MBB: Northwest Conference

D O.C. · February 20, 2013, 03:14:38 PM

Yeah , well, congratulations to everybody that finished better than 4-20.
Our situation is only solved by Harakiri.
LINFIELD has a situation where all coaches are teachers and teachers get tenure and cannot be shown the exit door - no matter how they embarrass the institution that gave them and gave them and gave them.

dahlby · February 20, 2013, 04:28:50 PM

D O.C.
Are they tenured as teachers and coaches, or just as teachers?

(509)Rat · February 20, 2013, 05:21:35 PM

Doty can't actually be tenured....

Pat Coleman · February 20, 2013, 05:31:58 PM

I believe this is tenured as a prof, yes. Without the coaching position, there wouldn't be much of a full-time position, though, so it is essentially tenured as a coach.

Pinecone_Curtain · February 20, 2013, 06:21:21 PM

All-Conference teams have been released: http://www.nwcsports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/MBB_All_NWC_2013

I actually made up my own before I saw the release and, while I got quite a few right, I missed POY.

My thoughts:
-Not surprised about Sundquist. I think Logie was going to win it until Fox beat WW in Spokane. Then it was Sundquist.
-I think Eisenhardt was the default POY. I don't think he should have gotten it, but I there's nobody who really stood out.
-I thought Gebbers might get POY as sort of a "lifetime achievement" award rather than what he did this year, tho he did make some of WW's most crucial buckets (long 3 @ Fox, almost single-handedly beat WM in Walla Walla).
-If Batiuk plays all season he probably gets POY because he is the best player in the league.
-How did Malley only get HM?!? I had him first team. Granted I basically only watched WW games this season, but he lit us up. He had 30-something last week against us.
-Other than that I was fairly close. I think I had all the players, just had them one level up or down from where they were voted.

Anyone else have thoughts?

(509)Rat · February 20, 2013, 07:25:45 PM

I didn't make an all conference team. Thought about it in my head, then realized I had no idea who would go where. Plus I make all conference teams like I would make a basketball team. 5 first teamers, with each position (as best you can) getting a spot. So Farnsworth would have at least a second team nod (if not a first team) because he was the best post player in the conference. I would have had Malley 1 team higher and probably would have bumped Wester down a team (to make only 5 first team guys)...

I think Sundquist was a fine COY selection. I have no problem with rewarding the coach that beats expectations....

A Buc Forever · February 20, 2013, 11:35:17 PM

Not enough love for Whitworth. I guess after two guys make the first team, voters aren't going to put too many more players from one team on the all star teams. That said, if you were drafting freshmen, would you really take Brakebush over Valle?

playball · February 21, 2013, 08:56:38 AM

Quote from: A Buc Forever on February 20, 2013, 11:35:17 PM
Not enough love for Whitworth. I guess after two guys make the first team, voters aren't going to put too many more players from one team on the all star teams. That said, if you were drafting freshmen, would you really take Brakebush over Valle?

Not enough love? They had 4 spots

catmac567 · February 21, 2013, 05:59:39 PM

I disagree with the thought that Larry Doty has embarassed Linfield College. I have been around since Larry returned to the College as Men's Basketball Coach. He has never done anything to embarass Linfield College, unlike the current AD who embarasses the College everytime he opens his mouth. I have been fortunate to talk with many students of Larry Doty, and they all have a lot of respect for him as a professor and a teacher. If I had a child that had athletic ability I would want him to play for Coach Doty. He does things the right way.
The past years have been tough in terms of wins, but Coach has not gotten much support from the Linfield Administration. It is well known that all sports at Linfield except Football, Baseball and Softball (mainly because the Softball coach is an Assistant Football Coach) are underfunded. Give him the money that Whitman has put into its program and Larry will win. Larry should be in the Linfield Athletic Hall of Fame, but one vindictive old man has veto power.

playball · February 21, 2013, 07:59:44 PM

Quote from: catmac567 on February 21, 2013, 05:59:39 PM
I disagree with the thought that Larry Doty has embarassed Linfield College. I have been around since Larry returned to the College as Men's Basketball Coach. He has never done anything to embarass Linfield College, unlike the current AD who embarasses the College everytime he opens his mouth. I have been fortunate to talk with many students of Larry Doty, and they all have a lot of respect for him as a professor and a teacher. If I had a child that had athletic ability I would want him to play for Coach Doty. He does things the right way.
The past years have been tough in terms of wins, but Coach has not gotten much support from the Linfield Administration. It is well known that all sports at Linfield except Football, Baseball and Softball (mainly because the Softball coach is an Assistant Football Coach) are underfunded. Give him the money that Whitman has put into its program and Larry will win. Larry should be in the Linfield Athletic Hall of Fame, but one vindictive old man has veto power.

Very well said and welcome to the boards! The Athletic department needs to be revamped as a whole with how it operates and generates money. Conflicts of interests are everywhere in the department and when a football alumni group can strong arm their will on current issues there is a problem. Also, if anyone needs proof that Dotes has gotten the short end of the stick, look at him as an athlete at Linfield. Should be in the HOF already as a player but with who is around that will never happen.

As for the Farnsworth being first team possibly, was he a better post player than Eisenhardt and Batuik? Even with Batuik missing a bunch of games I think he should've been higher. Overall stats and that he lead the conference in scoring and rebounding. When was the last time that happened?

(509)Rat · February 21, 2013, 09:32:52 PM

The only thing those two did that was better than Farnsworth was total points. Congrats to Batiuk for scoring a lot of points by taking almost twice as many shots as Farnsworth and 1.5 times more shots than Eisenhardt.

FG%, TO's forced, total rebounds, all belong to Farnsworth. So yeah, I think I could easily justify putting him ahead of one or both of the other guys.

(509)Rat · February 22, 2013, 12:11:41 AM

Whitworth beats LC 74-69. They will play the winner of Whitman v GF Saturday night in Spokane.

currently:

Whitman 62 13;30 left in the game
George Fox 59

formercat · February 22, 2013, 01:37:47 AM

Quote from: (509)Rat on February 21, 2013, 09:32:52 PM
The only thing those two did that was better than Farnsworth was total points. Congrats to Batiuk for scoring a lot of points by taking almost twice as many shots as Farnsworth and 1.5 times more shots than Eisenhardt.

FG%, TO's forced, total rebounds, all belong to Farnsworth. So yeah, I think I could easily justify putting him ahead of one or both of the other guys.

Blah, at Linfield Farnsworth had trouble scoring over their 6'9 freshman who is still very much a work in progress. Farnsworth was throwing up all kinds of garbage against a defender who stood still with his arms straight in the air. I came away not impressed and wondering how he averaged double figure points. Farnsworth is a backup post if he plays with Batiuk or Eisenhardt. Where the hell are you getting your stats?! Both Batiuk and Eisenhardt average more rebounds. TO's forced? Where did you find that stat? He has them in field goal percentage although both of them can shoot from long range with Batiuk being one of the best 3pt shooters in the conference.

formercat · February 22, 2013, 01:42:18 AM

Quote from: catmac567 on February 21, 2013, 05:59:39 PM
Larry should be in the Linfield Athletic Hall of Fame, but one vindictive old man has veto power.

"He who must not be named" is Ad Rutschman former AD at Linfield College. Pulls strings in the background, hate Coach Doty.

A Buc Forever · February 22, 2013, 03:13:33 AM

Every year these all conference teams come out and the top teams get a few extra players on them compared to lower teams, but it makes no sense. Why not give the top teams all the positions they deserve? How does Brakebush get named HM over Valle when when Brakebush averaged 13.4 ppg on 41% shooting and 3.7 rebounds a game and Valle averaged 12.5 ppg on 52% shooting and 3.9 rebounds a game. So much more efficient scoring and more rebounds. Not to mention 14-2 vs 9-7 and Valle is still playing. What is really irritating is that WW's 6th man gets named, but not their two year starter at the 3 spot because the starter is more defense oriented. I find all conference teams completely unsatisfying.