D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

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emma17

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2017, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 10, 2017, 10:59:55 AM
Griz, I admire your transparency.
I get the feeling you don't allow any part of prior year performances to enter into your ranking- is that an accurate statement? I'm not debating your choice to do so.

Is it your view that there are 17 teams that would beat Linfield 6 out of 10 Times?
Similarly, UWW wouldn't beat any of your top 25 teams 6 out of 10 Times?
Early in the season perhaps past years might factor in a bit but at this point there's plenty of data about the current year that you don't really need to look back.
With the way Linfield has played the past few weeks probably more than 17 could beat them.
I have Concordia-Moorhead at 25 and they did beat UWW ;) They're certainly the best 3 loss team and not too far off my ballot

Well, "could" beat them isn't really the point. Would they "likely" beat them? W&J, Case, Frostburg and Berry would all likely beat Linfield?

FCGrizzliesGrad

Quote from: emma17 on November 10, 2017, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2017, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 10, 2017, 10:59:55 AM
Griz, I admire your transparency.
I get the feeling you don't allow any part of prior year performances to enter into your ranking- is that an accurate statement? I'm not debating your choice to do so.

Is it your view that there are 17 teams that would beat Linfield 6 out of 10 Times?
Similarly, UWW wouldn't beat any of your top 25 teams 6 out of 10 Times?
Early in the season perhaps past years might factor in a bit but at this point there's plenty of data about the current year that you don't really need to look back.
With the way Linfield has played the past few weeks probably more than 17 could beat them.
I have Concordia-Moorhead at 25 and they did beat UWW ;) They're certainly the best 3 loss team and not too far off my ballot

Well, "could" beat them isn't really the point. Would they "likely" beat them? W&J, Case, Frostburg and Berry would all likely beat Linfield?
I don't know that I'd necessarily say "likely" but yeah I'd take those teams to win 5 or 6 out of 10. Definitely wouldn't have said that a month ago though.
Of course now that I've said that, Linfield will get their mojo back and make a run in the playoffs just to prove me wrong ::)
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Mr. Ypsi

Has DIII outlawed upsets?  Except for minor tinkering, my ballot this week will be the same as last week, which was remarkably similar to my ballot of the previous week!

edward de vere

I was thinking the same thing.  There has been a remarkable lack of top-25 upsets the last few weeks of the season.

FCGrizzliesGrad

               2017 Week 11 TOP 25 FAN POLL

  #         School                Pts   Prev

  1)   Mary Hardin-Baylor (8)     248     1
  2)   Mount Union (2)            241     2
  3)   UW-Oshkosh                 231     3
  4)   Hardin-Simmons             205     5
  5)   St Thomas                  200     4
  6)   Delaware Valley            192     6
  7)   St John's                  185     7
  8)   Linfield                   172     8
  9)   Illinois Wesleyan          156     9
10)   North Central              150    10
11)   Wesley                     149    12
12)   Wittenberg                 147    11
13)   Brockport                  141    13
14)   Washington & Jefferson     111    14
15)   Wartburg                    98    18
16)   Wheaton                     97    16
17)   Frostburg St                88    17
18)   Case Western Reserve        79    15
19)   Concordia-Moorhead          67    19
20)   Berry                       54   T20
T21)   Johns Hopkins               52   T20
T21)   Springfield                 52    22
23)   UW-Whitewater               46    23
24)   Trine                       24    24
25)   UW-La Crosse                17    25


Dropped Out: none

Also Receiving Votes: Salisbury (12), UW-Platteville (8), Monmouth (7), RPI (6), George Fox (5), Centre (3), Framingham St (2), Plymouth St (2), Franklin & Marshall (1), Huntingdon (1), W New England (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HansenRatings, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, Scots13, and smedindy
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  1)   Mary Hardin-Baylor    248     ( 1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  2,  2)
  2)   Mount Union           241     ( 1,  1,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  3)
  3)   UW-Oshkosh            231     ( 2,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3)
  4)   Hardin-Simmons        205     ( 4,  4,  4,  4,  5,  5,  6,  7,  8,  8)
  5)   St Thomas             200     ( 4,  4,  4,  4,  5,  7,  7,  7,  7, 11)
  6)   Delaware Valley       192     ( 4,  5,  6,  6,  6,  7,  7,  7,  9, 11)
  7)   St John's             185     ( 5,  6,  6,  6,  8,  8,  8,  8,  8, 12)
  8)   Linfield              172     ( 4,  5,  5,  6,  7, 10, 11, 11, 12, 17)
  9)   Illinois Wesleyan     156     ( 6,  9,  9, 10, 11, 11, 11, 12, 12, 13)
10)   North Central         150     ( 8,  8,  9,  9, 10, 10, 10, 12, 16, 18)
11)   Wesley                149     ( 7,  9,  9,  9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17)
12)   Wittenberg            147     ( 5,  6,  8, 10, 12, 12, 13, 13, 15, 19)
13)   Brockport             141     ( 5,  5, 10, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18)
14)   Wash & Jeff           111     ( 9, 10, 13, 14, 14, 16, 18, 18, 18, 19)
15)   Wartburg               98     (12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 16, 18, 19, 19, 20)
16)   Wheaton                97     ( 9, 11, 13, 15, 15, 16, 18, 19, 21, --)
17)   Frostburg St           88     (14, 14, 16, 16, 16, 16, 17, 19, 22, 22)
18)   Case Western Reserve   79     (11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 21, 21, 25, --)
19)   Concordia-Moorhead     67     (14, 15, 15, 17, 18, 19, 22, 23, 24, --)
20)   Berry                  54     (15, 17, 17, 20, 20, 20, 22, 23, --, --)
T21)   Johns Hopkins          52     (17, 18, 19, 21, 21, 21, 22, 23, 23, 23)
T21)   Springfield            52     (13, 19, 19, 20, 20, 20, 22, 24, 25, --)
23)   UW-Whitewater          46     (14, 15, 17, 21, 22, 22, 25, --, --, --)
24)   Trine                  24     (20, 22, 22, 23, 23, 24, 25, 25, --, --)
25)   UW-La Crosse           17     (20, 23, 23, 24, 24, 25, --, --, --, --)

26)   Salisbury              12     (16, 24)
27)   UW-Platteville          8     (21, 24, 25)
28)   Monmouth                7     (21, 24)
29)   RPI                     6     (20)
30)   George Fox              5     (21)
31)   Centre                  3     (23)
T32)   Framingham St           2     (24)
T32)   Plymouth St             2     (24)
T34)   Franklin & Marshall     1     (25)
T34)   Huntingdon              1     (25)
T34)   W New England           1     (25)
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FCGrizzliesGrad

There will be a final poll coming... I have 6 ballots in so far. Hopefully the last few haven't already begun hibernating until next season :D
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MRMIKESMITH

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 19, 2017, 04:35:39 AM
There will be a final poll coming... I have 6 ballots in so far. Hopefully the last few haven't already begun hibernating until next season :D

Looking forward to how the fan vote differs from that of DIII, I would presume, it would be very similar except more teams from West higher.

FCGrizzliesGrad

I haven't been able to get any word from one person so we finish with just 9 voters.


             2017 FINAL TOP 25 FAN POLL

  #         School                Pts   Prev
  1)   Mount Union (8)            224     2
  2)   Mary Hardin-Baylor (1)     215     1
  3)   UW-Oshkosh                 208     3
  4)   St Thomas                  192     5
  5)   Brockport                  186    13
  6)   Linfield                   171     8
  7)   Delaware Valley            166     6
  8)   Wartburg                   162    15
  9)   North Central              156    10
10)   Frostburg St               141    17
11)   Hardin-Simmons             138     4
12)   Wesley                     121    11
13)   St John's                  115     7
14)   Case Western Reserve       111    18
15)   Wash & Jeff                 85    14
T16)   Berry                       84    20
T16)   Illinois Wesleyan           84     9
18)   Wheaton                     65    16
19)   Wittenberg                  57    12
20)   Trine                       52    24
21)   Concordia-Moorhead          48    19
22)   Johns Hopkins               42   T21
23)   UW-Whitewater               29    23
T24)   Husson                      24    NR
T24)   UW-La Crosse                24    25


Dropped Out: Springfield

Also Receiving Votes: Franklin (6), Springfield (6), Centre (3), Framingham St (3), Ithaca (2), Monmouth (2), Franklin & Marshall (1), RPI (1), UW-Platteville (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, Scots13, and smedindy
.

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1x: Bracket, OAC:S

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2015 Nat'l Pickem
2017: LEC and MIAA Pickem
2019: MIAA and WIAC Pickem

Soccer
2023: Mens Pickem

FCGrizzliesGrad

  1)   Mount Union           224     ( 1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  2)
  2)   Mary Hardin-Baylor    215     ( 1,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  3,  3)
  3)   UW-Oshkosh            208     ( 2,  2,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  4)
  4)   St Thomas             192     ( 4,  4,  4,  4,  4,  4,  5,  6,  7)
  5)   Brockport             186     ( 3,  4,  5,  5,  5,  5,  5,  7,  9)
  6)   Linfield              171     ( 4,  6,  6,  6,  6,  6,  8, 10, 11)
  7)   Delaware Valley       166     ( 5,  6,  6,  7,  7,  7,  9, 10, 11)
  8)   Wartburg              162     ( 5,  6,  7,  8,  8,  8,  9, 10, 11)
  9)   North Central         156     ( 5,  7,  8,  8,  8,  9, 10, 11, 12)
10)   Frostburg St          141     ( 8,  9,  9, 10, 10, 11, 11, 12, 13)
11)   Hardin-Simmons        138     ( 7,  8,  9, 10, 10, 10, 13, 14, 15)
12)   Wesley                121     ( 7, 11, 12, 12, 13, 13, 14, 15, 16)
13)   St John's             115     ( 9, 11, 12, 13, 13, 13, 15, 16, 17)
14)   Case Western Reserve  111     (12, 12, 12, 14, 14, 14, 14, 15, 16)
15)   Wash & Jeff            85     ( 9, 15, 16, 16, 17, 18, 19, 19, 20)
T16)   Berry                  84     (12, 13, 14, 16, 17, 18, 19, 19, 22)
T16)   Illinois Wesleyan      84     (14, 15, 15, 16, 17, 17, 18, 18, 20)
18)   Wheaton                65     (11, 16, 17, 17, 18, 19, 21, 23, 24)
19)   Wittenberg             57     (13, 15, 18, 18, 19, 21, 21, --, --)
20)   Trine                  52     (14, 19, 19, 20, 21, 21, 22, 22, 24)
21)   Concordia-Moorhead     48     (15, 17, 18, 20, 20, 22, 24, 24, --)
22)   Johns Hopkins          42     (19, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, 22, 23, 24)
23)   UW-Whitewater          29     (16, 18, 21, 23, 23, --, --, --, --)
T24)   Husson                 24     (20, 20, 21, 22, 25, 25, 25, --, --)
T24)   UW-La Crosse           24     (17, 22, 23, 23, 23, 24, --, --, --)

T26)   Franklin                6     (21, 25)
T26)   Springfield             6     (22, 25, 25)
T28)   Centre                  3     (23)
T28)   Framingham St           3     (23)
T30)   Ithaca                  2     (24)
T30)   Monmouth                2     (24)
T32)   Franklin & Marshall     1     (25)
T32)   RPI                     1     (25)
T32)   UW-Platteville          1     (25)
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FCGrizzliesGrad

Comparing the top 27 teams in the fan poll and the D3Football poll doesn't show much difference. The only team more than 2 places different was Wheaton who was 4 spots higher in the fan poll.

.
.
.
F
an
D
3F
Team
Playoffs
.
Rank
Points
Rank
Points
Mount Union
C
.
1
224
1
625
Mary Hardin-Baylor
F
.
2
215
2
597
UW-Oshkosh
SF
.
3
208
3
577
St Thomas
QF
.
4
192
4
537
Brockport
SF
.
5
186
5
513
Linfield
R2
.
6
171
6
469
Delaware Valley
QF
.
7
166
7
454
Wartburg
QF
.
8
162
10
404
North Central
R2
.
9
156
8
409
Frostburg St
QF
.
10
141
9
405

Hardin-Simmons
R1
.
11
138
11
388
Wesley
R2
.
12
121
12
351
St John's
R1
.
13
115
14
295
Case Western Reserve
R2
.
14
111
13
312
Wash & Jeff
R2
.
15
85
16
264
Berry
R2
.
T16
84
15
275
Illinois Wesleyan
R1
.
T16
84
17
208
Wheaton
NP
.
18
65
22
87
Wittenberg
R1
.
19
57
18
165
Trine
R2
.
20
52
19
129

Concordia-Moorhead
NP
.
21
48
21
94
Johns Hopkins
R1
.
22
42
20
120
UW-Whitewater
NP
.
23
29
23
85
Husson
R2
.
T24
24
T25
66
UW-La Crosse
NP
.
T24
24
24
84
Franklin
R1
.
T26
6
T25
66
Springfield
R1
.
T26
6
27
54
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5 titles: CCIW, NJAC, ODAC:S
3x: ASC, IIAC, MIAA:S, MIAC, NACC:S, NCAC, OAC:P, Nat'l
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1x: Bracket, OAC:S

Basketball
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2015 Nat'l Pickem
2017: LEC and MIAA Pickem
2019: MIAA and WIAC Pickem

Soccer
2023: Mens Pickem

HScoach

Interesting.  Like to hear the logic behind MHB at #1 .
I find easily offended people rather offensive!

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Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: HScoach on December 25, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
Interesting.  Like to hear the logic behind MHB at #1 .

Likewise.  I feel retroactively vindicated for voting UMU #1 all season long. ;)

I'm also curious about the two extreme votes on Brockport.  I (like most here and on the 'official' poll) had them 5th.  4th and 7th can justifiably be argued.  3rd and 9th seem a bit off-the-wall.

hsbsballcoach7

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 25, 2017, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: HScoach on December 25, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
Interesting.  Like to hear the logic behind MHB at #1 .

Likewise.  I feel retroactively vindicated for voting UMU #1 all season long. ;)

I'm also curious about the two extreme votes on Brockport.  I (like most here and on the 'official' poll) had them 5th.  4th and 7th can justifiably be argued.  3rd and 9th seem a bit off-the-wall.

Agreed and concur on all points.

smedindy

Hi,

The rationale was that I screwed up and didn't flip my top 2. So really, Mt. Union should have 225 and UMHB 214. Alas.
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