MBB: Northwest Conference

[nwhoops1903]

I think Rat said it well when he says you got to play 40 minutes of near perfect to beat Whitworth.  GF did it for 20 minutes i guess and that's the closest anyone has come.  I think teams will do what GF did and try and stop Riley and Taylor and see if the next 4 of Whitworth can beat ya.  The answer is yes the next 4 can, but sometimes it takes 10 minutes to be up 20 points.  Staying close to Whitworth is what a team must do and I think the next 4 games will be entertaining for 10-25 minutes.

[(509)Rat]

etule,
would you pressure on offense and defense? If you were Whitman.

I agree with playball, in that Whitman needs to run on offense. I said that in my previous post. But I've seen plenty of Whitworth vs. Bridgland games and I don't think I've ever seen Whitworth have trouble with the pressure Whitman applies on Defense. Even when he had talented players at UPS, B. Williams made it look easy. Last game Whitman came out and defended everyone, even felix, well beyond the 3 point line...do you really want to put that kind of pressure on all 5 Pirates? Especially when 3-4 of them can make you pay off the dribble and you might want help inside?

Love the drive-by by the old logger fans who don't post anymore...

[playball]

If I were Whitman, I would try and make Riley bring the ball up.  Not saying he is a poor ball handler, but he isn't the playmaker that Taylor and the Gebbers are.  If they can do that and then deny passes to Taylor as much as possible, they might have a chance.  Whitworth has an advantage in Felix, however he doesn't get enough shot attempts per game to win it by himself. 

[(509)Rat]

See that's what I'm talking about. Discussion!

I like playball's plan. Executing would be tricky with Clay, Wade, and Taylor on the floor but it could be very effective if executed. Speaking of Riley, on offense I would attack him and try to get him in foul trouble, something he's had trouble with from time to time. Hayford is smart and will hide Riley on defense using different matchups meaning as an offense you have to force the issue with on and off ball screens and plenty of movement.

Other thoughts?

[playball]

Hayford should put Riley on Peter Clark.  All Clark does is shoot threes, not much attacking the rim with him.  With that match up Riley would be able to just shadow him.  Little chance for fouls since Riley would have to stay by him and not be the help side defender. 

[Keandre]

After watching Whitman play UPS and seeing how UPS gave WW a little trouble. I would say the best thing to do is mix up the press. Trap first pass or trap a certain player or trap a certain spot, this in return will keep WW guessing and while they are trying to figure out what you are doing, it takes a couple of guys out of the play for a bit and gets them against the shot clock which can make them do some things that they are not use to and that is force the offense a little more. Not saying they can't do that, but if you let them just run their stuff and not think about what you are doing on defense, then they are impossible to beat because they got size, speed and play makers through their offense. Also, offensively, I think having 4 penetrators at all times for Whitman will help get either Riley or Felix in foul trouble because if they get past Riley, then they can attack the big fella and if not, they can draw fouls on Riley which will sit him and give them a better chance at keeping it close.

[LoggerNation4040]

Love the drive-by by the old logger fans who don't post anymore...

You've been posting on the site for two whole months...us Loggers don't need useless drivel on a chat board to stay engaged in our program.

Don't worry Dre, I'd be pissed too if Bridgeland left and my team was stuck with Lunt.

Not the case in Tacoma at all. 

I've seen plenty of Whitworth vs. Bridgland games and I don't think I've ever seen Whitworth have trouble with the pressure. Even when he had talented players at UPS, B. Williams made it look easy.

Interesting viewpoint considering Whitworth averaged 20.8 turnovers per game vs UPS in '06 and '07 during Williams' junior and senior seasons. B Williams averaged 6.2 TO in those 5 contests.  Not exactly "making it look easy."

I don't have anything against UPS, but I remember seeing Bridgeland coached teams and being more impressed. And don't bring up 08-09 when Lunt had a good season with all of Bridgeland's recruits.

A good season?  They were only the first team in the current NWC to ever run the table...Lunt was the COY of a team that swept your Bucs in the regular season AND knocked you out of the Big Dance.  And by the way, both Antwan Williams and Rob Krauel were originally recruited by Lunt, not Bridgeland.

I don't mean to pick on you Rat, it just seemed that you needed some education. 

As for this weekend, I'm hopeful that the Loggers can snag these last two games and finish at a respectable 8-8.  Not bad for a young squad that was picked in the pre-season to finish 8th. LC presents some match-up problems as they always do but I think if our boys clean up the glass and contest the 3 well they'll be in good shape.  As for Fox, we beat 'em at home so I'm sure they'll be ready...not to mention playing for their seniors.  Tough but exciting weekend ahead.

[etule]

I agree with Dre on mixing up the defenses and hopefully making them adjust! I would also attack the rim on O and Whitman can do that!
I would also make them shoot off the bounce! We all know the can shoot threes when open. Even if they make a mid range shot if they make 7 less three's that's seven less points.
Everything is going to have to go right and every little bit helps. It is possible!
Just not probable!

[(509)Rat]

LoggerNation,

You could go to page 31 and see a post from 2006...I don't expect you to remember me posting in these boards because you weren't around almost 4 years ago.

Williams Assist to Turnover ration was almost 2:1 between his sophomore and senior seasons against UPS. Sure, he's no Nakamura (who led the nation) but most teams would be happy to have that production against a UPS D under Bridgeland. As talented as those UPS teams were, at times, Williams made it look easy. You probably weren't watching games then either.

Lol, and guys went to Whitworth because of Wecker. Sure he was the one who visited and had a lot of the contact, but Hayford is the head coach. Ultimately it is the head coach that is going to attract players, especially at a DIII level where you don't have the huge budget and staff. Bridgeland was the head coach when A Williams, Krauel, Foster, Marsh, you name 'em was recruited. Look at the talent UPS has now...look at Whitman's upgrade in talent. So yes, Lunt did it in 08/09 with a bunch of guys who came to UPS to play for Bridgeland. Since he took over in 06-07, winning percentage, shooting percentage, opponent shooting percentage has all dropped. If I was involved with a program that was so good for awhile, I would be a little upset. It isn't all rainbows and butterflies in Tacoma...PLU is better than you guys for crying out loud.

On a different note. I like Dre's idea of switching up the D. I was pretty convinced that pressure was a bad idea but if you can effectively switch HOW you are applying pressure, then you might be able to force a few more turnovers. Big IF, but against Whitworth a big IF is all you got.

playball,
good call on Clark. Nice to have someone who knows every other teams' personnel. Didn't know that about Clark, consider me educated.

[playball]

Glad I could help you learn Rat.  Now about my karma...   

[(509)Rat]

Somebody gave you some. I'm still 70 posts away...can't help ya.

[Bearcat Press]

Got your back, playball.

And I'm pretty sure that this:

useless drivel

should be (509)Rat's new signature.

[(509)Rat]

I always considered my "drivel" to be at least entertaining 

[playball]

Drivel is drivel haha    This is a very entertaining game to listen to!  Has a little bit of everything (Fans getting tossed, Raher steamrolling kids, 3 pointers galore).  Glad Im listening!

[(509)Rat]

Don't forget that you have the privilege of listening to the best in the biz, Bob Castle