D3 Top 25 Fan Poll

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 08, 2022, 12:00:25 AM

First poll of the year.

2022 WEEK 1 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank	Team	W-L	Points	Prev
1)	Mary Hardin-Baylor (7)	1-0	175	1
2)	North Central	0-0	165	3
3)	St John's	1-0	162	6
4)	Mount Union	1-0	156	5
5)	Hardin-Simmons	1-0	144	10
6)	Wheaton	0-0	128	9
7)	Linfield	1-0	125	4
8)	UW-Whitewater	0-1	122	2
9)	Johns Hopkins	1-0	120	13
10)	Trinity (TX)	1-0	113	11
11)	UW-La Crosse	1-0	110	12
12)	Bethel	1-0	101	15
13)	Delaware Valley	1-0	80	14
14)	UW-Oshkosh	1-0	74	NR
15)	Central	1-0	69	T7
16)	Cortland	1-0	68	17
17)	UW-River Falls	1-0	63	22
18)	Muhlenberg	0-1	53	T7
19)	Ithaca	1-0	47	20
20)	Salisbury	1-0	39	19
T21)	Randolph-Macon	1-0	37	21
T21)	RPI	1-0	37	16
23)	Susquehanna	1-0	22	NR
24)	Carnegie Mellon	1-0	14	NR
25)	Hobart	1-0	11	NR

Dropped Out: #18 Birmingham-Southern, #23 Baldwin Wallace, #24 Redlands, #25 Lake Forest

Also Receiving Votes: Wartburg 10, Heidelberg 9, George Fox 6, Washington & Jefferson 5, Union 4, DePauw 2, Hope 2, Albion 1, Birmingham-Southern 1

Voters: 02 Warhawk, desertcat1, FANOFD3, FCGG, HOPEful, NCF, and smedindy

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 08, 2022, 12:17:03 AM

1) Mary Hardin-Baylor 175 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2) North Central 165 ( 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4)
3) St John's 162 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)
4) Mount Union 156 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
5) Hardin-Simmons 144 ( 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7)
6) Wheaton 128 ( 5, 6, 6, 7, 7, 9, 14)
7) Linfield 125 ( 5, 6, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13)
8) UW-Whitewater 122 ( 6, 7, 7, 8, 10, 10, 12)
9) Johns Hopkins 120 ( 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10)
10) Trinity (TX) 113 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 10, 11, 16)
11) UW-La Crosse 110 ( 6, 9, 11, 11, 11, 11, 13)
12) Bethel 101 ( 9, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15)
13) Delaware Valley 80 (12, 13, 14, 14, 15, 15, 19)
14) UW-Oshkosh 74 (11, 12, 14, 15, 17, 18, 21)
15) Central 69 (12, 13, 13, 16, 16, 17, --)
16) Cortland 68 (12, 14, 15, 15, 16, 17, 25)
17) UW-River Falls 63 (10, 12, 13, 19, 19, 20, --)
18) Muhlenberg 53 (15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 23)
19) Ithaca 47 (16, 17, 17, 19, 19, 21, --)
20) Salisbury 39 (14, 17, 20, 21, 22, 23, --)
T21) Randolph-Macon 37 (18, 18, 20, 20, 21, 22, --)
T21) RPI 37 (18, 18, 20, 20, 21, 22, --)
23) Susquehanna 22 (18, 19, 20, 25, --, --, --)
24) Carnegie Mellon 14 (21, 22, 23, 24, --, --, --)
25) Hobart 11 (22, 23, 24, 25, 25, --, --)

26) Wartburg 10 (16)
27) Heidelberg 9 (22, 23, 24)
28) George Fox 6 (23, 23)
29) Wash & Jeff 5 (24, 24, 25)
30) Union 4 (22)
T31) DePauw 2 (24)
T31) Hope 2 (24)
T33) Albion 1 (25)
T33) Birmingham-Southern 1 (25)

HOPEful · September 08, 2022, 11:36:08 AM

Feels a little like we all used the D3Football rankings and just tweaked them to our bias/liking. At some point, I'll take the time to blow up my rankings and do them more justice and without referencing pre-existing rankings. But with the holiday weekend, I didn't have time and was somewhat lazy about it.

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 08, 2022, 06:58:10 PM

Did a bit of checking comparing ballots to the top 26 (our only top 25 team not in the actual poll, Carnegie Mellon, was 26th in the D3F poll) and used 26th as a holder for not including on a ballot.

5 of the 7 ballots were about what you'd expect, between 1.65 and 2.08 positions different on average and between 17 and 22 teams within 2 spots of the D3F poll.
One ballot was quite similar averaging just 0.69 positions different on average and 24 teams within 2 of their D3F position.
And one ballot averaged 3.81 different per team and just 11 teams within 2 of the D3F poll.

Only 4 teams (from just 2 voters) were more than 7 positions different than the D3F poll (#19 UWRF at 10, #15 Cortland at 25, #16 Ithaca and #13 Central not ranked)

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 14, 2022, 07:44:44 PM

2022 WEEK 2 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank	Team	W-L	Points	Prev
1)	St John's (4)	2-0	195	3
2)	North Central (4)	1-0	194	2
T3)	Mount Union	1-0	177	4
T3)	UW-Whitewater	1-1	177	8
5)	Mary Hardin-Baylor	1-1	169	1
6)	Hardin-Simmons	1-0	154	5
7)	Trinity (TX)	2-0	148	10
8)	Linfield	1-0	146	7
9)	UW-La Crosse	2-0	130	11
10)	Wheaton	0-1	126	6
11)	Johns Hopkins	2-0	119	9
12)	UW-River Falls	1-1	103	17
13)	Central	2-0	98	15
14)	Delaware Valley	2-0	95	13
15)	Cortland	2-0	79	16
16)	Ithaca	2-0	74	19
17)	UW-Oshkosh	1-1	68	14
18)	Muhlenberg	1-1	66	18
19)	Carnegie Mellon	2-0	44	24
T20)	Randolph-Macon	2-0	42	T21
T20)	UW-Platteville	1-1	42	NR
22)	Bethel	1-1	32	12
23)	Heidelberg	2-0	26	NR
24)	Wartburg	2-0	15	NR
25)	Susquehanna	2-0	14	23

Dropped Out: #20 Salisbury, #T21 RPI, #25 Hobart

Also Receiving Votes: George Fox 12, Union 12, Huntingdon 11, RPI 8, Wash & Jeff 6, DePauw 5, Salisbury 5, Birmingham-Southern 3, Albion 2, Stevenson 2, Hope 1

Voters: 02 Warhawk, Captainred81, desertcat1, FANOFD3, FCGG, HOPEful, NCF, and smedindy

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 14, 2022, 08:27:21 PM

1) St John's 195 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3)
2) North Central 194 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 4)
T3) Mount Union 177 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 5, 5, 5, 5)
T3) UW-Whitewater 177 ( 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 7)
5) Mary Hardin-Baylor 169 ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 8)
6) Hardin-Simmons 154 ( 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 10, 10)
7) Trinity (TX) 148 ( 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 9, 9, 10)
8) Linfield 146 ( 4, 6, 7, 7, 7, 9, 9, 13)
9) UW-La Crosse 130 ( 7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 10, 12, 14)
10) Wheaton 126 ( 8, 8, 8, 8, 10, 11, 13, 16)
11) Johns Hopkins 119 ( 8, 9, 10, 10, 11, 11, 14, 16)
12) UW-River Falls 103 ( 8, 10, 11, 11, 12, 17, 17, 19)
13) Central 98 (11, 12, 13, 13, 14, 15, 15, 17)
14) Delaware Valley 95 (12, 12, 13, 13, 13, 16, 16, 18)
15) Cortland 79 (11, 14, 14, 14, 15, 18, 20, 23)
16) Ithaca 74 (12, 15, 15, 15, 16, 16, 19, --)
17) UW-Oshkosh 68 (11, 12, 14, 16, 17, 18, --, --)
18) Muhlenberg 66 (15, 16, 17, 18, 18, 18, 19, 21)
19) Carnegie Mellon 44 (15, 18, 19, 20, 20, 23, 24, 25)
T20) Randolph-Macon 42 (17, 18, 20, 20, 20, 21, 24, --)
T20) UW-Platteville 42 (12, 13, 22, 23, 23, 24, 24, 25)
22) Bethel 32 (17, 17, 21, 21, 23, 25, --, --)
23) Heidelberg 26 (20, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, --, --)
24) Wartburg 15 (14, 24, 25, --, --, --, --, --)
25) Susquehanna 14 (19, 23, 23, 25, --, --, --, --)

T26) George Fox 12 (20, 21, 25)
T26) Union 12 (19, 21)
28) Huntingdon 11 (19, 22)
29) RPI 8 (19, 25)
30) Wash & Jeff 6 (22, 24)
T31) DePauw 5 (21)
T31) Salisbury 5 (21)
33) Birmingham-Southern 3 (23)
T34) Albion 2 (24)
T34) Stevenson 2 (24)
36) Hope 1 (25)

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 22, 2022, 01:42:37 PM

Had some delayed ballots this week. Hopefully the poll will be up earlier next week.

2022 WEEK 3 TOP 25 FAN POLL

Rank	Team	W-L	Points	Prev
1)	St John's (4)	2-0	195	1
2)	North Central (4)	2-0	191	2
3)	UW-Whitewater	2-1	179	T3
4)	Mount Union	2-0	173	T3
5)	Mary Hardin-Baylor	2-1	171	5
6)	Hardin-Simmons	2-0	164	6
7)	Trinity (TX)	3-0	147	7
8)	Linfield	2-0	144	8
9)	Wheaton	1-1	127	10
10)	UW-La Crosse	3-0	126	9
11)	Johns Hopkins	3-0	124	11
12)	Cortland	3-0	99	15
13)	UW-River Falls	2-1	98	12
T14)	Delaware Valley	3-0	93	14
T14)	Ithaca	3-0	93	16
16)	UW-Oshkosh	2-1	81	17
17)	Carnegie Mellon	3-0	62	19
18)	Randolph-Macon	3-0	60	T20
19)	Heidelberg	3-0	50	23
20)	Susquehanna	3-0	34	25
21)	Wartburg	3-0	30	24
22)	Union	3-0	29	NR
T23)	Albion	3-0	24	NR
T23)	George Fox	3-0	24	NR
25)	Bethel	1-1	21	22

Dropped Out: #13 Central, #18 Muhlenberg, #T20 UW-Platteville

Also Receiving Votes: Huntingdon 18, Case Western Reserve 9, Stevenson 9, DePauw 7, Central 6, Birmingham-Southern 5, Ursinus 2, Mount St Joseph 1, Muhlenberg 1, Rowan 1, RPI 1, Washington U 1

Voters: 02 Warhawk, Captainred81, desertcat1, FANOFD3, FCGG, HOPEful, NCF, and smedindy

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 22, 2022, 01:56:37 PM

1) St John's 195 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3)
2) North Central 191 ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 4, 5)
3) UW-Whitewater 179 ( 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 7)
4) Mount Union 173 ( 2, 3, 3, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
5) Mary Hardin-Baylor 171 ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 8)
6) Hardin-Simmons 164 ( 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 7, 7)
7) Trinity (TX) 147 ( 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 9, 9, 10)
8) Linfield 144 ( 4, 6, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 13)
9) Wheaton 127 ( 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 11, 11, 13)
10) UW-La Crosse 126 ( 7, 8, 8, 8, 10, 11, 12, 18)
11) Johns Hopkins 124 ( 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 11, 12, 13)
12) Cortland 99 (10, 11, 12, 13, 13, 14, 16, 20)
13) UW-River Falls 98 ( 8, 11, 12, 15, 15, 16, 16, 17)
T14) Delaware Valley 93 (12, 12, 13, 14, 14, 15, 17, 18)
T14) Ithaca 93 (11, 12, 13, 14, 14, 14, 15, 22)
16) UW-Oshkosh 81 (11, 12, 13, 15, 15, 16, 19, --)
17) Carnegie Mellon 62 (15, 16, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 21)
18) Randolph-Macon 60 (16, 17, 17, 17, 17, 18, 20, --)
19) Heidelberg 50 (15, 16, 18, 18, 20, 22, 23, --)
20) Susquehanna 34 (17, 21, 21, 22, 22, 22, 23, --)
21) Wartburg 30 (14, 20, 22, 22, 24, 25, 25, --)
22) Union 29 (17, 19, 21, 23, 23, 24, --, --)
T23) Albion 24 (18, 19, 21, 24, 24, --, --, --)
T23) George Fox 24 (18, 19, 20, 24, 25, --, --, --)
25) Bethel 21 (19, 19, 23, 24, 24, --, --, --)

26) Huntingdon 18 (14, 20)
T27) Case Western Reserve 9 (21, 22)
T27) Stevenson 9 (20, 23)
29) DePauw 7 (19)
30) Central 6 (23, 23)
31) Birmingham-Southern 5 (21)
32) Ursinus 2 (24)
T33) Mount St Joseph 1 (25)
T33) Muhlenberg 1 (25)
T33) Rowan 1 (25)
T33) RPI 1 (25)
T33) Washington U 1 (25)

FCGrizzliesGrad · September 24, 2022, 07:04:03 PM

If UMHB beats Hardin-Simmons tonight, it will be super fun figuring out who's ahead of who

... Hardin-Simmons beat Platteville who beat Bethel who beat St John's who beat Whitewater who beat Mary Hardin-Baylor who could potentially beat Hardin-Simmons tonight. A nice little loop of 4 teams in the top 6, another ranked team, and Platteville.

Cowboy2 · September 24, 2022, 08:36:10 PM

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 24, 2022, 07:04:03 PM
If UMHB beats Hardin-Simmons tonight, it will be super fun figuring out who's ahead of who ... Hardin-Simmons beat Platteville who beat Bethel who beat St John's who beat Whitewater who beat Mary Hardin-Baylor who could potentially beat Hardin-Simmons tonight. A nice little loop of 4 teams in the top 6, another ranked team, and Platteville.

Correction...If HSU beats themselves*

was a good game up the last two minutes. Let's see how they respond second half.

bleedpurple · September 24, 2022, 10:28:48 PM

Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 24, 2022, 07:04:03 PM
If UMHB beats Hardin-Simmons tonight, it will be super fun figuring out who's ahead of who ... Hardin-Simmons beat Platteville who beat Bethel who beat St John's who beat Whitewater who beat Mary Hardin-Baylor who could potentially beat Hardin-Simmons tonight. A nice little loop of 4 teams in the top 6, another ranked team, and Platteville.

There is no answer.

Today's results could either scramble everything or simply change things for a couple of teams. Looking in the aggregate (based on the poll, not on my assessment of the teams) maybe a reasonable (but far from perfect) Top 10 would be:

1. NCC
2. Mount Union
3. St. John's
4. UW-W
5. UMHB
6. Trinity
7 Bethel
8. Linfield
9. Johns Hopkins
10 UW-LC

This puts a premium on head to head results. Even though it doesn't do Bethel justice being behind St. John's, given the previous ranking gap, maybe it is palatable, if not perfect. This result honors the head to heads (for the most part) and puts a premium on quality wins without excessive punishment for losses to power teams.

Cowboy2 · September 25, 2022, 12:51:33 AM

Quote from: bleedpurple on September 24, 2022, 10:28:48 PM
Quote from: FCGrizzliesGrad on September 24, 2022, 07:04:03 PM
If UMHB beats Hardin-Simmons tonight, it will be super fun figuring out who's ahead of who ... Hardin-Simmons beat Platteville who beat Bethel who beat St John's who beat Whitewater who beat Mary Hardin-Baylor who could potentially beat Hardin-Simmons tonight. A nice little loop of 4 teams in the top 6, another ranked team, and Platteville.

There is no answer.

Today's results could either scramble everything or simply change things for a couple of teams. Looking in the aggregate (based on the poll, not on my assessment of the teams) maybe a reasonable (but far from perfect) Top 10 would be:

1. NCC
2. Mount Union
3. St. John's
4. UW-W
5. UMHB
6. Trinity
7 Bethel
8. Linfield
9. Johns Hopkins
10 UW-LC

This puts a premium on head to head results. Even though it doesn't do Bethel justice being behind St. John's, given the previous ranking gap, maybe it is palatable, if not perfect. This result honors the head to heads (for the most part) and puts a premium on quality wins without excessive punishment for losses to power teams.

The good thing about all of the OOC matchups, is that they show there is parity amongst the regions now. I'm sure we may get some movement or affirmation in the coming weeks:

1. NCC - still has to play Wheaton
2. Mount Union - a long ways to go before they play John Carroll
3. St. John's - can get another crack at Bethal in conf ship
4. UW-W - Still has the WIAC
5. UMHB - should coast until playoffs
6. Trinity - BSC/Centre/Berry still on schedule
7 Bethel - Gustavus next week
8. Linfield - could be top 5 in a few weeks
9. Johns Hopkins - still play muhlenberg and susquehanna
10 UW-LC - still has WIAC

desertcat1 · September 25, 2022, 04:01:29 PM

Your too late boys my ballot was in early,

Show me a good loss and I will show you all a loser.

15 and 0 could still win it all .

Cowboy2 · September 25, 2022, 05:28:12 PM

New D3 top 25 just released. Bethel jumped up but still outside of the top 10...

02 Warhawk · September 26, 2022, 08:13:54 AM

Yeah, this was the toughest poll I've ever done. I usually put a lot of stock into H2H matchups, but this week it formed kind of a paradox of sorts. Like FCG mentioned above.

UWW>MHB>H-S>UWP>Bethel>SJU

But then SJU beat UWW. Not to mention all those teams have just one (D3) loss. So one or two of those teams won't make sense in the poll, considering they beat a team that'll be ranked right above them.