MBB: Northwest Conference

[Ralph Turner]

Can I bring it to light as a part of this discussion? Don't take it personally. It's just the way that I operate.
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Or as they say on LLPP (Liberty league Post Patterns) Football message board,

It's just the way that I "roll".

I remember the trip to Lewis and Clark that Sul Ross State made in 2004.  The Lobos almost knocked off the Larrys.  That was a great game!  L&C made for a great neutral court for Lawrence and SRSU to play. 

[Pat Coleman]

We Post Pattern veterans flock to the page where the most recent Grearoy Sager D-III White Paper has been published to learn from his wisdom.

LOL ..

[Pat Coleman]

This is not an argument because I don't want to read "War and Peace" again.

Andrei dies. Nikolai marries Maria, and they raise Andrei's son. Pierre marries Natasha. The Russians win. The French lose.

See? I'm not afraid of brevity.

Deleted for space and obviousness.

[The Historian]

I just wanted the readers of this board to know that the front page feature article on Adolphe Coulibaly and the included photo were stolen from a feature article written by Amherst College's Sports Information Director, Alex Kantor.

You can find the original article here:

https://cms.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/winter/basketball-m/articles/2007_08/0927_coulibaly_feature

Pat Coleman has been asked to give credit to the original author of this article, but he has refused to do so.  He has even refused to post a byline to the article saying that it first appeared in an Amherst College release.

I love this website and enjoy the attention it gives to d3 basketball, but I am seriously disturbed by this complete and utter disregard for journalistic integrity on the part of Pat Coleman.

Alex Kantor is a professional SID, and his professional work should be rightfully credited.  He was never asked permission to have his words posted to this commercial website, and his personal request to Pat Coleman to have his name added to the front page of the website was promptly rebuked.

[steveflegel]

Historian,

Your complaint is misguided.  The article wasn't copy-righted, it was pulled off of an open forum (school web site) or perhaps release directly to specific media outlets (D3hoops included).

As SIDs we send out press releases without any expectation of credit or byline.  My press releases have often been carried word for word in local media and I have never requested credit or byline, because like wire service reports - that information is sent out with the expectation it will be used.

And if you are going on every board with this kind of foolishness, you are just embarrasing yourself.

[Pat Coleman]

Historian,

Your complaint is misguided.  The article wasn't copy-righted, it was pulled off of an open forum (school web site) or perhaps release directly to specific media outlets (D3hoops included).

As SIDs we send out press releases without any expectation of credit or byline.  My press releases have often been carried word for word in local media and I have never requested credit or byline, because like wire service reports - that information is sent out with the expectation it will be used.

And if you are going on every board with this kind of foolishness, you are just embarrasing yourself.

Thanks, Steve. Appreciate it. Not sure why this is such a big deal.

[David Collinge]

Thanks, Steve. Appreciate it. Not sure why this is such a big deal.

It's a big deal with The Historian, but it doesn't appear to be a big deal to anyone else.

[LogShow]

Have any of the schools started practice yet?  I heard that UPS was waiting till the 21st so they didn't have to take a week off during christmas.

Also schedule wise, do any of the teams have a noteworthy nonconference opponent?  Thought UPS was going to play Eastern or Oregon St. but neither were on the schedule

[dumpdotes]

Linfield started Wed... Sad situation there- out of 16 players on last years roster, three graduated, only four players coming back. They play Portland St. on 11/20. It will be a long year for the Cata. Something needs to change...

[hoopsknowall]

Linfield started Wed... Sad situation there- out of 16 players on last years roster, three graduated, only four players coming back. They play Portland St. on 11/20. It will be a long year for the Cata. Something needs to change...

In response to DumpDotes comment.  Linfield does not have many returners from last year's squad true, but that team only won 8 games.  With the returners they have (Murphy, Taylor), the new incoming class of freshmen, and the addition of transfers that Coach Doty was responsible for bringing in who will contribute solid minutes,  Linfield's Cat Attack might be back this year, they could surprise the league.     

[NWCer]

Hoopsknowall,

I do agree with part of your statement in response to dumpdotes (that's a funny name by the way).  Why do you even want the returners from that team?  Cleaning house, whether it was the coaches intent or not, is probably best for Linfield, that was a bad roster.

[dumpdotes]

Let's take a closer look... Emil Kim averaged 10ppg and as a freshman became one of the most exciting p[layers in the conference. He is gone. Don't buy the homesick nonsense. He clashed with Doty from the begining- even quitting the team at one point. Andy baldwin had a year of eligibility left and was considering coming back but opted not to. Mike Van Loon transfered to NWCC where he will be a star. He was in the doghouse because he had problems with the "graduate" asst. coach. Sten Morgan made over 50% of his shots last year averaging 5.5ppg. He quit. Jackson Baber was the teams leading rebounder and was among the conf. leaders in boards and blocked shots. He quit. Harrison harter quit at the start of last season. There is not one junior left in that program. Three of them were on the varsity roster as freshman.  Matt magowan, an all state player from redmond left before last season. On and on. Players are not developed in this program. The players walking around that campus who have QUIT the program would beat whoever dotes puts on the floor this year.

This has been going on for years, go back to when OJ gully left the program. The fact is- except for the years that he used " the system" where players coached themselves. Doty is a .500 coach

[dumpdotes]

by the way, it should be noted that the Cats lost ten games by six or fewer points, two by seven. Against Whitman, the point guard went the length of the court in 3 secs. for the winning lay up. In another game, with time running down, they failed to get the ball across mid court resulting in a turnover that led to the winning bucket. That couldn't be coaching could it?

Here is my favorite- ask any player on last year's team about this- Andy baldwin had 14 points, including some long range bombs, at half time. Dotes tells the kids they need to get him the ball more. he did not play a second in the second half...

[NWCer]

All good inside stuff dumpdotes (couldn't be one of those players who quit could you?  ).

The fact is the roster still wasn't very good, regardless of what your Coach did or didn't do.  Seems like you know the situation well, so I ask you, honestly, what team in the conference, based on talent alone, do you think Linfield was better then last year?

[NWCer]

by the way, it should be noted that the Cats lost ten games by six or fewer points, two by seven. Against Whitman, the point guard went the length of the court in 3 secs. for the winning lay up. In another game, with time running down, they failed to get the ball across mid court resulting in a turnover that led to the winning bucket. That couldn't be coaching could it?

And the players have nothing to do with that.............................

Not backing Doty as coach of the year, but in those close games the players are going to have to make plays at some point.........