MBB: Northwest Conference

[(509)Rat]

hmmmm.....

Looking forward to seeing Whitworth in Tacoma next year! 

Why?  Did your team all of a sudden improve???

lol +K

[oldchap]

While I don't always agree with The Rat, I don't think he was condescending at all.  As we all know rankings are completely over hyped and don't mean a thing once teams get on the court.  However, seeing how Whitworth was able to take care of business against Chapman, I think Chapman would challenge for an NWC playoff spot.  This obviously means that Chapman would have to play a tougher schedule, and pick up more loses, thus also losing their all important ranking.    

I would love to play UC Santa Cruz a few times a year and then have to face them for a trip to the NCAA Tourney.

Lets be real, Chapman wouldn't have gotten all that far if in the NWC.  And honestly, take that how you will, condescending or not, but its just an opinion.

Wait a minute... The original comment from the Rat (and I paraphrase) was that he was speculating that Whitman would have had no problem beating Chapman AND Marietta, had they been in the playoffs instead of Whitworth. So if we want to stay objective, here is something to chew on: Chapman and Whitman had 5 common opponents and both had a near identical record against these 5 opponents. The only difference comes from a non D3 opponent, Menlo. Menlo won at home against Chapman by 2 points while Whitman beat them in Walla Walla by 5 points. Difficult to conclude anything from this.

Rat's opinion is purely founded on the relatively poor performance that Chapman put out in Spokane, against a really good team on their own turf. It's hardly representative of an entire season and the true value of a team. As for Marietta, I don't know them well enough, but the fact that they were in the Sweet 16 after beating two excellent teams with very good records, says something about them.

I used the word "condescending" because I felt it was a roundabout way to take a cheap shot at two excellent teams. It's possible that Rat didn't mean it this way and in this case I apologize. However, whether he meant it or not, I still think that his comment wasn't very elegant.

One last question: how come you think that teams in the NWC has such a difficult schedule compared to Chapman's when in fact, according to the NCAA calculations, Whitworth's strength of schedule was worse than that of Chapman??

[(509)Rat]

Wait a minute... The original comment from the Rat (and I paraphrase) was that he was speculating that Whitman would have had no problem beating Chapman AND Marietta, had they been in the playoffs instead of Whitworth.

Maybe you should use quotes instead of paraphrasing:

Had the Missionaries made the tourney, and played Whitworth's schedule so far, I'd bet they'd still be in it.

I would bet, meaning my money would be on Whitman to win. Never did I say that "Whitman would have had no problem beating Chapman AND Marietta..."

I've seen Chapman play in person believe it or not (and watched the Redlands and Whitworth games online). I think they would have struggled with Whitman's pressure and tempo. I will admit that I only saw the one Marietta game, BUT Whitworth got into the lane off of the dribble WAY too easy. I think a lot of it had to do with Marietta wanting to limit Whitworth's 3pt shooting and it backfired, but Whitman would present the same problem. Both Chapman and Marietta really liked some of the size that could absolutely kill Whitman.

I simply would have liked those matchups if i was a Whitman fan.

As for your SOS question. It's computed based on OWP and OOWP. The Pirates gave 2 losses to everyone in the NWC and then the rest of the conference was competitive and everyone ends up with some extra losses. Some, like L&C are only able to schedule 1 non-conference, in region opponent. Meaning a lot of NWC teams have some nice wins that aren't factored into OWP and OOWP. Those are just my guesses though. I haven't seen the official OWP and OOWP numbers, but just looking at Chapman's schedule I'm really curious who helped them out, probably Redlands and CMS?

I know you are used to OxyBob's crap, but you really need to realize that this is an internet forum, where opinions and speculations run rampant. And they are just that, opinions.

[Bearcat Press]

Congratulations to the Coach Hayford, his team and Pirates fans everywhere on another outstanding season.  As always, you've done the conference proud.

-BP

[A Buc Forever]

No need to argue about who would beat who, the bottom line is that Whitworth 2010-11 was a very good team and the league was not down this year and all these teams, Chapman, Whitman, LC, could have competed at a national level well enough to get to the Sweet Sixteen with proper seeding.  Hopefully the NWC will get more respect and get more teams in the tournament and maybe even Chapman will get sent to another pod other than with the NWC. 

Wooster is a great team. It was a great game.  WW did not have a great night shooting.  Part of that was due to Wooster's defense, part of it was just a bad night. One more week of Division III basketball and then we get ready for next year and then we can answer the important question of whether WW will reload again?

[theg]

I'm so glad Whitworth lost.  I feel bad for their kids, but not their fans.
Especially the kid with the messed up face and his cohort of idiots.
Suck it.

[OxyBob]

but just looking at Chapman's schedule I'm really curious who helped them out

Not including 28-2 Whitworth, the combined record of the D-III teams Chapman played this season was 117-167. Like it does every year, Chapman played no one and beat no one. When they finally played a good Whitworth team, the game was over after the first 5 minutes.

OxyBob

[wildcat11]

As always, you've done the conference proud.

-BP

Waiting for you to write this about a team you love on the football board.   



Congrats Rats on your fine season.

[oldchap]

Not including 28-2 Whitworth, the combined record of the D-III teams Chapman played this season was 117-167. Like it does every year, Chapman played no one and beat no one. When they finally played a good Whitworth team, the game was over after the first 5 minutes.

OxyBob

ToxicBob is at it again!

Let me ask you something: do you have this text saved on your desktop? Or have you written it so many times that you actually remember it word for word?

Above all, don't let the facts get in the ways of a good argument. According to the NCAA official calculations, Chapman was ranked 15th in the field of the 61 teams that participated in the playoffs in terms of strength of schedule and well above that of Whitworth.

Besides, instead of continuously bashing Chapman's program, shouldn't you worry more about about your Tigers, who have helped Caltech make national news?

[oldchap]

No need to argue about who would beat who, the bottom line is that Whitworth 2010-11 was a very good team and the league was not down this year and all these teams, Chapman, Whitman, LC, could have competed at a national level well enough to get to the Sweet Sixteen with proper seeding.  Hopefully the NWC will get more respect and get more teams in the tournament and maybe even Chapman will get sent to another pod other than with the NWC. 

Wooster is a great team. It was a great game.  WW did not have a great night shooting.  Part of that was due to Wooster's defense, part of it was just a bad night. One more week of Division III basketball and then we get ready for next year and then we can answer the important question of whether WW will reload again?

Thank you for putting to rest this pointless argument in an elegant manner. You are right: we, West Coast Teams, should stick together in front of overwhelming adversity.

As for Whitworth, I am sad they lost. This was a great team, full of good kids, with great work ethics and an excellent coaching staff. As for their fans, except for a handful of trouble makers, the vast majority are just plain great people. I'm looking forward to a rematch Chapman-Whitworth next year, which is already in the books, on a neutral court this time (I think Santa Cruz if my sources are any good)!!!

Peace!

[A Buc Forever]

oldchap,

Is WW coming to the Bay Area next year? Any dates?

[oldchap]

oldchap,

Is WW coming to the Bay Area next year? Any dates?

I don't have any more information other than the fact that Chapman will play Whitworth next year on a neutral court. Rumors have it that it will be in Santa Cruz, but that hasn't been confirmed. Don't quote me on that, as these are just rumors.

The other rumor I got (and this one is for Oxybob) was that Occidental has finally decided to play Chapman next year. Yeah... Now that Riley and Ramme are gone, they think they have a better chance to beat Chapman.... Good one Oxy! ...Talk about "playing no one and beating no one"...

[OxyBob]

According to the NCAA official calculations, Chapman was ranked 15th in the field of the 61 teams that participated in the playoffs in terms of strength of schedule and well above that of Whitworth.

Actually, I added incorrectly. Aside from 28-2 Whitworth, the combined records of the D-III teams Chapman played were 132-179. Chapman only played four D-III teams with winning records: Redlands (16-12), Olglethorpe (15-12), Claremont (16-10), and Cal Lutheran (14-12), which combined were 61-46, a measly 15 games above .500. The other D-III teams Chapman played were 71-133 combined.

Played no one, beat no one.

OxyBob

[Gregory Sager]

In any case, your comments are purely speculative and frankly down right condescending.

Actually, oldchap, you were doing the exact same thing on several boards, with all your "Chapman would've made the Elite Eight if it hand't had to play Whitworth early" talk.

[oldchap]

In any case, your comments are purely speculative and frankly down right condescending.

Actually, oldchap, you were doing the exact same thing on several boards, with all your "Chapman would've made the Elite Eight if it hand't had to play Whitworth early" talk.

Greg, I admit it, you got me! ...with one big exception: I didn't single out any team that Chapman would have likely beat. So yes, my comments were just as speculative but without the indirect jab to any specific programs.