Pool C

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph,
Going into this weeks games, how do you see the Pool C bids?

I have been on the road.  When I settle down, I will check out K-Mack's ATN!

I think that we get only 1 Pool C bid in the South if HSU goes 9-1.

[hazzben]

I'll hazard a guess.  I think there are at least 10 very strong 1 loss teams right now hoping for a Pool C.  Feedback is welcomed:

Wheaton
Ohio Northern
Coe
St. John Fisher
Bethel
Rowan*
Hardin-Simmons
Pacific Lutheran
Redlands
Cortland St.*
Montclair St.*
Central*
Hampden-Sydney 

* I'm unclear about the three-way tie scenario in the NJAC

Updated...but there are some crazy games going on out West right now that could really shake this whole thing up.

[Ralph Turner]

Today's results... Losses are in bold.  Partial.

East Region
1. Delaware Valley 7-1 7-1
2. Rowan 7-1 7-1
3. St. John Fisher 7-1 8-1 7-2 8-2
4. Cortland State 7-1 7-1
5. Montclair State 7-1 7-1
6. SUNY-Maritime 9-0 9-0
7. Maine Maritime 7-1 7-1
8. Ithaca 6-2 6-2
9. Alfred 5-2 6-2
10. Endicott 7-2 7-2

North Region
1. Wheaton (Ill.) 8-0 8-0 8-1 8-1 n]Lost to NCC
2. North Central (Ill.) 8-0 8-0
3. Mount Union 7-0 8-0
4. Ohio Northern 6-1 7-1  Pool C bid
5. Trine 7-0 8-0  MIAA
6. Baldwin-Wallace 7-1 7-1  8-1 8-1
7. Franklin 6-1 7-1
8. Case Western Reserve 6-1 7-1  Pool B Lost to Wash U.
9. Wittenberg 6-0 8-0
10. Wabash 7-0 7-1

South Region
1. Wesley 5-0 8-0   Pool B (open date)
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor 7-0 8-0  8-0 / 9-0 Clinched Pool A today
3. Hampden-Sydney 8-0 8-0  8-1/8-1 Pool C  after today's loss to W&L
4. DePauw 8-0 8-0  9-0 /9-0  SCAC Pool A
5. Thomas More 8-0 8-0 9-0 /9-0 Clinched Pres AC Pool A
6. Hardin-Simmons 8-1 8-1  (open date)
7. Ursinus 7-1 7-1 7-2/ 7-2 Lost to Muhlenberg which got the CC Pool A Bid
8. Salisbury 4-2 6-2 (open date)
9. Randolph-Macon 7-1 7-1  7-2 /7-2  Lost to Bridgewater
10. Washington and Lee 6-2 6-2  7-2 /7-2 ODAC Pool A with the win over H-SC

West Region
1. St. Thomas 9-0 9-0
2. UW-Whitewater 5-0 8-0
3. Wartburg 8-0 8-0
4. Coe 5-1 7-1
5. Cal Lutheran 6-1 6-1
6. Bethel 7-1 7-1
7. Linfield 5-1 6-1
8. Pacific Lutheran 5-1 6-1
9. Redlands 6-1 6-1
10. Central 8-1 8-1 8-2 8-2

Right now, I think that the East and the South get one bid.  The West and the North get two.

[Frank Rossi]

Assuming Pacific Lutheran and Redlands wins (and records are included that would represent such wins), here are the teams competing for Pool C with 0- or 1-loss(es) (* - Team could win its conference's Pool A Automatic Bid still):

Hardin-Simmons (8-1) -- at Louisiana College (6-3)
Wheaton (Ill.) (8-1) -- at Millikin (4-5)
Montclair St. (8-1) -- at Wm. Paterson (4-5)
* Rowan (8-1) -- at New Jersey (5-4)
* Cortland (8-1) -- vs. Ithaca (6-3)
Pacific Lutheran (7-1) -- vs. Willamette (7-2)
Ohio Northern (8-1) -- vs. Heidelberg (5-4)
Hampden-Sydney (8-1) -- vs. Randolph-Macon (7-2)
Coe (8-1) -- at Cornell (0-9)
Redlands (7-1) -- vs. Chapman (4-4)
Bethel (8-1) -- vs. Augsburg (4-5)
* Wittenberg (9-0) -- at Wooster (5-4)


I will go back and add SoS figures once all games go final since these numbers would be affected -- and if Pacific Lutheran and/or Redlands lose, I will delete accordingly.

[hazzben]

Hardin-Simmons (8-1) -- at Louisiana College (6-3)
* Cortland (8-1) -- vs. Ithaca (6-3)
Pacific Lutheran (7-1) -- vs. Willamette (7-2)
Hampden-Sydney (8-1) -- vs. Randolph-Macon (7-2)

Judging strictly based on the records of their remaining foes, these look like the four most likely to still shake-up the playoff picture. Interesting that 3 of the 4 Pool C candidates with significant challenges remaining are the home teams.

[Frank Rossi]

South
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Hampden-Sydney (8-1, 0.524 -- 0.523/0.527) -- vs. Randolph-Macon (7-2, 0.446)
Hardin-Simmons (8-1, 0.502 -- 0.492/0.523) -- at Louisiana College (6-3, 0.456)

North
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Wheaton (Ill.) (8-1, 0.604 -- 0.614/0.583) -- at Millikin (4-5, 0.581)
Ohio Northern (8-1 (7-1 Region), 0.512 -- 0.508/0.521) -- vs. Heidelberg (5-4, 0.456)
* Wittenberg (9-0, 0.416 -- 0.365/0.517) -- at Wooster (5-4, 0.441)
** Wabash (7-2 (7-1 Region), 0.525 -- 0.552/0.472) -- vs. DePauw (9-0, 0.522)
** Washington U. (7-2 (4-1 Region), 0.442 -- 0.412/0.503) -- at Chicago (7-2, 0.530)

East
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Montclair St. (8-1, 0.500 -- 0.493/0.515) -- at Wm. Paterson (4-5, 0.394)
* Rowan (8-1, 0.497 -- 0.486/0.518) -- at New Jersey (5-4, 0.408)
* Cortland (8-1, 0.491 -- 0.486/0.501) -- vs. Ithaca (6-3, 0.588)

West
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Coe (8-1 (6-1 Region), 0.543 -- 0.571/0.488) -- at Cornell (0-9, 0.535)
Bethel (8-1, 0.513 -- 0.493/0.552) -- vs. Augsburg (4-5, 0.479)
Redlands (7-1, 0.503 -- 0.481/0.547) -- vs. Chapman (4-4, 0.462)
Pacific Lutheran (7-1 (6-1 Region), 0.463 -- 0.438/0.514) -- vs. Willamette (7-2, 0.511)

* - Team May Still Win Its Conference's Pool A Bid
** - Team Included Since In-Region Record Includes Just One Loss

After Win/Loss Records are NCAA SoS -- OWP/OOWP -- Final Opponent (W/L, OWP of Final Opponent)

[Bill McCabe]

Frank,

Who do you see getting the Pool C bids today?

[usee]

Looks to me like the teams off the board will be:

Wheaton
Coe
Hampden Sydney
Bethel
ONU

And the last spot is a battle between montclair and HSU??

[Ryan Tipps]

Looks to me like the teams off the board will be:

Wheaton
Coe
Hampden Sydney
Bethel
ONU

And the last spot is a battle between montclair and HSU??

Not that there aren't lots of deserving teams out there, but it would just feel wrong for Hardin-Simmons not to get to dance with the rest of the big boys on Nov. 20.

[Frank Rossi]

Frank,

Who do you see getting the Pool C bids today?

I can't really say until we see Wednesday's final released Regional Rankings and then factor in probable SoS numbers for the following weekend.  I'll hedge until later in the week on this one, since quality wins/losses will tell us a lot in the scheme of things.

[FranElia]

How about Trine in the MIAA? If they lose to Albion next week, it appears that Albion will win the league and Trine will be a 9-1 team in the Pool C mix.

[hazzben]

How about Trine in the MIAA? If they lose to Albion next week, it appears that Albion will win the league and Trine will be a 9-1 team in the Pool C mix.

Trine would be 9-1, but as MIAA runner up, they would not deserve or get a pool c bid in my opinion.

[wally_wabash]

Looks to me like the teams off the board will be:

Wheaton
Coe
Hampden Sydney
Bethel
ONU

And the last spot is a battle between montclair and HSU??

Not that there aren't lots of deserving teams out there, but it would just feel wrong for Hardin-Simmons not to get to dance with the rest of the big boys on Nov. 20.

They'll get there.  UMHB needs a playing partner for round 1.   

[ohiofootball]

Frank- Washington U. is in the South Region

[Frank Rossi]

Thanks for catching the errors guys.  Here are the revisions, including regional records, when different, in the opponents' stats:

South
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Hampden-Sydney (8-1, 0.524 -- 0.523/0.527) -- vs. Randolph-Macon (7-2, 0.446)
Hardin-Simmons (8-1, 0.502 -- 0.492/0.523) -- at Louisiana Col. (6-3 (6-2 Reg.), 0.456)
** Washington U. (7-2 (4-1 Reg.), 0.442 -- 0.412/0.503) -- at Chicago (7-2, 0.530)

North
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Wheaton (Ill.) (8-1, 0.604 -- 0.614/0.583) -- at Millikin (4-5, 0.581)
Ohio Northern (8-1 (7-1 Reg.), 0.512 -- 0.508/0.521) -- vs. Heidelberg (5-4, 0.456)
* Wittenberg (9-0, 0.416 -- 0.365/0.517) -- at Wooster (5-4 (5-3 Reg.), 0.441)
* Trine (9-0 (8-0 Reg.), 0.379 -- 0.311/0.515) -- vs. Albion (5-4 (5-2 Reg.), 0.446)
** Wabash (7-2 (7-1 Reg.), 0.525 -- 0.552/0.472) -- vs. DePauw (9-0, 0.522)

East
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Montclair St. (8-1, 0.500 -- 0.493/0.515) -- at Wm. Paterson (4-5, 0.394)
* Rowan (8-1, 0.497 -- 0.486/0.518) -- at New Jersey (5-4, 0.408)
* Cortland (8-1, 0.491 -- 0.486/0.501) -- vs. Ithaca (6-3, 0.588)

West
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Coe (8-1 (6-1 Reg.), 0.543 -- 0.571/0.488) -- at Cornell (0-9, 0.535)
Bethel (8-1, 0.513 -- 0.493/0.552) -- vs. Augsburg (4-5, 0.479)
Redlands (7-1, 0.503 -- 0.481/0.547) -- vs. Chapman (4-4 (4-2 Reg.), 0.462)
Pac. Luth. (7-1 (6-1 Reg.), 0.463 -- 0.438/0.514) -- vs. Willamette (7-2 (5-2 Reg.), 0.511)

* - Team May Still Win Its Conference's Pool A Bid
** - Team Included Since In-Reg. Record Includes Just One Loss

After Win/Loss Records are NCAA SoS -- OWP/OOWP -- Final Opponent (W/L, OWP of Final Opponent).  If Regional Record differs, a second W/L record is in inner parentheses, indicated with "Reg."