Official 2010 PLAYOFFS reaction thread

[Blutarsky]

blutarsky, obviously you havent been reading different posts.  both wesley and ncc have been attacked for doing nothing but being chosen as #1 seeds.  not surprising to me though, that you dont see it.  it is the arrogance of a few of the fans for both teams that gets annoying after awhile.  most of the posters from both teams, some of which i know personally from being at the national championships the last couple of years represent their schools with class when they post.  Just go win one, wow that is a great explanation as to why neither one should be #1 this year.

OK, you think I'm arrogant, and I think you whine.........let's call the whole thing off.

Welcome to the world of having a #1 seed on your head.

[wally_wabash]

The objective criteria are always subjectively applied.  I do in fact have a good feel for the pulse of D3 football and think, as most do, that UWW and UMU will most likely be in Salem, but that doesn't change my opinion.  it appears that the committee went with SoS as the primary seeding criteria.  I think that's great.  It was a criterium applied rather than a hey we know they are the best so...I've seen brackets over the years that seemed to heavily favor one team or another and when the complaints come it is always you still have to beat everyone you play.  So UWW and UMU have to win them all, they just don't get them all at home.      Improve you SoS and you get the #1, maybe.  We in the ASC have dealt with that scenario more than once.

You guys down in the ASC are victims of a whole different set of garbage.  In this case, if the goal of the committee is to pick the four best teams in Division III and build brackets around those four teams (which is what they've said they have been doing since they decided to start surrounding UMU with eastern teams) and a room full of people whose charge is to watch and study and be knowledgeable about these teams decided that UWW is NOT one of those four best teams, then they failed.  And it isn't good enough to say that UWW should have scheduled stronger teams.  UWW can't get games and their own league has mandated playing a second game against a WIAC team.  Again, this or any selection committee has to know these variables and take them into account.  The common sense correction factor was not applied.  

[smedindy]

I agree with Wally, you have to look at the circumstances. Now, circumstances probably meant Coe and Montclair were selected instead of Wabash (who had a great SoS, but the league itself doesn't have that great of a reputation and they did have a second loss to an out of region team) and that may have been the right call, but to not look at the WIAC circumstance and see that UW-W is a #1, is, well, dubious at best and hypocritical at worst.

Wesley and North Central always have great teams - and at some point they were going to get a #1, but I didn't think it's be at the expense of Whitewater.

Of course, it was a mid-term election year, and dubious and hypocritical were par for the course!

[Bwana]

Again, the moral of the story is win your games, and then win the playoff games. That takes care of everything. This isn't the BCS, thank goodness!

Amen, brother!

[BayernFan]

So Witt goes 10-0 and are sole champs of the NCAC and has to go on the road.    While DPU are 47-0 losers to the NCAC runners up and get to host a playoff game?  How retarded.

DPU should have had to go to ONU and Witt should have hosted Trine.

I guess that was too complicated for the selection whizzes to figure out. 

Geesh.

[Toby Taff]

The objective criteria are always subjectively applied.  I do in fact have a good feel for the pulse of D3 football and think, as most do, that UWW and UMU will most likely be in Salem, but that doesn't change my opinion.  it appears that the committee went with SoS as the primary seeding criteria.  I think that's great.  It was a criterium applied rather than a hey we know they are the best so...I've seen brackets over the years that seemed to heavily favor one team or another and when the complaints come it is always you still have to beat everyone you play.  So UWW and UMU have to win them all, they just don't get them all at home.      Improve you SoS and you get the #1, maybe.  We in the ASC have dealt with that scenario more than once.

You guys down in the ASC are victims of a whole different set of garbage.  In this case, if the goal of the committee is to pick the four best teams in Division III and build brackets around those four teams (which is what they've said they have been doing since they decided to start surrounding UMU with eastern teams) and a room full of people whose charge is to watch and study and be knowledgeable about these teams decided that UWW is NOT one of those four best teams, then they failed.  And it isn't good enough to say that UWW should have scheduled stronger teams.  UWW can't get games and their own league has mandated playing a second game against a WIAC team.  Again, this or any selection committee has to know these variables and take them into account.  The common sense correction factor was not applied.  

Wally, I know some of our garbage is different garbage, but it is related.  There are a lot of circumstances ignored when seeding and match-ups come into play.  We don't give 1st round conference rematches, unless you're on a geographic island and rather than give a round flight you match up with one of the top teams in the region (see 2006 when HSU lost 2 games, both to UMHB, and whose SoS was seriously impeded by a game called because of lightening and not finished/replayed.)  Good sense and considering circumstance doesn't match up UMHb and HSU whenever they make the playoffs, money does.  The WIAC knew the potential for SoS issues when they mandated the 2nd WIAC game, but money made that call.  All UMU and UWW have to do to prove they deserve to be 1 & 2 is win games.  it isn't like they were penalized and put under teams with worse records or worse SoSs.  Other teams were rewarded for their successes with theoretically more difficult schedules.  you don't get to go to the front of the line just because of your name and history in the playoffs, maybe in the preseason, but not in the playoffs.

[thewaterboy]

Time for my two cents. I dont think it matters at all about the teams of past years, because every year theres a new team for the same school. It doesnt make sense to say "oh whitewater should be ranked #1 just because of last year." The 2009 and 2010 teams are different. Thats true with any program.

Also, in the end it doesnt matter what your rank is. You have to win. Doesnt matter where, or when. Stop whining and start cheering your team to Salem.

[bleedpurple]

Time for my two cents. I dont think it matters at all about the teams of past years, because every year theres a new team for the same school. It doesnt make sense to say "oh whitewater should be ranked #1 just because of last year." The 2009 and 2010 teams are different. Thats true with any program.

Also, in the end it doesnt matter what your rank is. You have to win. Doesnt matter where, or when. Stop whining and start cheering your team to Salem.

"We are prepared to show the NCAA we can play and compete with anybody."

[CrashDavisD3]

NCAA as always has their crazy views for things. But here is my opinion.

1) Conference winners always get 1st round home games against teams who did not win their conference
2) If teams met during regular season, teams that have won head to head contests get home field during 1st round games
3) Higher seeds get home field 1st round after #1 and #2 above
4) Higher SOS gets home field 1st round after 1,2,3 above

NCAA never makes sense in any sports to me. Teams get left out. Teams with bad records get included in,
teams that should host playoff games don't because of stupid NCAA requirements. Too many damn rules, too much complexity but I expect no less from the people who run the NCAA.

[seventiesraider]

Well, bad as it might be, if we used the BCS logic we'd have
1. North Central
2. Wheaton
3. Mt Union
4. Wesley
5. Whitewater
6. St Thomas
7. Linfield
8. Wartburg
9. MHB
10. Wittenberg

[nccfac]

   School (1st votes)    Rec    Pts    Prev.
1    UW-Whitewater (23) 10-0    623    1
2    Mount Union (2)    10-0    602    2
3    Wesley                      9-0    561    3
4    St. Thomas            10-0    546    4
5    North Central (Ill.)    10-0    516    5
6    Mary Hardin-Baylor    10-0    511    6
7    Ohio Northern              9-1    415    10
8    Linfield                      8-1    405    12
9    Wittenberg            10-0    393    9
10    Thomas More            10-0    385    11

If we followed the BCS this is what we would be looking at for the top ten. They actually use and are highly influenced by the polls. I think we should do the same. Using this data along with data on h2h, common opponents and finally Sos would help determine the seedings. I was upset last year when NCC missed the playoffs and thought that it was even a worse slight to ONU. This year in response, the committee has made a more egregious error not having Mt. Union and UWW as the number one and two seed. The third and fouth seeds should have been between Wesley, NCC and UST.

[Pat Coleman]

Hey, folks -- our friends at d3photography.com (not part of the network, but a partner) is hosting D3football.com's bracket challenge this season. Go sign up and fill out a bracket at:
http://www.d3photography.com/pickem/

As usual no prizes, which protects student-athletes and coaches from NCAA issues.

This season, one sign-up gets you access to all bracket challenges -- no more signing back up for D3hoops.com brackets in the spring.

[Ralph Turner]

In the HuddLLe interview of Dr Joy Solomon, she mentions that there will be 24 Pool A bids in 2011.

I wonder if she is not aware of the specifics of UMAC and the ECFC, or one conference is not yet ready for a Pool A bid.  Here is the link to the 23 minute interview.

http://d3blogs.com/d3football/2010/11/15/what-the-chair-said/

[02 Warhawk]

Well, bad as it might be, if we used the BCS logic we'd have
1. North Central
2. Wheaton
3. Mt Union
4. Wesley
5. Whitewater
6. St Thomas
7. Linfield
8. Wartburg
9. MHB
10. Wittenberg

So you can see why UWW fans are calling this year's selection committee the BCS for DIII 

[usee]

Well, bad as it might be, if we used the BCS logic we'd have
1. North Central
2. Wheaton
3. Mt Union
4. Wesley
5. Whitewater
6. St Thomas
7. Linfield
8. Wartburg
9. MHB
10. Wittenberg

So you can see why UWW fans are calling this year's selection committee the BCS for DIII 

A list, ranking teams, from Seventies is about as reliable as the weatherman in Chicago.