MBB: Northwest Conference

[Pio20]

In other news...http://www.lcpioneers.com/sports/mbkb/2008-09/roster
The LC bball roster is up. Can't really judge anything from last year...it is a very different team this year. We'll have to wait and see.

Thanks Pio20....

Interesting, the names on the rosters don't equal the amount of guys in the photo, and on neither did I see the transfer they got from Western Oregon a couple years back - Allen.

Yeah a couple players quit. Allen is among them.

Any idea why guys are jumping ship? 

They are all seniors who have never gotten any PT and were headed for the same fate this season. And yes it was last year the Pios lost to Portland State 61-60.

[mtnman]

logshock

"Expecting eastern wash and ups an ugly one?"  i would expect our loggers to give eastern washington a good game.  we have the whole roster returning dont we? antwahn and foster are 1st all conf players and eastern is not very good from what i can see.  what happended to kevin wright?  he was really good when i watched him...  maybe coach lunt was too hard on him? dang.

[mtnman]

kevin write gone from ups... you know it is never a good thing player does not return (a GOOD player) - some one told me that once .  i also dont see jordan thuston or clif snider on the roster any more either... bridgland must have come back from teh dead and 'brutal realitied' them and made them leave team! (sorry i got that term from logshock)

oh.  by the way.  IF bridgland did vote his team #1, what is bad about that?

i will protect bridgland...alot of negativity coming his way for what? from logger fans too...not me i apprecaite what he did for my ups

[logshock101]

logshock

"Expecting eastern wash and ups an ugly one?"  i would expect our loggers to give eastern washington a good game.  we have the whole roster returning dont we? antwahn and foster are 1st all conf players and eastern is not very good from what i can see.  what happended to kevin wright?  he was really good when i watched him...  maybe coach lunt was too hard on him? dang.

Did u even read what I wrote? Or are you just so quick to criticize me that you are oblivious to what I even wrote. I didn't say anything about UPS not giving Eastern a run for their money. I said ugly as in lots of fouls. Just because Eastern might not be a very good team this season doesn't change the fact that they still have a team full of scholarship athletes who are considered good enough to play at the D1 level. If we can hang with them thats fantastic. But heres the thing an all conference player can't do anything when he's on the bench because of foul trouble.

[bbaddict]

Now, that would be a truly new development -- a UPS team committing lots of fouls -- wow, that's news!  No, wait - it's news when the fouls actually get called.

[NWCer]

mtman, relax, come join me and bbadict for a cold adult beverage once you calm down. 

What is bad about Bridgeland picking his Missionaries 1st?  Nothing I guess, don't think there's anything bad, he can do what he wants, he was asked to rank 1-9 so its his prerogative, just that they have no way in hell of winning conference this year..... That's all.... It's rather funny actually......

[bbaddict]

You have to admit, NWCer, that it WILL get interesting with Bridgeland at Whitman.  I think they'll win games, instead of being the NWC spoiler of past years.  They've had talent there-- just enough to scare you when you play them.

So, this is Lowrey's 4th year.  Great expectations from that?

[NWCer]

I'm not hating on Bridgeland, the guy was 44-4 and won 3 titles from 04-06 with an elite 8 appearance, that's awesome....  He's good, and Whitman will be much better I'm anticipating, I think they could finish as high as 6th actually this year, but 1st is a bit out of the question for 08-09.

Yes, this being Lowery's 4th year, his players, going thru the conference 3 times, and having Howe and Bartlett together after the 3rd place log jam finish last year, I'm expecting very good things this season, can't wait to get out to "the Grove"......

[logshock101]

kevin write gone from ups... you know it is never a good thing player does not return (a GOOD player) - some one told me that once .  i also dont see jordan thuston or clif snider on the roster any more either... bridgland must have come back from teh dead and 'brutal realitied' them and made them leave team! (sorry i got that term from logshock)

oh.  by the way.  IF bridgland did vote his team #1, what is bad about that?

i will protect bridgland...alot of negativity coming his way for what? from logger fans too...not me i apprecaite what he did for my ups

Before you go on talking about players who are no longer on the team, Maybe you should take into consideration people might have found things they consider more important than playing basketball. Family and religious beliefs are 2 priorities that immediately come to my mind. Or another thing is that maybe these guys just didn't have the love for the game anymore that is needed to play out a 6 month season. It definitely is a grind. They aren't transfering schools and continuing to play basketball. Kevin, JT, and Cliff are some of the nicest young men that I have met in my time at UPS. Why criticize them for not playing hoops anymore? I believe that Cliff and JT got enough brutal reality in their 1 season to last them a lifetime.

Once again everything I said was truthful. UPSoundlogs was able to put my words on paper better than I was, so maybe u need to go back and take a look at what he said again. It wasn't knocking Bridge, just telling it how it is.

As for your second point about what wrong with voting for your own team...Well nothing if you actually have a chance to win it all. I think Owen Wilson said it best "I'd like to be cowboys from Arizona or pimps from Oakland but it's not Halloween. Grow up; Peter Pan, Count Chocula." People might want to check me into a psych ward if I claim to the pulic that the Huskies are gonna win the Pac-10 in 2009. For example Rich Rodriguez built a Top 25 team at West VA, the next year he comes to Michigan a struggling program. He's a great/winning coach, but does he vote his team #1 in the Big 10? No, because he not that arrogant.

Maybe you don't follow College football so heres another example:

Jeff Capel took over at Oklahoma after Kelvin Sampson left it in shambles (just like Skip). During his first season his team was predicted to finish 9th out of 12 teams. His team got 0 first place votes. Capel's a great coach, and the Sooners could contend for a national title this year, but did he vote his team 1st.  Nope he sure didn't. Funny, I'm starting to see a trend here.

2 additional observations:
1) I'm guessing you didn't graduate from UPS because your grammar, sentence structure, and word choice, for example, "brutal realitied" are not going to get you are degree from an outstanding institution such as UPS.
2) You're not even spelling people's name correctly. People that are on your team. Seems somewhat disrespectful to me. So here ya go: Cliff Snyder, Jordan Thurston, and even your boy Bridgeland

[mtnman]

hmmm.  logshock, you seem pretty upset.  maybe YOU should join us boys for a beer or 2...

let the games begin.

[logshock101]

hmmm.  logshock, you seem pretty upset.  maybe YOU should join us boys for a beer or 2...

let the games begin.

Upset? No, quite the contrary actually.

However you do seem to keep missing or misreading my posts so heres one from earlier.

UPSoundlogs
You're my boy blue! I'd like to join you for a cold adult beverage before any game in tacoma or after to celebrate another logger victory.

As the mantra goes: Once A Logger, Always A Logger!

[mtnman]

logshock

"bridgland arrogant... for voting whitmen number 1"

you probably would have used ARROGANT last time if he said he would take ups to 3 straight conferance titles and 44-4 record to

scary thing is what if he knows something we dont?  i guess i would have said imposable to if he had told me 3 straight nwc titles and 44-4 record over that time

i for one admire his confidence. i would also say that ups is probably thankful for his confidence after what he did for men's sports at ups

beers?

[logshock101]

logshock

"bridgland arrogant... for voting whitmen number 1"

you probably would have used ARROGANT last time if he said he would take ups to 3 straight conferance titles and 44-4 record to

scary thing is what if he knows something we dont?  i guess i would have said imposable to if he had told me 3 straight nwc titles and 44-4 record over that time

i for one admire his confidence. i would also say that ups is probably thankful for his confidence after what he did for men's sports at ups

beers?

One word. Talent. UPS had/has it, Whitman doesn't. Did Bridgeland win a title in his 1st 2 years at UPS with more talented players than he has at Whitman right now? No. Its gonna be tough for him to recruit even the caliber of players he got at UPS. Whitman has stricter regulations on admissions and its in the armpit of WA, where there isn't much to do and winters are longer and colder than most people would tolerate. He might know something we don't, maybe he learned something from those brilliant minds over at Whitman, but honestly if he did, I my guess is it would be something academic, I don't think it would have been about basketball.

The only sport he did anything for he at UPS is Men's basketball (which was his job). Baseball is still mediocre and all he did for football was kick football players out of the midnight practice to open the 2005-2006 season.

Beers? I like beers

[bbaddict]

I thought Tacoma was the armpit of Washington?    Walla Walla is more like "it's not the end of the world, but you can see it from there!"

And, Bridgeland is a Basketball coach -- everyone knows you can find smart bb players cuz it's a smart man's game!!   

Don't go too heavy on the beers, guys -- it's Halloween & you might run over some trick or treaters!

[logshock101]

I was trying to be nice, I think calling it the *ssh crack of WA is a better description