MBB: Northwest Conference

[logshock101]

too bad the pios didnt shoot a little better, that would have been a huge win

[nwhoops1903]

Well yes indeed.  A win against a top D3 team/conference would be good for the whole NWC.  Nice try LC.  I kinda have a sneaky feeling LC will be up this year and dare I say it UPS down?  No way UPS is down, is there?  My predictions hopefully in order:

Whitworth
LC
UPS
Pacific

[logshock101]

from what i hear, LC is looking very good early, and might catch teams off guard with how good they are. the thing with UPS is that their freshmen are going to have to put in some quality minutes because they don't have that many experienced guys. Their non-conference (didn't want to be #2 on this board to call em preseason  ) games are crutial for the team to mature and learn the system and learn how to play together.

[D O.C.]

Linfield always has plenty of talent, they just never quite get it done.

Pray tell. Please, opine on as to why that might be....

[mtnman]

logshock,

long time no talk.  im not sure what you mean by our loggers not bein expereinced?   we only graduated tailor marsh and have everybody else back onour roster???  we should be ok, shouldnt we?  we were picked #1 for a reason by the conference coaches.   i do not think we will have to rely on the freshman like you say. antwahn, jason, robert  krauel are all 3 all-american all confrence players, are they not?

why are you down playing us?  i dont understand.  we got 5 or 6 first place votes because we have alot of guys back this year and should win it

[LogShow]

logshock,

long time no talk.  im not sure what you mean by our loggers not bein expereinced?   we only graduated tailor marsh and have everybody else back onour roster???  we should be ok, shouldnt we?  we were picked #1 for a reason by the conference coaches.   i do not think we will have to rely on the freshman like you say. antwahn, jason, robert  krauel are all 3 all-american all confrence players, are they not?

why are you down playing us?  i dont understand.  we got 5 or 6 first place votes because we have alot of guys back this year and should win it

I am sorry (slight pet peeve), but if you are a die-hard loggers fan and have been around forever, can you atleast spell the players names correctly...haven't you been watching them or read a program?  This is your team, give the guys enough respect to spell their names correctly.

And you left out Weston Wood, and the younger Walker, who might have been role players, but contributors non-the-less.

[nwhoops1903]

...antwahn, jason, robert  krauel are all 3 all-american all confrence players, are they not?

All Conference..definitely...All American unlikely to not a chance.  Foster has the skills to get consideration and if he does somehow make the 3rd team its because he leads his team deep into the NCAA Tournament.  I have seen All Americans, and no one in the NWC is a certain All American for 08-09.  And I will remain silent on the the butchering of Antwan Williams' first name.

[mtnman]

sorry logshow...  i guess i dont pay attentoin to the little things.  i do know that evrybody seems to be making excuses ALREADY for a logger team that should be really good.  logshock talks more about the coaching staff now as being personable than how they are xs and os and you seem to care more about my spelling than figureing out why the loggers are under-achieving now...  lc played corban and beat them by 30 points and we struggle and beat them by 10?  what is wrong with coach lunt?  our team has ALOT of guys left from bridglands last year=antwahn and jason started all 20somethin games that year?

what gives?  what is going on down there?  so i cant spell (you say), i know when a team is underacheiving...what is wrong with us - if you are so close to the program (logshow/sjock), you tell me.

[mtnman]

anyone see whitman play?  how did they play?

[nwhoops1903]

Yea LogShow, what gives?

[nwhoops1903]

anyone see whitman play?  how did they play?

You know thats always the problem with Whitman, no one watches them play but the other team.  Your favorite coach did say this, "To be honest, I'm really encouraged by the way we played," first-year Whitman coach Eric Bridgeland said. "We only lost by two points at the end, despite going 21 of 38 from the free throw line and missing the first of five one-and-ones. We didn't get the W, but we got everything else. Cal State is a very good team that took Lewis & Clark to the wire last night, and Lewis & Clark is also a very good team."

I love the "we didn't get the W, but we got everything else" part.  Classic!

[LogShow]

I am not overly concerned with spelling, but have you ever seen someone spell their name Tailor?  Come'on thats someone who makes suits.

I don't think I have ever claimed to be "close" with the program.  I have watched lots of games over the years, and occasionally talk with some of the players, and other people around school.  So sometimes I think I might have a bit of a feel for what's going on.   Yes they do have 3 very good players in Foster, Willams, and Krauel.  And Boice is a solid player...but what to they have after that?  I bunch of untested/unproven players that are getting their feet wet right now.  So that could be part of it.  But even still they shouldn't struggle against Santa Cruz.  I can't put my finger on why they have struggled this year so far.  Maybe they have put in a new philosophy and are adjusting.  Why do our 2 preseason all-americans still turn the ball over too much.  We have all sorts of size, but can't rebound.  Or how bout a guy that can consistantly hit an outside shot.  I am not down on my team...or even concerned at this point.  It is very early in the season, and they still have lots of time to gel and come together.  Conference play is the most important, but they still have more then a month to keep getting better.

I am sure some will question the coach...but how much responsibility should he carry?  If they work on rebounding all week, yet don't rebound in the game, what gives?  Players are the ones out there.  What is the difference between the current team and the ones with McVey, Curtiss, and Walker or when Shelton and Glynn played?

[logshock101]

Logshow I have come to the conclusion that mtnman is intentionally spelling names wrong just to try and irritate people. I'm actaully quite surprised that he hasn't spelled my or your name wrong, but I guess that would just be a little too obvious. The fact that he spelled Robert's last name correctly is what solidified that belief, because enough people can't even say correctly let alone spell it, esspecially someone who considers peoples names to be "little things".

Well mtnmangina (Is that how you spell your full name? Oh well, it doesn't matter, its just a little thing.) You seem to be all knowing, so why don't you tell everybody here what is wrong with UPS. I suppose you'll start by saying that Lunt is just a horrible coach and doesn't know how to recruit and he is lazy and never in the office. And then you can go on to say how Assistant Coach Robles doesn't know anything about because he played at UC Santa Cruz and they barely won any games so he doesn't know what it takes to win. Then you conclude about how if Bridgeland were still here that UPS would have one 5 straight titles and be working on winning their fifth. You're bitter that "he" couldn't get his job back here, and we know how hard "he" tried. Please let out your frustrations, I understand, on these boards you can do it anonymously and people (well at least most people) won't know who you are. Since you know a lot more about the team than you actually let on, there no need for me to tell you that we graduated 3 seniors last year and that after foster krauel, williams, and boyce other players have not seen consistent large sums of minutes. That's only 4 players (3 who foul a lot), don't you play basketball with 5? You obviously know how the press works, how you need all 5 people to be doing their individual part in the press. A team is only as strong as their weakest link, especially defensively. All I know is what I see at games and here from occasional conversations with coaches and players. I watched one practice, but I'm not at all of them. I'm not a coach, and don't ever plan on being one, so why would I talk X's and O's. I just watch the games and like to see the loggers win, I have no reason to sit at home and come up with new schemes to win games. But just for you, next game I'll sit right behind the loggers bench with my stat sheet and white board and when Lunt calls a timeout I'll just hop down on the floor into the huddle and tell the guys what they need to do better and draw up the play to run coming out of the TO. Ok? Sound like a plan? Underachieving, isn't quite the word I would use to describe the loggers, they are 3-0 and improving, its better for them to struggle now than during conference. All that really matters is that they play their best ball during January/February/March. 

Also, I heard you were at the UPS-Corban game, what did you think? So far you haven't brought anything to the table about this UPS team aside from criticism, so what are you're ideas? Please enlighten us...

[logshock101]

anyone see whitman play?  how did they play?

You know thats always the problem with Whitman, no one watches them play but the other team.  Your favorite coach did say this, "To be honest, I'm really encouraged by the way we played," first-year Whitman coach Eric Bridgeland said. "We only lost by two points at the end, despite going 21 of 38 from the free throw line and missing the first of five one-and-ones. We didn't get the W, but we got everything else. Cal State is a very good team that took Lewis & Clark to the wire last night, and Lewis & Clark is also a very good team."

I love the "we didn't get the W, but we got everything else" part.  Classic!

Haha, oh man that is pretty funny. What else is there to get besides the win? Might as well say "good job guys we finished that game in second place." NWHOOPS where did you get that quote? Was it a comment to newspaper or something? Too bad we can't get a Whitman player to post on here and find out what he said to them in the locker room. Probably something a long the lines of making them wish they were never born cause they can't shoot freethrows. Jeez I feel sorry for them. I hope they didn't have a 8 hour meeting where they had to watch film and tally up everything they did wrong that night. Is CalTech on their schedule this year? If so, someone needs to give them the warning to keep their heads down and covered to protect themselves from flying wedding rings. Even if they win.

[logshock101]

I am sure some will question the coach...but how much responsibility should he carry?  If they work on rebounding all week, yet don't rebound in the game, what gives?  Players are the ones out there.  What is the difference between the current team and the ones with McVey, Curtiss, and Walker or when Shelton and Glynn played?

LogShow, I kinda commented on this a while ago, but I think it has to do with two things 1)Mental toughness. The guys you mentioned above had it, if things weren't going their way, you couldn't tell by their body language and actions. Sometimes you can here the players now sitting on the bench b*tching and moaning to the ref about a call that was made on them five minutes ago. They need to get over it. All that complaining is just gonna irrirtate the ref and make him more likely to make another call on you when you go in. That has been one of my biggest pet peeves the past couple of years.

And Secondly, teams of the past had outstanding hardnosed role players. Mario Mendoza and Chris O'Donnell (sp?) came from JUCO programs ready to contribute right away. They didn't need time to get their feet wet. Anytime there was a loose ball or rebound that was coming down into a group of players and one of them was on the floor you knew who was gonna end up with the ball. They weren't stars, but they sure made a huge difference when it came down to winning games. The player who just graduated recently that was similar was Weston Wood.

I think for them to reach their lofty expectaions, someone on this years team needs to step up and be that decent sized roll player that will rebound and give everything he's got just to get possession of the ball.

Just my thoughts on the matter.