosse (10), Salisbury (9), John Carroll (8), Millikin (8), Springfield (8), UW-Whitewater (8), Heidelberg (7), Carthage (5), Trine (2), Westminster (PA) (2)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HansenRatings, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, Scots13, and smedindy

FCGrizzliesGrad · October 09, 2017, 09:35:30 PM

1) Mary Hardin-Baylor 248 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) Mount Union 241 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 229 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4)
4) North Central 220 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5)
5) Hardin-Simmons 193 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 9, 10, 10)
6) St Thomas 191 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9, 13)
7) Linfield 178 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 11, 11, 15)
8) Delaware Valley 174 ( 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 12)
9) St John's 171 ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 14)
10) Illinois Wesleyan 149 ( 8, 8, 9, 10, 11, 11, 12, 13, 13, 16)
11) UW-Platteville 144 ( 6, 8, 8, 9, 11, 11, 11, 15, 16, 21)
12) Wesley 135 ( 8, 10, 12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 14, 14, 17)
13) Wittenberg 134 ( 6, 6, 10, 11, 12, 12, 13, 15, 18, 23)
14) Brockport 115 ( 7, 11, 13, 14, 15, 15, 16, 17, 17, 20)
15) Wash & Jeff 113 (11, 12, 12, 12, 13, 15, 15, 16, 20, 21)
16) Case Western Reserve 102 ( 9, 13, 14, 14, 14, 14, 16, 17, 21, --)
17) Frostburg St 96 ( 9, 14, 15, 17, 17, 17, 18, 18, 19, 20)
18) Alfred 82 (13, 14, 15, 16, 16, 17, 18, 19, 24, --)
19) George Fox 49 (19, 20, 20, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, 23, 25)
20) Wartburg 44 (15, 18, 19, 20, 20, 23, 23, --, --, --)
21) Berry 43 (18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 22, 23, --, --, --)
22) Concordia-Moorhead 36 (16, 17, 21, 22, 22, 23, 25, --, --, --)
T23) Johns Hopkins 35 (16, 18, 18, 22, 24, 24, 25, --, --, --)
T23) Wabash 35 (17, 20, 21, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, --, --)
T25) Framingham St 13 (16, 23, --, --, --, --, --, --, --, --)
T25) Wheaton 13 (19, 22, 25, 25, --, --, --, --, --, --)

27) UW-La Crosse 10 (21, 22, 25)
28) Salisbury 9 (18, 25)
T29) John Carroll 8 (21, 23)
T29) Millikin 8 (24, 24, 24, 24)
T29) Springfield 8 (22, 23, 25)
T29) UW-Whitewater 8 (18)
33) Heidelberg 7 (19)
34) Carthage 5 (22, 25)
T35) Trine 2 (24)
T35) Westminster (PA) 2 (24)

Mr. Ypsi · October 10, 2017, 12:14:21 AM

Kinda surprised (though not shocked) that I was the ONLY voter for UWW. Three losses is hard to overcome, but folks: the Whitewater 'Reign of Terror' is over, but they are still a very dangrous team. Barring some very improbable results, they won't make the playoffs, but I guarantee no one would look forward to playing them if they did.

A number of teams are ranked fairly consistently, but some are viewed with wildly different eyes. Witt with 2 sixes and a 23?! Case with a nine and a not even in the poll? It is truly (as usual

) a weird year in D3.

Pat Coleman · October 10, 2017, 12:50:49 AM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2017, 12:14:21 AMCase with a nine and a not even in the poll?

The D3football.com Top 25 is pretty similar. Case's SOS is pretty abysmal, to be honest.

FCGrizzliesGrad · October 10, 2017, 01:30:46 AM

It's certainly an open year. Normally it seems like around the top 14-16 are pretty much agreed upon with some variance at the bottom.

I've always been a bit of an outlier. $:-\$ I have DelVal 5, Witt 6, Brockport 7, Wesley 8, Frostburg 9 but Hardin-Simmons 10, St Thomas 13, St Johns 14. This was the first week all season I've had CWRU on my ballot.

D3MAFAN · October 10, 2017, 11:02:09 AM

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on October 10, 2017, 01:30:46 AM
It's certainly an open year. Normally it seems like around the top 14-16 are pretty much agreed upon with some variance at the bottom.

I've always been a bit of an outlier. $:-\$ I have DelVal 5, Witt 6, Brockport 7, Wesley 8, Frostburg 9 but Hardin-Simmons 10, St Thomas 13, St Johns 14. This was the first week all season I've had CWRU on my ballot.

When I think its an open year, the playoff bracket that gets presented usually doesn't allow it be proven. With the lack of significant OOC games, you can never really play this team beat this team or play the common opponent game, such as i.e UW-Platteville >HSC and George Fox, thus saying that CNU is comparable to UW-Platteville. I know funding is a big part. However, we rarely see that cross-up match in playoffs.

jamtod · October 10, 2017, 11:15:16 AM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on October 10, 2017, 12:14:21 AM
Kinda surprised (though not shocked) that I was the ONLY voter for UWW. Three losses is hard to overcome, but folks: the Whitewater 'Reign of Terror' is over, but they are still a very dangrous team. Barring some very improbable results, they won't make the playoffs, but I guarantee no one would look forward to playing them if they did.

This comment on UWW and the ranking of St Thomas really demonstrate the differences in poll perspective. Do I think UW-W would be likely to beat a lot of these top 25 teams? Sure. Does their track record support it? Nah.

I am somewhat sympathetic to the arguments that St Thomas shouldn't be ranked so highly (I'm not going to complain that they are though). They are the only team in the top 25 with a loss to a now-unranked team. The transitive property only takes us so far and I would feel pretty good about UST facing any team outside of the top 3 here.

smedindy · October 10, 2017, 12:14:42 PM

I have no problem with ranking St. Thomas this high. Yes, they lost to a team 'outside the Top 25', but Stout's still a good team that caught St. Thomas at the right time. It's not like St. Thomas lost to Simpson or Buena Vista.