MBB: Northwest Conference

LogShow · February 11, 2008, 04:49:14 PM

Quote from: Pio20 on February 11, 2008, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: Lutes07 on February 11, 2008, 04:20:50 PM
How do tie breakers work if the season series is split?

LC had to deal with this last year. It is really weird. First it is the records against all teams above those teams in the tie. This is what tripped up LC last year because their were no teams above LC and Whitworth. But if it is a tie for third place, then it would be whoever has the better record against the top two teams. If that doesn't work, then it is whoever has the better record against those top two teams in rank order. If that still doesn't work then it is the record against teams from the bottom of the standings up. LC lost to last place Pacific last season and so Whitworth got the tiebreaker. That one usually gets the job done but if it doesn't then it goes to best conference road record and on and on and on...

I believe that the rules might have been chnaged slightly from last year...I will have to check on that

LogShow · February 11, 2008, 04:54:40 PM

Quote from: Lutes07 on February 11, 2008, 04:20:50 PM
How do tie breakers work if the season series is split?

Its alittle early for that isn't it? I would be more worried about your upcoming game against WW. PLU has a tough road to travel. Still have to play WW, Linfield, and Pac

NWCer · February 11, 2008, 05:25:26 PM

I agree with you Logshow, it's too early for anyone to be thinking pass their next game, with the exception of those poor Missionaries

, they're probably counting down the days until Spring Break 8)......

When's the last time a team went winless in conference?

They finish at home against UPS, at Whitworth, at George Fox which I predict are all losses. The only chance I see of them is when they host PLU........

Scared Lutes??

So much can happen with this league........... I still say UPS is a lock as one of the top 3, and Whitworth is still in better shape than the rest, but LC, Willamette, Linfield, Pacific, and PLU, wow, you could finish in the top 3 or bottom 3, that much can happen.

LogShow · February 11, 2008, 06:49:38 PM

Quote from: NWCer on February 11, 2008, 05:25:26 PM
I agree with you Logshow, it's too early for anyone to be thinking pass their next game, with the exception of those poor Missionaries , they're probably counting down the days until Spring Break 8)......

An all-inclusive trip to Cancun!

LogShow · February 11, 2008, 06:52:57 PM

Quote from: NWCer on February 11, 2008, 05:25:26 PM

When's the last time a team went winless in conference?

They finish at home against UPS, at Whitworth, at George Fox which I predict are all losses. The only chance I see of them is when they host PLU........

Scared Lutes??

So much can happen with this league........... I still say UPS is a lock as one of the top 3, and Whitworth is still in better shape than the rest, but LC, Willamette, Linfield, Pacific, and PLU, wow, you could finish in the top 3 or bottom 3, that much can happen.

I believe the last team to do it was G Fox...maybe back in 2001, I think.

Lutes07 might be a bit worried, trying to figure out the tie breakers. What if PLU gets a huge win on Friday...and then maybe just maybe Whitman could catch them in a let down game the next night.

NWCer · February 11, 2008, 07:09:39 PM

I wouldn't put it by Whitman to get PLU at home, the PLU team I saw at Pacific played no defense, Faidly could have a big night.

Cancun is nice, but honestly, any place outside Walla Walla would be an improvement, but somewhere in the sun where the shades can be brought out would be sweet 8) 8) 8) 8)

LogShow · February 11, 2008, 11:01:49 PM

Not only can they not win any games, but they have to endure a winter in Walla Walla. Yikes...that's brutal!

Pio20 · February 12, 2008, 03:00:40 AM

Among other things that may have gotten the Pios going was a page-long scathing criticism of Coach Gaillard in the student newspaper. It was actually written by a friend of mine and I agree with some of his points but disagree with others. His main argument is that Gaillard is not helping the team play to its full potential. He says this is due to who Coach G plays and how much he plays certain players and how many minutes he plays them. The writer says Tillery should be at the small forward and Thierry the point guard and Robinowitz the shooting guard. I do agree that Thierry has a great court awareness but I just can't see those three starting in a lineup that is already small as it is now. His other main point was that Coach G doesn't give players consistent minutes and thus keeps them guessing and doesn't create any consistent flow. This I agree with, but it is also hard when you have so many capable players to find a consistent rotation. At the same time, this same team went 13-3 last year. Either way, it definitely got the Pios going.

LogShow · February 12, 2008, 12:38:36 PM

Quote from: Pio20 on February 12, 2008, 03:00:40 AM
Among other things that may have gotten the Pios going was a page-long scathing criticism of Coach Gaillard in the student newspaper. It was actually written by a friend of mine and I agree with some of his points but disagree with others. His main argument is that Gaillard is not helping the team play to its full potential. He says this is due to who Coach G plays and how much he plays certain players and how many minutes he plays them. The writer says Tillery should be at the small forward and Thierry the point guard and Robinowitz the shooting guard. I do agree that Thierry has a great court awareness but I just can't see those three starting in a lineup that is already small as it is now. His other main point was that Coach G doesn't give players consistent minutes and thus keeps them guessing and doesn't create any consistent flow. This I agree with, but it is also hard when you have so many capable players to find a consistent rotation. At the same time, this same team went 13-3 last year. Either way, it definitely got the Pios going.

To me it seems that Gaillard is all about the matchups. He starts Thierry only against UPS and has done so for the past few years, and plays Papenfus 2 mins. But otherwise, Papenfus seems to play a lot, and Thierry doesn't play that much because I am guessing that Gaillard doesn't feel that he brings much offense to the table. Gailard seems to be a very offensive minded coach. The Pios have definately had their struggles this year, and their remaining games are by no means easy.

LogShow · February 12, 2008, 12:40:35 PM

Well the latest poll came out...no surprise UPS drops to 21st. Let's get back on the right track to weekend Logs!

LogShow · February 12, 2008, 12:42:56 PM

Tonights game:

Linfield @ Willamette

Huge game for both teams trying to scrap for the last playoff spot, should have some great intensity

Pio20 · February 12, 2008, 02:22:21 PM

Quote from: LogShow on February 12, 2008, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: Pio20 on February 12, 2008, 03:00:40 AM
Among other things that may have gotten the Pios going was a page-long scathing criticism of Coach Gaillard in the student newspaper. It was actually written by a friend of mine and I agree with some of his points but disagree with others. His main argument is that Gaillard is not helping the team play to its full potential. He says this is due to who Coach G plays and how much he plays certain players and how many minutes he plays them. The writer says Tillery should be at the small forward and Thierry the point guard and Robinowitz the shooting guard. I do agree that Thierry has a great court awareness but I just can't see those three starting in a lineup that is already small as it is now. His other main point was that Coach G doesn't give players consistent minutes and thus keeps them guessing and doesn't create any consistent flow. This I agree with, but it is also hard when you have so many capable players to find a consistent rotation. At the same time, this same team went 13-3 last year. Either way, it definitely got the Pios going.

To me it seems that Gaillard is all about the matchups. He starts Thierry only against UPS and has done so for the past few years, and plays Papenfus 2 mins. But otherwise, Papenfus seems to play a lot, and Thierry doesn't play that much because I am guessing that Gaillard doesn't feel that he brings much offense to the table. Gailard seems to be a very offensive minded coach. The Pios have definately had their struggles this year, and their remaining games are by no means easy.

Yeah I would definitely agree with that. I though starting Thierry against UPS was a great move. And I mean we don't really have any stellar defensive players. Clearly Gaillard knows what he gets when he is recruiting. But if we can play solid team defense like we did against Whitworth the other night we can have success.

Pio20 · February 12, 2008, 02:24:29 PM

Quote from: LogShow on February 12, 2008, 12:42:56 PM
Tonights game:

Linfield @ Willamette

Huge game for both teams trying to scrap for the last playoff spot, should have some great intensity

I don't see any possible scenario except for this one coming right down to the final minutes. I think Linfield eeks it out 86-82.

LogShow · February 12, 2008, 03:38:05 PM

I agree that the game will definately be close. But when the game comes down to making adjustments and tactical work, James is heads above better then anyone else in the league...so I got to go with the Bearcats. And the fact that they are protecting their home court.

LCPios07 · February 12, 2008, 05:59:11 PM

In light of the article on Gailard, I am curious to hear what people think about criticism and D3 coaches. Obviously major college coaches are subject to critical analysis and reporting, while I would say that high school coaches for the most part are off limits. Where do D3 coaches fall on that spectrum?? It isn't like there is much media coverage for D3, so it rarely comes up, but just wondering what everyone thinks??