D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

[bleedpurple]

Any "quality" wins?

With such a short schedule, backloaded schedules, and many conferences only having one non-conference game, the idea of 'quality' wins as the be-all for rankings isn't the way to go.

Many times, a schedule looks to have a quality team only to have them circling the drain by the time you play them.

Beating Platteville on the road, though, is quality.

The UW-0/UW-P game was in Oshkosh.  But I do think on the whole that is still a quality win.

[smedindy]

Derp.

[bleedpurple]

This is probably only tangentially germane to this board, but I just did some "for the heck of it" research for the Top 5 ranked teams by d3football.com.  I looked at each team's schedule and replaced the name of their opponent with their Kickoff Ranking.  Obviously, that was before the season and things have changed. But I thought it would be interesting to see the relative strength of schedules just based on those rankings. (Sorry for the word processing column snafus)

Mount Union
     79
   37
   26
   77
   184
   194
    49
     36
   152
   115

UMHB

        93
        179
   48
   41
   10
   172   
   198
   159
   190
        54


Brockport    State
   43
   28
   148
        110
        149
   34
   85
   75
   46
   133

St. Johns   
   80
   130
   230
   163
   64
   3
   122
   30      
   186
          31

UWW
           53   
           30
      27
            4
      74
      55
      80
      81
      16

Highest Two Ranked Opponents:

Mt. Union: 26, 36
UMHB:      10, 41
Brockport  28, 34
St. Johns    3, 30
UWW         4, 16

Lowest Two Ranked Opponents:

Mt. Union:  194, 184
UMHB:       198,  190
Brockport:   149, 148
St. Johns     230, 186
UWW          81, 80


Number of Opponents Ranked worse than #100:

Mount Union:  4
UMHB:           5
Brockport:     4
St. johns       5
UWW            0

[bleedpurple]

Another grouping from the above list.  After isolating the two highest ranked and two lowest ranked opponents for each team, what about the rest. I guess that could be the meat of the schedule.  So, throwing out the two highest and lowest ranked opponent, here is how the rest of the opponents rank for the Top 5 teams.

Mount Union
37
49
77
79
115
152

UMHB
48
54
93
159
172
179

BROCKPORT STATE
43
46
75
85
110
133

ST. JOHNS
31
64
80
122
130
163

UW-W
27
30
53
55
74

[wally_wabash]

This all illustrates that Kickoff thinks the WIAC is the deepest conference in the division.  Which we already knew. 

[bleedpurple]

This all illustrates that Kickoff thinks the WIAC is the deepest conference in the division.  Which we already knew.

Very true. When I started this little venture, I wasn't sure what it would look like.  I was surprised by how well Brockport and Mount's schedule stacked up with UMHB.

[Greggers]

How does one really rank and tell apart a team rated like 50-150 in D3. There is such little coverage and so many unknowns that it is nearly impossible to know how one average team is better than another average team in D3

[jamtod]

How does one really rank and tell apart a team rated like 50-150 in D3. There is such little coverage and so many unknowns that it is nearly impossible to know how one average team is better than another average team in D3

There is enough data out there with OOC (and over the course of a few years) and playoffs that we can get a pretty decent handle on who is the #50 team vs #150. Also helps that there is a very very wide gap between the haves and have nots in D3. Now, if you are asking how to tell apart the #50 and #51 team? That's a bit more tricky and subject to speculation.

[Pat Coleman]

Agreed. There is definitely a point in the middle where you have a hard time telling the quality of the teams apart, but it's not nearly as wide as 50-150. It is probably more like 80-140.

[smedindy]

Still that's subjective. Where do you put a team that's got a bad record in a top conference (say Elmhurst) versus a team with a great record in a weak conference (Eureka).

The exact middle of the Massey Ratings (removing the NESCAC) is Puget Sound and Austin on either side.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

2018 WEEK 8 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank	Team	Points	Prev
1)	Mount Union (6)	222	1
2)	Mary Hardin-Baylor (3)	219	2
3)	Brockport	204	3
4)	St John's	195	4
5)	UW-Whitewater	190	6
6)	Frostburg St	184	5
7)	St Thomas	166	8
8)	John Carroll	154	9
9)	Hardin-Simmons	150	10
10)	Wittenberg	135	12
11)	UW-Oshkosh	119	13
12)	Illinois Wesleyan	106	16
T13)	Berry	100	15
T13)	North Central	100	14
15)	Whitworth	99	17
16)	Trine	89	18
17)	Muhlenberg	73	19
18)	RPI	72	20
19)	Wesley	58	7
T20)	Case Western Reserve	46	21
T20)	Delaware Valley	46	22
22)	Salisbury	44	25
23)	Wash & Jeff	32	11
T24)	Johns Hopkins	24	NR
T24)	Linfield	24	24

Dropped Out: #23 Washington U

Also Receiving Votes: Wheaton 23, Washington U 14, Centre 11, Ithaca 9, Bethel 4, Marietta 3, Baldwin Wallace 2, Cortland 2, Randolph-Macon 2, UW-La Crosse 2, Monmouth 1, Rowan 1

Voters: 02 Warhawk, bluestreak66, desertcat1, FCGG, MANDGSU, Mr. Ypsi, NCF, Oline89, and smedindy

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

  1)   Mount Union          222     ( 1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  1,  2,  2,  2)
  2)   Mary Hardin-Baylor   219     ( 1,  1,  1,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2,  2)
  3)   Brockport            204     ( 3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  3,  4,  5)
  4)   St John's            195     ( 3,  4,  4,  4,  4,  5,  5,  5,  5)
  5)   UW-Whitewater        190     ( 3,  4,  4,  5,  5,  5,  6,  6,  6)
  6)   Frostburg St         184     ( 4,  4,  5,  6,  6,  6,  6,  6,  7)
  7)   St Thomas            166     ( 6,  7,  7,  7,  7,  8,  8,  8, 10)
  8)   John Carroll         154     ( 7,  7,  8,  8,  8,  9,  9, 11, 13)
  9)   Hardin-Simmons       150     ( 7,  8,  8,  8,  9,  9,  9, 12, 14)
10)   Wittenberg           135     ( 9,  9, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 15)
11)   UW-Oshkosh           119     (10, 10, 10, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 21)
12)   Illinois Wesleyan    106     ( 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 16, 16, 19, 22)
T13)   Berry                100     ( 9, 12, 14, 14, 14, 16, 16, 17, 22)
T13)   North Central        100     (10, 10, 12, 12, 12, 15, 17, 20, --)
15)   Whitworth             99     ( 7, 11, 13, 14, 16, 16, 16, 20, 22)
16)   Trine                 89     (10, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 18, 20, 20)
17)   Muhlenberg            73     (12, 13, 15, 15, 18, 21, 22, 22, 23)
18)   RPI                   72     (13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 19, 21, --)
19)   Wesley                58     (13, 15, 18, 18, 19, 20, 22, 25, --)
T20)   Case Western Reserve  46     (15, 18, 18, 19, 20, 22, 24, --, --)
T20)   Delaware Valley       46     (13, 14, 16, 19, 23, 25, --, --, --)
22)   Salisbury             44     (12, 17, 17, 20, 23, 24, 25, --, --)
23)   Wash & Jeff           32     (17, 19, 20, 21, 23, 25, 25, --, --)
T24)   Johns Hopkins         24     (18, 21, 21, 23, 23, --, --, --, --)
T24)   Linfield              24     (17, 20, 21, 24, 25, --, --, --, --)

26)   Wheaton               23     (17, 19, 21, 24)
27)   Washington U          14     (16, 23, 25)
28)   Centre                11     (19, 22)
29)   Ithaca                 9     (21, 23, 25)
30)   Bethel                 4     (22)
31)   Marietta               3     (23)
T32)   Baldwin Wallace        2     (24)
T32)   Cortland               2     (24)
T32)   Randolph-Macon         2     (24)
T32)   UW-La Crosse           2     (24)
T36)   Monmouth               1     (25)
T36)   Rowan                  1     (25)

[smedindy]

I was the one who picked Rowan, who i think deserve it after beating Wesley even after the loss to Newport. I didn't have Johns Hopkins in my 25.

I'm one of two on #10 on North Central, and #9 on Witt, and #4 on Frostburg.

[Oline89]

I was the one who picked Rowan, who i think deserve it after beating Wesley even after the loss to Newport. I didn't have Johns Hopkins in my 25.

I'm one of two on #10 on North Central, and #9 on Witt, and #4 on Frostburg.

So Frostburg, Wesley, Salisbury and Rowan all in the top 25? Kind of NJAC heavy?

[02 Warhawk]

I was the one who picked Rowan, who i think deserve it after beating Wesley even after the loss to Newport. I didn't have Johns Hopkins in my 25.

I'm one of two on #10 on North Central, and #9 on Witt, and #4 on Frostburg.

I considered Rowan, but that blowout home loss to Newport weighed too much on them for my top 25. That wasn't exactly a good loss either, considering Newport is a cancelled* game away from being 4-3.

*Frostburg would have destroyed them