MBB: Northwest Conference

[nwhoops1903]

I think UPS is a lock no matter what they do last 2 or 3 games.  WW will only get an at large if there is enough pool C's available after, hopefully, not to many under-qualified teams upset and win their conference auto (like LC would have to do).  No way NWC sends 3, but I would'a said no way WW hosts a game and gets a bye like the did last year. 

If WW wins next 2 and loses to UPS a third time, I don't see the committee giving WW a 4th crack at UPS in a regional pod.  They would get sent to somewhere like  WIAC/CCIW land or nowhere at all.  WW represented pretty well last year and that won't be forgotten.

[pineconefan]

Pio20 - your scenario doesn't work out.  If you do beat Wman and lose at Whitworth, while Linfield beats Pacific and PLU at home - both teams finish 10-6.  In that case Linfield gets #3 and comes to Spokane and L&C ends up at UPS in the first round.

If Linfield wins twice, then L&C has to win twice this weekend to avoid the #4 seed.  If so, L&C gets the #2 seed and hosts Whitworth in the first round.

[Bearcat Press]

Also, if UPS finishes 16-0, that means they've beaten Willamette, who would finish 8-8 at best and out of the playoffs, since Linfield wins the tiebreaker with the Bearcats by virtue of the Wildcats win over Whitworth.

Unless of course, L&C wins out and finishes second - then the Bearcats would take the tiebreaker.

If this isn't enough to make you're head spin . . .

[nwhoops1903]

Also, if UPS finishes 16-0, that means they've beaten Willamette, who would finish 8-8 at best and out of the playoffs, since Linfield wins the tiebreaker with the Bearcats by virtue of the Wildcats win over Whitworth.

Unless of course, L&C wins out and finishes second - then the Bearcats would take the tiebreaker.

If this isn't enough to make you're head spin . . .

Actually,I think last year was worse with one week to go...UPS, WW, and Linfield look real good.  LC doesnt look bad.  WIL is the team that needs help and an unlikely win vs UPS...

[Bearcat Press]

Also, if UPS finishes 16-0, that means they've beaten Willamette, who would finish 8-8 at best and out of the playoffs, since Linfield wins the tiebreaker with the Bearcats by virtue of the Wildcats win over Whitworth.

Unless of course, L&C wins out and finishes second - then the Bearcats would take the tiebreaker.

If this isn't enough to make you're head spin . . .

Actually,I think last year was worse with one week to go...UPS, WW, and Linfield look real good.  LC doesnt look bad.  WIL is the team that needs help and an unlikely win vs UPS...

Agreed on all counts.

[nwhoops1903]

hey pinecone, why the Sunday game?  Do you know?

[logshock101]

WW represented pretty well last year and that won't be forgotten.

Apparently history is not a factor as was mentioned about a month ago or so.

[logshock101]

pio sorry to bust your bubble, but there is no way in hell that the NWC gets 3 teams into the NCAA tournament. there is likely to be a number of upsets in conference tournaments and those precious at large bids will get snapped up real quick. one more loss for WW puts them at 6 in region losses and will almost surely knock them out of the regional rankings there are 18 at large bids, more than likely 1 or 2 will go to WIACs and if your scenario plays out a 3rd will go to ups. that leaves 15 bids for the rest of D3. I think we all should be concerned with this coming weekend instead of coming up with hypotheticals, once the smoke has cleared and we know who is making their conference tournaments and who is getting automatic bids (for conferences w/o a tourney) then we can start making predictions. a lot of who makes the tourney depends on how everybody else does from around the country.

[logshock101]

I think UPS is a lock no matter what they do last 2 or 3 games.  WW will only get an at large if there is enough pool C's available after, hopefully, not to many under-qualified teams upset and win their conference auto (like LC would have to do).  No way NWC sends 3, but I would'a said no way WW hosts a game and gets a bye like the did last year. 

i believe that WWs bye last year was simply because of the NCAAs penny pinching tendencies. WW was better than the 2 SCIACs that faced each otehr and that is why you hosted similar to UPS having a bye and hosting in 2006

[Pio20]

Pio20 - your scenario doesn't work out.  If you do beat Wman and lose at Whitworth, while Linfield beats Pacific and PLU at home - both teams finish 10-6.  In that case Linfield gets #3 and comes to Spokane and L&C ends up at UPS in the first round.

If Linfield wins twice, then L&C has to win twice this weekend to avoid the #4 seed.  If so, L&C gets the #2 seed and hosts Whitworth in the first round.

I didn't say Linfield would necessarily win out. I was just thinking out loud. The teams don't have to be the ones I mentioned. Basically I was seeing what you guys thought about that scenario that if any other team besides UPS and WW gets the auto-bid...then would the NWC get three teams in possibly?

there is likely to be a number of upsets in conference tournaments and those precious at large bids will get snapped up real quick. a lot of who makes the tourney depends on how everybody else does from around the country.

good point logshock

[LogShow]

I think UPS is a lock no matter what they do last 2 or 3 games.  WW will only get an at large if there is enough pool C's available after, hopefully, not to many under-qualified teams upset and win their conference auto (like LC would have to do).  No way NWC sends 3, but I would'a said no way WW hosts a game and gets a bye like the did last year. 

i believe that WWs bye last year was simply because of the NCAAs penny pinching tendencies. WW was better than the 2 SCIACs that faced each otehr and that is why you hosted similar to UPS having a bye and hosting in 2006

And this could quite reasonably happen again this year with UPS getting a bye again.

[LogShow]

Really looking forward to this weekend's games.  Pac and Willamette have tradionally been tough places for UPS to play.  I am hoping the strong senior leadership with get the Logs through those games so they can make some history!  Almost playoff time !!! 8)

[nwhoops1903]

WW represented pretty well last year and that won't be forgotten.

Apparently history is not a factor as was mentioned about a month ago or so.

I would tend to believe in a coin toss scenario, it would creep into the committees mind.  Now is a coin flip scenario a possibilty in this day and age of statistics and geography?  Yes, it is very slight, but possible.

[logshock101]

I think UPS is a lock no matter what they do last 2 or 3 games.  WW will only get an at large if there is enough pool C's available after, hopefully, not to many under-qualified teams upset and win their conference auto (like LC would have to do).  No way NWC sends 3, but I would'a said no way WW hosts a game and gets a bye like the did last year. 

i believe that WWs bye last year was simply because of the NCAAs penny pinching tendencies. WW was better than the 2 SCIACs that faced each otehr and that is why you hosted similar to UPS having a bye and hosting in 2006

And this could quite reasonably happen again this year with UPS getting a bye again.

That could very well happen especially if the loggers finish conference 16-0 where theyd only have the posibility of 1 in region loss max

[logshock101]

Guys, remember that none of these things -- history, respect, money, or the d3hoops.com poll -- dictate who gets into the tournament and who doesn't. The D3 selection committee operates according to a well-defined formula in terms of picking Pool C (at-large) teams.

this is the only reason why i have to disagree with your belief that there is even a slight chance of a coin flip scenario.

GS has got too much knowledge. The man's got 8 stars by his name, 8! I feel like disagreeing with him is about the equivilant to mobb deep (some okay rappers) dissing Jay-Z (a great one)  8)