D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

emma17 · November 10, 2017, 07:14:30 PM

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2017, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 10, 2017, 10:59:55 AM
Griz, I admire your transparency.
I get the feeling you don't allow any part of prior year performances to enter into your ranking- is that an accurate statement? I'm not debating your choice to do so.

Is it your view that there are 17 teams that would beat Linfield 6 out of 10 Times?
Similarly, UWW wouldn't beat any of your top 25 teams 6 out of 10 Times?
Early in the season perhaps past years might factor in a bit but at this point there's plenty of data about the current year that you don't really need to look back.
With the way Linfield has played the past few weeks probably more than 17 could beat them.
I have Concordia-Moorhead at 25 and they did beat UWW They're certainly the best 3 loss team and not too far off my ballot

Well, "could" beat them isn't really the point. Would they "likely" beat them? W&J, Case, Frostburg and Berry would all likely beat Linfield?

FCGrizzliesGrad · November 11, 2017, 02:12:23 AM

Quote from: emma17 on November 10, 2017, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on November 10, 2017, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: emma17 on November 10, 2017, 10:59:55 AM
Griz, I admire your transparency.
I get the feeling you don't allow any part of prior year performances to enter into your ranking- is that an accurate statement? I'm not debating your choice to do so.

Is it your view that there are 17 teams that would beat Linfield 6 out of 10 Times?
Similarly, UWW wouldn't beat any of your top 25 teams 6 out of 10 Times?
Early in the season perhaps past years might factor in a bit but at this point there's plenty of data about the current year that you don't really need to look back.
With the way Linfield has played the past few weeks probably more than 17 could beat them.
I have Concordia-Moorhead at 25 and they did beat UWW They're certainly the best 3 loss team and not too far off my ballot

Well, "could" beat them isn't really the point. Would they "likely" beat them? W&J, Case, Frostburg and Berry would all likely beat Linfield?

I don't know that I'd necessarily say "likely" but yeah I'd take those teams to win 5 or 6 out of 10. Definitely wouldn't have said that a month ago though.
Of course now that I've said that, Linfield will get their mojo back and make a run in the playoffs just to prove me wrong

Mr. Ypsi · November 11, 2017, 08:48:28 PM

Has DIII outlawed upsets? Except for minor tinkering, my ballot this week will be the same as last week, which was remarkably similar to my ballot of the previous week!

edward de vere · November 11, 2017, 09:25:42 PM

I was thinking the same thing. There has been a remarkable lack of top-25 upsets the last few weeks of the season.

FCGrizzliesGrad · November 15, 2017, 06:28:12 PM

2017 Week 11 TOP 25 FAN POLL

# School Pts Prev
1) Mary Hardin-Baylor (8) 248 1
2) Mount Union (2) 241 2
3) UW-Oshkosh 231 3
4) Hardin-Simmons 205 5
5) St Thomas 200 4
6) Delaware Valley 192 6
7) St John's 185 7
8) Linfield 172 8
9) Illinois Wesleyan 156 9
10) North Central 150 10
11) Wesley 149 12
12) Wittenberg 147 11
13) Brockport 141 13
14) Washington & Jefferson 111 14
15) Wartburg 98 18
16) Wheaton 97 16
17) Frostburg St 88 17
18) Case Western Reserve 79 15
19) Concordia-Moorhead 67 19
20) Berry 54 T20
T21) Johns Hopkins 52 T20
T21) Springfield 52 22
23) UW-Whitewater 46 23
24) Trine 24 24
25) UW-La Crosse 17 25

Dropped Out: none

Also Receiving Votes: Salisbury (12), UW-Platteville (8), Monmouth (7), RPI (6), George Fox (5), Centre (3), Framingham St (2), Plymouth St (2), Franklin & Marshall (1), Huntingdon (1), W New England (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HansenRatings, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, Scots13, and smedindy

FCGrizzliesGrad · November 15, 2017, 06:42:50 PM

1) Mary Hardin-Baylor 248 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2)
2) Mount Union 241 ( 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 231 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4) Hardin-Simmons 205 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8)
5) St Thomas 200 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 7, 7, 7, 7, 11)
6) Delaware Valley 192 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 9, 11)
7) St John's 185 ( 5, 6, 6, 6, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 12)
8) Linfield 172 ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 11, 12, 17)
9) Illinois Wesleyan 156 ( 6, 9, 9, 10, 11, 11, 11, 12, 12, 13)
10) North Central 150 ( 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 12, 16, 18)
11) Wesley 149 ( 7, 9, 9, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17)
12) Wittenberg 147 ( 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 12, 13, 13, 15, 19)
13) Brockport 141 ( 5, 5, 10, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18)
14) Wash & Jeff 111 ( 9, 10, 13, 14, 14, 16, 18, 18, 18, 19)
15) Wartburg 98 (12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 16, 18, 19, 19, 20)
16) Wheaton 97 ( 9, 11, 13, 15, 15, 16, 18, 19, 21, --)
17) Frostburg St 88 (14, 14, 16, 16, 16, 16, 17, 19, 22, 22)
18) Case Western Reserve 79 (11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 21, 21, 25, --)
19) Concordia-Moorhead 67 (14, 15, 15, 17, 18, 19, 22, 23, 24, --)
20) Berry 54 (15, 17, 17, 20, 20, 20, 22, 23, --, --)
T21) Johns Hopkins 52 (17, 18, 19, 21, 21, 21, 22, 23, 23, 23)
T21) Springfield 52 (13, 19, 19, 20, 20, 20, 22, 24, 25, --)
23) UW-Whitewater 46 (14, 15, 17, 21, 22, 22, 25, --, --, --)
24) Trine 24 (20, 22, 22, 23, 23, 24, 25, 25, --, --)
25) UW-La Crosse 17 (20, 23, 23, 24, 24, 25, --, --, --, --)

26) Salisbury 12 (16, 24)
27) UW-Platteville 8 (21, 24, 25)
28) Monmouth 7 (21, 24)
29) RPI 6 (20)
30) George Fox 5 (21)
31) Centre 3 (23)
T32) Framingham St 2 (24)
T32) Plymouth St 2 (24)
T34) Franklin & Marshall 1 (25)
T34) Huntingdon 1 (25)
T34) W New England 1 (25)

FCGrizzliesGrad · December 19, 2017, 04:35:39 AM

There will be a final poll coming... I have 6 ballots in so far. Hopefully the last few haven't already begun hibernating until next season

MRMIKESMITH · December 19, 2017, 01:35:27 PM

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on December 19, 2017, 04:35:39 AM
There will be a final poll coming... I have 6 ballots in so far. Hopefully the last few haven't already begun hibernating until next season

Looking forward to how the fan vote differs from that of DIII, I would presume, it would be very similar except more teams from West higher.

FCGrizzliesGrad · December 25, 2017, 05:15:05 AM

I haven't been able to get any word from one person so we finish with just 9 voters.

2017 FINAL TOP 25 FAN POLL

# School Pts Prev
1) Mount Union (8) 224 2
2) Mary Hardin-Baylor (1) 215 1
3) UW-Oshkosh 208 3
4) St Thomas 192 5
5) Brockport 186 13
6) Linfield 171 8
7) Delaware Valley 166 6
8) Wartburg 162 15
9) North Central 156 10
10) Frostburg St 141 17
11) Hardin-Simmons 138 4
12) Wesley 121 11
13) St John's 115 7
14) Case Western Reserve 111 18
15) Wash & Jeff 85 14
T16) Berry 84 20
T16) Illinois Wesleyan 84 9
18) Wheaton 65 16
19) Wittenberg 57 12
20) Trine 52 24
21) Concordia-Moorhead 48 19
22) Johns Hopkins 42 T21
23) UW-Whitewater 29 23
T24) Husson 24 NR
T24) UW-La Crosse 24 25

Dropped Out: Springfield

Also Receiving Votes: Franklin (6), Springfield (6), Centre (3), Framingham St (3), Ithaca (2), Monmouth (2), Franklin & Marshall (1), RPI (1), UW-Platteville (1)

Voters: 02 Warhawk, D3MAFAN, desertcat1, FCGrizzliesGrad, HSCTiger74, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, Scots13, and smedindy

FCGrizzliesGrad · December 25, 2017, 05:31:16 AM

1) Mount Union 224 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2) Mary Hardin-Baylor 215 ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
3) UW-Oshkosh 208 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) St Thomas 192 ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 7)
5) Brockport 186 ( 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 7, 9)
6) Linfield 171 ( 4, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8, 10, 11)
7) Delaware Valley 166 ( 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 9, 10, 11)
8) Wartburg 162 ( 5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 10, 11)
9) North Central 156 ( 5, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12)
10) Frostburg St 141 ( 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 11, 11, 12, 13)
11) Hardin-Simmons 138 ( 7, 8, 9, 10, 10, 10, 13, 14, 15)
12) Wesley 121 ( 7, 11, 12, 12, 13, 13, 14, 15, 16)
13) St John's 115 ( 9, 11, 12, 13, 13, 13, 15, 16, 17)
14) Case Western Reserve 111 (12, 12, 12, 14, 14, 14, 14, 15, 16)
15) Wash & Jeff 85 ( 9, 15, 16, 16, 17, 18, 19, 19, 20)
T16) Berry 84 (12, 13, 14, 16, 17, 18, 19, 19, 22)
T16) Illinois Wesleyan 84 (14, 15, 15, 16, 17, 17, 18, 18, 20)
18) Wheaton 65 (11, 16, 17, 17, 18, 19, 21, 23, 24)
19) Wittenberg 57 (13, 15, 18, 18, 19, 21, 21, --, --)
20) Trine 52 (14, 19, 19, 20, 21, 21, 22, 22, 24)
21) Concordia-Moorhead 48 (15, 17, 18, 20, 20, 22, 24, 24, --)
22) Johns Hopkins 42 (19, 20, 20, 21, 21, 22, 22, 23, 24)
23) UW-Whitewater 29 (16, 18, 21, 23, 23, --, --, --, --)
T24) Husson 24 (20, 20, 21, 22, 25, 25, 25, --, --)
T24) UW-La Crosse 24 (17, 22, 23, 23, 23, 24, --, --, --)

T26) Franklin 6 (21, 25)
T26) Springfield 6 (22, 25, 25)
T28) Centre 3 (23)
T28) Framingham St 3 (23)
T30) Ithaca 2 (24)
T30) Monmouth 2 (24)
T32) Franklin & Marshall 1 (25)
T32) RPI 1 (25)
T32) UW-Platteville 1 (25)

FCGrizzliesGrad · December 25, 2017, 06:00:00 AM

Comparing the top 27 teams in the fan poll and the D3Football poll doesn't show much difference. The only team more than 2 places different was Wheaton who was 4 spots higher in the fan poll.

.	.	.	F	an	D	3F
Team	Playoffs	.	Rank	Points	Rank	Points
Mount Union	C	.	1	224	1	625
Mary Hardin-Baylor	F	.	2	215	2	597
UW-Oshkosh	SF	.	3	208	3	577
St Thomas	QF	.	4	192	4	537
Brockport	SF	.	5	186	5	513
Linfield	R2	.	6	171	6	469
Delaware Valley	QF	.	7	166	7	454
Wartburg	QF	.	8	162	10	404
North Central	R2	.	9	156	8	409
Frostburg St	QF	.	10	141	9	405
Hardin-Simmons	R1	.	11	138	11	388
Wesley	R2	.	12	121	12	351
St John's	R1	.	13	115	14	295
Case Western Reserve	R2	.	14	111	13	312
Wash & Jeff	R2	.	15	85	16	264
Berry	R2	.	T16	84	15	275
Illinois Wesleyan	R1	.	T16	84	17	208
Wheaton	NP	.	18	65	22	87
Wittenberg	R1	.	19	57	18	165
Trine	R2	.	20	52	19	129
Concordia-Moorhead	NP	.	21	48	21	94
Johns Hopkins	R1	.	22	42	20	120
UW-Whitewater	NP	.	23	29	23	85
Husson	R2	.	T24	24	T25	66
UW-La Crosse	NP	.	T24	24	24	84
Franklin	R1	.	T26	6	T25	66
Springfield	R1	.	T26	6	27	54

HScoach · December 25, 2017, 09:38:02 PM

Interesting. Like to hear the logic behind MHB at #1 .

Mr. Ypsi · December 25, 2017, 11:02:18 PM

Quote from: HScoach on December 25, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
Interesting. Like to hear the logic behind MHB at #1 .

Likewise. I feel retroactively vindicated for voting UMU #1 all season long.

I'm also curious about the two extreme votes on Brockport. I (like most here and on the 'official' poll) had them 5th. 4th and 7th can justifiably be argued. 3rd and 9th seem a bit off-the-wall.

hsbsballcoach7 · December 26, 2017, 11:20:52 AM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 25, 2017, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: HScoach on December 25, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
Interesting. Like to hear the logic behind MHB at #1 .

Likewise. I feel retroactively vindicated for voting UMU #1 all season long.

I'm also curious about the two extreme votes on Brockport. I (like most here and on the 'official' poll) had them 5th. 4th and 7th can justifiably be argued. 3rd and 9th seem a bit off-the-wall.

Agreed and concur on all points.

smedindy · December 27, 2017, 06:52:51 PM

Hi,

The rationale was that I screwed up and didn't flip my top 2. So really, Mt. Union should have 225 and UMHB 214. Alas.