MBB: Northwest Conference

pineconefan · March 02, 2009, 07:14:44 PM

Regarding the officiating on Saturday - I wasn't there, so I can't speak to any specific calls. But when both Jurich and Montgomery went out in the second half with their fourth foul, the total foul count at the time was 15-6 against Whitworth. That's according to the live statistics provided by UPS. Sure doesn't sound like a conspiracy to get two teams into the tournament to me.

UPS4L ably demonstrates the natural blindness in being a fan. The same behavior is demonstrated by each coach, but one is disgraceful. And while his memory of Krauel going down is strong, his memory of Gebbers spending several minutes on the floor is surely fuzzy.

Buc Up · March 02, 2009, 07:47:51 PM

Pineconefan,

You make some very good points. I bet that every team since the arrival of Bridgeland and then now with Lunt feels that has played a game at UPS feels that the UPS players foul way more than they are whistled for and that the UPS coaches are just as animated and in most cases more than the visiting coach. For a UPS fan to pick out an incident and espeially just one, that is crazy.

I was at the game and it was poorly officiated at times on both ends, but if anyone should be complaining... the 15-6 against Whitworth might be the side to complain about. Jurich fouled out early and Montgomery played a long time with 4 fouls. There were a few others with 3 fouls midway through the second half.

Whitworth was the better team that night. If the teams get to play again, we will just have to wait and see who the better team is.

89Pirate · March 02, 2009, 07:48:43 PM

Quote from: pineconefan on March 02, 2009, 07:14:44 PM
Regarding the officiating on Saturday - I wasn't there, so I can't speak to any specific calls. But when both Jurich and Montgomery went out in the second half with their fourth foul, the total foul count at the time was 15-6 against Whitworth. That's according to the live statistics provided by UPS. Sure doesn't sound like a conspiracy to get two teams into the tournament to me.

UPS4L ably demonstrates the natural blindness in being a fan. The same behavior is demonstrated by each coach, but one is disgraceful. And while his memory of Krauel going down is strong, his memory of Gebbers spending several minutes on the floor is surely fuzzy.

As do most UPS fans...I was in Memorial Fieldhouse for the last conference game. The refing was horrible then too. Interestingly enough, supposedly one of the ref's (the one who kept issuing the technicals) was a 'respected' pac-10 ref. He certainly did not earn much respect that night in alot of people eyes and ears.

LogShow · March 02, 2009, 08:15:12 PM

Quote from: pineconefan on March 02, 2009, 07:14:44 PM
Regarding the officiating on Saturday - I wasn't there, so I can't speak to any specific calls. But when both Jurich and Montgomery went out in the second half with their fourth foul, the total foul count at the time was 15-6 against Whitworth. That's according to the live statistics provided by UPS. Sure doesn't sound like a conspiracy to get two teams into the tournament to me.

UPS4L ably demonstrates the natural blindness in being a fan. The same behavior is demonstrated by each coach, but one is disgraceful. And while his memory of Krauel going down is strong, his memory of Gebbers spending several minutes on the floor is surely fuzzy.

Pinecone,

I was at the game...there was absolutely nothing vicious or intentional about when Gebbers went down. He was guarding Williams close. Willams went to move and they hit heads, completely unintentionally. Williams had to come out of the game and get a bandage on his head. Its too bad that happened...but it was accidental contact on both sides and there was nothing malicious about it.

LogShow · March 02, 2009, 08:17:11 PM

Quote from: 89Pirate on March 02, 2009, 07:48:43 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on March 02, 2009, 07:14:44 PM
Regarding the officiating on Saturday - I wasn't there, so I can't speak to any specific calls. But when both Jurich and Montgomery went out in the second half with their fourth foul, the total foul count at the time was 15-6 against Whitworth. That's according to the live statistics provided by UPS. Sure doesn't sound like a conspiracy to get two teams into the tournament to me.

UPS4L ably demonstrates the natural blindness in being a fan. The same behavior is demonstrated by each coach, but one is disgraceful. And while his memory of Krauel going down is strong, his memory of Gebbers spending several minutes on the floor is surely fuzzy.
As do most UPS fans...I was in Memorial Fieldhouse for the last conference game. The refing was horrible then too. Interestingly enough, supposedly one of the ref's (the one who kept issuing the technicals) was a 'respected' pac-10 ref. He certainly did not earn much respect that night in alot of people eyes and ears.

Have you watched the Pac-10 this year...it is one of/if not the worst officiated conference in D1

pineconefan · March 02, 2009, 08:19:26 PM

Logshow - Didn't mean to insinuate there was anything malicious and Castle certainly did not say there was on his broadcast. Just making the point about what we see on the floor as fans.

LogShow · March 02, 2009, 08:24:09 PM

Sager,

I wasn't intentionally overlooking St. Thomas...just was thinking about all the past history with UW-SP and wasn't surprised when I saw the potential match-up with them. I would have been much more correct in saying that the winner of the UPS pod with be heading to the Mid-West.

I know St. Thomas is good, very good. But I don't know much about them. I know more then enough about UW-SP. That being said...both teams are tough, and if UPS makes it to play either of them, UPS will have to play a great game.

Buc Up · March 02, 2009, 08:24:55 PM

Anyone have thoughts on the all-league stuff?

I am a bit suprised that Jurich was not higher on the second team list if not on the bottom of the first team list. Montgomery who was very dominant at times didn't event get honarable mention...

Anyone else feel that their teams were not well represented?

LogShow · March 02, 2009, 08:25:51 PM

Quote from: pineconefan on March 02, 2009, 08:19:26 PM
Logshow - Didn't mean to insinuate there was anything malicious and Castle certainly did not say there was on his broadcast. Just making the point about what we see on the floor as fans.

Fair enough Pinecone, I just wanted to make sure that was clear. You are right about different perspectives. I am sure both coaches were unhappy about the way the calls went.

LogShow · March 02, 2009, 08:28:31 PM

Big congratulations to Coach Lunt and Foster!

Lunt has worked extremely hard and deserved it. Now its time to get it done in the NCAA.

LogShow · March 02, 2009, 08:30:24 PM

Also congrats to all the other Loggers that made it...5 in all.

Any idea why there were 7 instead of the usual 6 on the NWC 1st team?

Buc Up · March 02, 2009, 08:50:40 PM

Here is me making a case that Jurich got overlooked for his contributions. Keep in mind that Whiworth was the top defensive team in the league in nearly every category and it was also in the top half of many other offensive and rebounding categories as well as finishing 2nd in the league and conference tournament champions. Other than maybe Nakamura who is the offensive engine of the Pirates, it is safe to say the Jurich is the defensive and rebounding backbone as well as a great offensive player with his 3.5 assists per game, 1.51 assist to turnover ratio, 14.2 points per game and .526 field goal percentage. He also had a triple double early in the year against Pacific. I believe that he should have been a first teamer.

Conference stats only for Jurich:

Scoring: 14.2 for 10th best in the league

Rebounding: 8.3 for 2nd best in the league

Assists: 3.5 per game for 7th best in the league (Power Forward/Center)

FG %: .526 for 7th best in the league

Blocked Shots: 1.0 for 5th best in the league

Offensive Rebounds: 2.94 for 2nd best in the league

Defensive Rebounds: 5.31 for 4th best in the league

Assist to turnover ratio: 1.51 for 6th best in the league

Minutes played: 30.88 for 12th best in the league (Not bad for a big man who playes physical)

bbaddict · March 02, 2009, 08:53:25 PM

Quote from: LogShow on March 02, 2009, 08:15:12 PM
Quote from: pineconefan on March 02, 2009, 07:14:44 PM
Regarding the officiating on Saturday - I wasn't there, so I can't speak to any specific calls. But when both Jurich and Montgomery went out in the second half with their fourth foul, the total foul count at the time was 15-6 against Whitworth. That's according to the live statistics provided by UPS. Sure doesn't sound like a conspiracy to get two teams into the tournament to me.

UPS4L ably demonstrates the natural blindness in being a fan. The same behavior is demonstrated by each coach, but one is disgraceful. And while his memory of Krauel going down is strong, his memory of Gebbers spending several minutes on the floor is surely fuzzy.
Pinecone,
I was at the game...there was absolutely nothing vicious or intentional about when Gebbers went down. He was guarding Williams close. Willams went to move and they hit heads, completely unintentionally. Williams had to come out of the game and get a bandage on his head. Its too bad that happened...but it was accidental contact on both sides and there was nothing malicious about it.

It doesn't have to be "malicious" or "intentional" to be called a foul. Most times they aren't. In fact, some "fouls" are player control issues where they trip or lose their balance. But, they usually are seen by one of the three officials and called. Especially ones that leave players writhing on the floor, like Gebbers and Krauel later in the game. Those officials were terrible. Whitworth not only had to outplay UPS, but the other three, as well. Yes, I was at the game.

logshock101 · March 02, 2009, 09:05:12 PM

Quote from: LogShow on March 02, 2009, 03:50:40 PM
Quote from: bbaddict on March 02, 2009, 03:31:15 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 02, 2009, 01:28:37 PM
I am just glad the NCAA didn't institute their SCIAC exception for the NWC

And Logs, be really glad that UPS isn't in the Elmhurst or St. Thomas brackets -- at least the travel thing works in your team's favor this year! Sucks for the NWC, but really works better for UPS or Whitworth, whichever team makes it out of the 2nd round.

That's true, but just know the sweet 16 will be in wisconsin...I've heard the town of stevens point is a great place to visit in march.

yes, great if u love snow, below 0 temperatures and working on your turkey call. those are all very popular there

bbaddict · March 02, 2009, 09:10:08 PM

Well, Logs, if you're going to worry about weather, maybe Whitworth could go -- they're used to snow & cold.

For the record, I didn't think the refs last Saturday were fair at all, to either team. They did call more fouls on Whitworth early on, though. If you look at the box score, it's pretty even, but that wasn't how it played out.