D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

FCGrizzliesGrad · October 31, 2017, 02:57:05 PM

1) Mary Hardin-Baylor 248 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) Mount Union 241 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 230 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) St Thomas 204 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7, 12)
5) Hardin-Simmons 200 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8)
6) Delaware Valley 189 ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 11, 11)
7) St John's 186 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 13)
8) Linfield 175 ( 4, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 12, 16)
9) Illinois Wesleyan 155 ( 6, 9, 9, 10, 11, 11, 11, 11, 13, 14)
10) Wittenberg 152 ( 5, 6, 8, 10, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 19)
11) North Central 144 ( 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 11, 13, 19, 19)
12) Wesley 143 ( 7, 9, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 13, 14, 19)
13) Brockport 134 ( 5, 6, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18)
14) Frostburg St 108 ( 9, 14, 14, 14, 15, 16, 16, 17, 18, 19)
15) Wash & Jeff 105 (10, 10, 13, 13, 15, 15, 16, 16, 21, --)
16) Case Western Reserve 103 (11, 12, 14, 14, 15, 15, 15, 16, 20, 25)
17) Wheaton 98 ( 9, 9, 12, 13, 16, 16, 18, 18, 25, --)
18) Wartburg 80 (12, 15, 17, 17, 17, 18, 18, 22, 22, 22)
19) Concordia-Moorhead 59 (15, 17, 17, 17, 20, 21, 21, 22, 25, --)
20) Berry 58 (15, 18, 19, 19, 19, 20, 20, 22, 24, --)
T21) Johns Hopkins 49 (17, 18, 20, 20, 21, 22, 22, 23, 23, 25)
T21) UW-Platteville 49 (14, 18, 18, 20, 21, 21, 23, 24, --, --)
23) George Fox 34 (12, 19, 20, 21, 24, --, --, --, --, --)
24) Springfield 28 (19, 20, 21, 23, 24, 24, 24, 25, --, --)
25) UW-Whitewater 21 (16, 17, 25, 25, --, --, --, --, --, --)

26) Salisbury 14 (22, 23, 23, 24, 24)
27) Trine 12 (23, 23, 23, 23)
28) Carthage 9 (22, 22, 25)
29) UW-La Crosse 6 (20)
T30) Monmouth 5 (21)
T30) Westminster (PA) 5 (21)
T32) Framingham St 2 (24)
T32) Husson 2 (24)
T34) Trinity (CT) 1 (25)
T34) Union 1 (25)

FCGrizzliesGrad · November 08, 2017, 06:27:47 PM

2017 Week 10 TOP 25 FAN POLL

# School Pts Prev
1) Mary Hardin-Baylor (8) 248 1
2) Mount Union (2) 241 2
3) UW-Oshkosh 231 3
4) St Thomas 203 4
5) Hardin-Simmons 201 5
6) Delaware Valley 189 6
7) St John's 187 7
8) Linfield 172 8
9) Illinois Wesleyan 154 9
10) North Central 152 11
11) Wittenberg 151 10
12) Wesley 145 12
13) Brockport 133 13
14) Washington & Jefferson 113 15
15) Case Western Reserve 109 16
16) Wheaton 102 17
17) Frostburg St 97 14
18) Wartburg 92 18
19) Concordia-Moorhead 64 19
T20) Berry 57 20
T20) Johns Hopkins 57 T21
22) Springfield 40 24
23) UW-Whitewater 33 25
24) Trine 20 NR
25) UW-La Crosse 17 NR

Dropped Out: UW-Platteville and George Fox

Also Receiving Votes: Salisbury (8), Monmouth (7), UW-Platteville (6), George Fox (5), Framingham St (4), Centre (3), Huntingdon (3), Plymouth St (3), Millikin (2), Chapman (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HansenRatings, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, Scots13, and smedindy

FCGrizzliesGrad · November 08, 2017, 06:42:27 PM

1) Mary Hardin-Baylor 248 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) Mount Union 241 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 231 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) St Thomas 203 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7, 12)
5) Hardin-Simmons 201 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8)
6) Delaware Valley 189 ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 11, 11)
7) St John's 187 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 13)
8) Linfield 172 ( 4, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 11, 12, 18)
9) Illinois Wesleyan 154 ( 6, 9, 9, 10, 10, 11, 11, 13, 13, 14)
10) North Central 152 ( 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 11, 16, 19)
11) Wittenberg 151 ( 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12, 12, 13, 13, 19)
12) Wesley 145 ( 7, 9, 9, 9, 11, 12, 12, 13, 14, 19)
13) Brockport 133 ( 5, 10, 10, 12, 13, 13, 14, 16, 16, 18)
14) Wash & Jeff 113 (10, 10, 13, 14, 15, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19)
15) Case Western Reserve 109 (11, 12, 14, 14, 14, 14, 15, 15, 17, 25)
16) Wheaton 102 ( 9, 9, 12, 13, 15, 15, 18, 19, 22, --)
17) Frostburg St 97 ( 9, 14, 15, 16, 16, 16, 16, 17, 22, 22)
18) Wartburg 92 (12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 17, 18, 19, 20, 20)
19) Concordia-Moorhead 64 (15, 17, 17, 18, 19, 19, 20, 22, 24, 25)
T20) Berry 57 (15, 17, 18, 18, 19, 21, 21, 22, --, --)
T20) Johns Hopkins 57 (17, 18, 19, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, 22, 23)
22) Springfield 40 (18, 20, 20, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, --, --)
23) UW-Whitewater 33 (16, 17, 20, 21, 23, --, --, --, --, --)
24) Trine 20 (21, 22, 23, 23, 23, 24, --, --, --, --)
25) UW-La Crosse 17 (20, 23, 23, 24, 24, 25, --, --, --, --)

26) Salisbury 8 (22, 24, 25, 25)
27) Monmouth 7 (21, 24)
28) UW-Platteville 6 (21, 25)
29) George Fox 5 (21)
30) Framingham St 4 (24, 24)
T31) Centre 3 (23)
T31) Huntingdon 3 (25, 25, 25)
T31) Plymouth St 3 (23)
34) Millikin 2 (24)
35) Chapman 1 (25)

Mr. Ypsi · November 08, 2017, 06:51:03 PM

So much for any reputation I had as a maverick - for the first time, all 25 teams on my ballot finished in the top 25! (Though some of them are fairly far from where I had them, and I'm still one of the two first place votes for UMU.)

FCGrizzliesGrad · November 08, 2017, 07:00:26 PM

Hasn't been much action here for a few weeks so I'll post my ballot.

1) Mary Hardin-Baylor 248 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) Mount Union 241 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 231 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) St Thomas 203 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7, 12)
5) Hardin-Simmons 201 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8)
6) Delaware Valley 189 ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 11, 11)
7) St John's 187 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 13)
8) Linfield 172 ( 4, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 11, 12, 18)
9) Illinois Wesleyan 154 ( 6, 9, 9, 10, 10, 11, 11, 13, 13, 14)
10) North Central 152 ( 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 11, 16, 19)
11) Wittenberg 151 ( 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12, 12, 13, 13, 19)
12) Wesley 145 ( 7, 9, 9, 9, 11, 12, 12, 13, 14, 19)
13) Brockport 133 ( 5, 10, 10, 12, 13, 13, 14, 16, 16, 18)
14) Wash & Jeff 113 (10, 10, 13, 14, 15, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19)
15) Case Western Reserve 109 (11, 12, 14, 14, 14, 14, 15, 15, 17, 25)
16) Wheaton 102 ( 9, 9, 12, 13, 15, 15, 18, 19, 22, --)
17) Frostburg St 97 ( 9, 14, 15, 16, 16, 16, 16, 17, 22, 22)
18) Wartburg 92 (12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 17, 18, 19, 20, 20)
19) Concordia-Moorhead 64 (15, 17, 17, 18, 19, 19, 20, 22, 24, 25)
T20) Berry 57 (15, 17, 18, 18, 19, 21, 21, 22, --, --)
T20) Johns Hopkins 57 (17, 18, 19, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, 22, 23)
22) Springfield 40 (18, 20, 20, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, --, --)
23) UW-Whitewater 33 (16, 17, 20, 21, 23, --, --, --, --, --)
24) Trine 20 (21, 22, 23, 23, 23, 24, --, --, --, --)
25) UW-La Crosse 17 (20, 23, 23, 24, 24, 25, --, --, --, --)

26) Salisbury 8 (22, 24, 25, 25)
27) Monmouth 7 (21, 24)
28) UW-Platteville 6 (21, 25)
29) George Fox 5 (21)
30) Framingham St 4 (24, 24)
T31) Centre 3 (23)
T31) Huntingdon 3 (25, 25, 25)
T31) Plymouth St 3 (23)
34) Millikin 2 (24)
35) Chapman 1 (25)

Lots of extremes on my ballot...
I'm the solo highest voter for Delaware Valley, Wesley, Brockport, Frostburg St, Berry and Centre plus joint lowest on Wash & Jeff and Framingham St
I'm the solo lowest voter for St Thomas, St John's, Linfield, Illinois Wesleyan, and Concordia-Moorhead and joint lowest on Hardin-Simmons

jamtod · November 08, 2017, 07:33:06 PM

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2017, 07:00:26 PM

Lots of extremes on my ballot...
I'm the solo highest voter for Delaware Valley, Wesley, Brockport, Frostburg St, Berry and Centre plus joint lowest on Wash & Jeff and Framingham St
I'm the solo lowest voter for St Thomas, St John's, Linfield, Illinois Wesleyan, and Concordia-Moorhead and joint lowest on Hardin-Simmons

#EastCoastBias

What's your justification for so many east teams so high?

Mr. Ypsi · November 08, 2017, 09:03:01 PM

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2017, 07:00:26 PM
Hasn't been much action here for a few weeks so I'll post my ballot.

1) Mary Hardin-Baylor 248 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) Mount Union 241 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 231 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) St Thomas 203 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7, 12)
5) Hardin-Simmons 201 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8)
6) Delaware Valley 189 ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 11, 11)
7) St John's 187 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 13)
8) Linfield 172 ( 4, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 11, 12, 18)
9) Illinois Wesleyan 154 ( 6, 9, 9, 10, 10, 11, 11, 13, 13, 14)
10) North Central 152 ( 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 11, 16, 19)
11) Wittenberg 151 ( 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12, 12, 13, 13, 19)
12) Wesley 145 ( 7, 9, 9, 9, 11, 12, 12, 13, 14, 19)
13) Brockport 133 ( 5, 10, 10, 12, 13, 13, 14, 16, 16, 18)
14) Wash & Jeff 113 (10, 10, 13, 14, 15, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19)
15) Case Western Reserve 109 (11, 12, 14, 14, 14, 14, 15, 15, 17, 25)
16) Wheaton 102 ( 9, 9, 12, 13, 15, 15, 18, 19, 22, --)
17) Frostburg St 97 ( 9, 14, 15, 16, 16, 16, 16, 17, 22, 22)
18) Wartburg 92 (12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 17, 18, 19, 20, 20)
19) Concordia-Moorhead 64 (15, 17, 17, 18, 19, 19, 20, 22, 24, 25)
T20) Berry 57 (15, 17, 18, 18, 19, 21, 21, 22, --, --)
T20) Johns Hopkins 57 (17, 18, 19, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, 22, 23)
22) Springfield 40 (18, 20, 20, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, --, --)
23) UW-Whitewater 33 (16, 17, 20, 21, 23, --, --, --, --, --)
24) Trine 20 (21, 22, 23, 23, 23, 24, --, --, --, --)
25) UW-La Crosse 17 (20, 23, 23, 24, 24, 25, --, --, --, --)

26) Salisbury 8 (22, 24, 25, 25)
27) Monmouth 7 (21, 24)
28) UW-Platteville 6 (21, 25)
29) George Fox 5 (21)
30) Framingham St 4 (24, 24)
T31) Centre 3 (23)
T31) Huntingdon 3 (25, 25, 25)
T31) Plymouth St 3 (23)
34) Millikin 2 (24)
35) Chapman 1 (25)

Lots of extremes on my ballot...
I'm the solo highest voter for Delaware Valley, Wesley, Brockport, Frostburg St, Berry and Centre plus joint lowest on Wash & Jeff and Framingham St
I'm the solo lowest voter for St Thomas, St John's, Linfield, Illinois Wesleyan, and Concordia-Moorhead and joint lowest on Hardin-Simmons

Eternal shame upon you, sir. May you have 60 straight gutter balls next Tuesday!

FCGrizzliesGrad · November 08, 2017, 09:08:52 PM

Del Val: beat Wesley, hasn't had any struggles and haven't given up more than 19 points (against Wesley) all year.
Brockport: while not having that signature win that DelVal has, does have a nice overall resume with wins over a quartet of good 6-3 teams
Wesley: besides the 5 point loss to a Del Val team I have top 5, have beaten both Frostburg and Salisbury (who are solid teams) while holding everyone else to single digit points.
Frostburg: I could see as being a few spots high. They just drifted up the first half of the year as teams lost. Even though they've dropped a couple spots from their highwater mark on my ballot I think I'll have to correct it next week as their season doesn't look quite as good as I once thought.
After that the only other east teams I have are unbeaten Springfield at 20 and Framingham St at 24

St Thomas's loss to Stout is one of the worst losses (by team not score) by anyone on my ballot (the only other one might be Framingham St losing to Plymouth St). They've played just 3 teams with a winning record this season one of them being the loss to Stout. St John's is pretty similar and have no results that make me want to put them ahead of St Thomas. They've been handcuffed right behind them since they played week 4.

HansenRatings · November 08, 2017, 10:27:41 PM

I'm intrigued, Grizz.

Hypothetical for you: Del Val vs. UST on a neutral field, how would you set the spread? #4 vs. #12, essentially a national tournament semifinalist vs. a team losing in the second round, would be at least a 10-point spread for me on a neutral field, probably 12.5 or so.

wm4 · November 08, 2017, 10:43:17 PM

That's the bummer about D3, next to nothing in terms of intersectional match ups. Candidly, I don't know jack about teams out East because I've never been able to see any of them in person. Wish there were more options to do so. The same goes for those out East, they have no way to judge the size, speed or depth of midestern teams. The good news is that all sorts itself out in the playoffs, it's a shame we have to wait that long.

I will say, after watching tons of midwest games up close, the one thing that really stands out for me is you can tell a WIAC team when the come out of the tunnel. The are bigger across the board than any other type of team I've seen.

FCGrizzliesGrad · November 09, 2017, 12:03:17 AM

Quote from: HansenRatings on November 08, 2017, 10:27:41 PM
I'm intrigued, Grizz.

Hypothetical for you: Del Val vs. UST on a neutral field, how would you set the spread? #4 vs. #12, essentially a national tournament semifinalist vs. a team losing in the second round, would be at least a 10-point spread for me on a neutral field, probably 12.5 or so.

If I was setting the spread for others to pick I'd probably have St Thomas favored by about a TD. As for me personally I'd take DelVal if they were giving a FG. But really that's the case for pretty much any two teams from that mix. Any of the teams I have from 4 down to at least 14 (15-19 aren't that far behind either) I think would win at least 3 or 4 if they played 10 times against any of the others.

emma17 · November 10, 2017, 10:59:55 AM

Griz, I admire your transparency.
I get the feeling you don't allow any part of prior year performances to enter into your ranking- is that an accurate statement? I'm not debating your choice to do so.

Is it your view that there are 17 teams that would beat Linfield 6 out of 10 Times?
Similarly, UWW wouldn't beat any of your top 25 teams 6 out of 10 Times?

MRMIKESMITH · November 10, 2017, 11:43:46 AM

Quote from: jamtoTommie on November 08, 2017, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2017, 07:00:26 PM

Lots of extremes on my ballot...
I'm the solo highest voter for Delaware Valley, Wesley, Brockport, Frostburg St, Berry and Centre plus joint lowest on Wash & Jeff and Framingham St
I'm the solo lowest voter for St Thomas, St John's, Linfield, Illinois Wesleyan, and Concordia-Moorhead and joint lowest on Hardin-Simmons

#EastCoastBias

What's your justification for so many east teams so high?

No one is ever bias. Not on the D3 Fan Poll Committee. Ha, I pretty sure you guys votes even's it out.

jamtod · November 10, 2017, 11:55:14 AM

Quote from: MANDGSU on November 10, 2017, 11:43:46 AM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on November 08, 2017, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 08, 2017, 07:00:26 PM

Lots of extremes on my ballot...
I'm the solo highest voter for Delaware Valley, Wesley, Brockport, Frostburg St, Berry and Centre plus joint lowest on Wash & Jeff and Framingham St
I'm the solo lowest voter for St Thomas, St John's, Linfield, Illinois Wesleyan, and Concordia-Moorhead and joint lowest on Hardin-Simmons

#EastCoastBias

What's your justification for so many east teams so high?

No one is ever bias. Not on the D3 Fan Poll Committee. Ha, I pretty sure you guys votes even's it out.

I just hope that the D3 Fan Poll Committee can recognize their biases and overcome or counteract them when it comes to casting their votes :-) The question of where the top east teams fall in the national picture will get settled on the field in the playoffs. I just hope that it's at the hands of somebody other than Mount Union, who has been known to crush everyone's hopes and dreams most years.

FCGrizzliesGrad · November 10, 2017, 03:13:29 PM

Quote from: emma17 on November 10, 2017, 10:59:55 AM
Griz, I admire your transparency.
I get the feeling you don't allow any part of prior year performances to enter into your ranking- is that an accurate statement? I'm not debating your choice to do so.

Is it your view that there are 17 teams that would beat Linfield 6 out of 10 Times?
Similarly, UWW wouldn't beat any of your top 25 teams 6 out of 10 Times?

Early in the season perhaps past years might factor in a bit but at this point there's plenty of data about the current year that you don't really need to look back.
With the way Linfield has played the past few weeks probably more than 17 could beat them.
I have Concordia-Moorhead at 25 and they did beat UWW

They're certainly the best 3 loss team and not too far off my ballot