MBB: Northwest Conference

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Gregory Sager

True. The unofficial nickname of the school is "Swat."
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

OxyBob

Quote from: A Buc Forever on March 08, 2020, 03:13:32 AM
When I was a medical student and doing my cardiology rotation, the attending physician for the rotation came in one day and showed us a picture of us the JV basketball team when he played at Swathmore. Then he pointed to one of the players and said, "That's Mike Dukakis."

Dukakis was a hell of a tough player. His nickname was "The Tank."

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Gregory Sager

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A Buc Forever

Just hope WW doesn't get rolled over.

Greek Tragedy

Quote from: A Buc Forever on March 09, 2020, 01:02:37 AM
Just hope WW doesn't get rolled over.

Way to think positive! LeTourneau had one of the top 5 players in the division this year. Whitworth snuck by them. Then they played the top team in the ASC. Neither are Swarthmore, but I don't think they'll get steam-rolled. It was probably a coin flip that they'd get out of the 1st round and now they're in the Sweet 16.
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Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 09, 2020, 10:32:21 AM
Quote from: A Buc Forever on March 09, 2020, 01:02:37 AM
Just hope WW doesn't get rolled over.

Way to think positive! LeTourneau had one of the top 5 players in the division this year. Whitworth snuck by them. Then they played the top team in the ASC. Neither are Swarthmore, but I don't think they'll get steam-rolled. It was probably a coin flip that they'd get out of the 1st round and now they're in the Sweet 16.

I'd say Whitworth has to manage errors and keep the bigs out of foul trouble.  The starters on both teams match up well, but Swarthmore's got a much deeper bench.  Not in terms of style, but in terms of relentlessness, it's going to be like playing Whitman.  Swat won't necessarily move at the same pace, but they keep you on your toes the same way - and they can throw waves of guys at you.
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BluesBrother

It's awesome to see NWC making it to the Sweet 16 yet again. I wish my Blues had made it, too, but the inconsistency they displayed all year was evident vs UWEC.

It's also nice to see SCIAC advancing after three consecutive years of getting knocked out in the second round vs Whitman. I know these conferences aren't as deep as others, but the top end programs are absolutely national contenders and it's nice when they get a chance to advance without knocking each other off.

Good luck to Whitworth and P-P this weekend!

Greek Tragedy

I realize that the NWC isn't done yet, but I'm already looking towards to next year. Whitworth and Whitman both have heavy losses to graduation. Is there a team that will take over next year or is a matter of reloading rather than rebuilding for the two Whits?
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Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 11, 2020, 12:00:16 AM
I realize that the NWC isn't done yet, but I'm already looking towards to next year. Whitworth and Whitman both have heavy losses to graduation. Is there a team that will take over next year or is a matter of reloading rather than rebuilding for the two Whits?

Linfield graduates some key players, but they bring back a big chunk of their core.  If the recruiting success continues, they'll definitely be contenders into the future.
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Gregory Sager

Quote from: BluesBrother on March 10, 2020, 03:42:00 PM
It's also nice to see SCIAC advancing after three consecutive years of getting knocked out in the second round vs Whitman. I know these conferences aren't as deep as others, but the top end programs are absolutely national contenders

History has not demonstrated that to be true, especially for the SCIAC -- and keep in mind that the SCIAC has been part of D3 since the late '70s. No SCIAC team has ever reached the Final Four, and only the 2017 Whitman team has gotten that far from the NWC. The list of SCIAC and NWC teams that have reached the Elite Eight is not extensive, either:

1981 Whittier
2002 Lewis & Clark
2003 Occidental
2006 Puget Sound
2011 Whitworth
2017 Whitman
2018 Whitman

It would seem that the West Coast teams have made strides in the new millennium, seeing as how they've made six of the 20 Elite Eights played since Y2K. But their performance once they've reached that level has been dismal. The five teams listed above that have reached the Elite Eight but gone no further since 2000 each lost their Elite Eight game by double digits, and the average margin of defeat in those six games was 15 points.

No doubt about it, Whitman has been very solid over the past four seasons. But the 2017 Whitman team distorted what has been the actual record of NWC teams over the past two decades -- and the SCIAC's legacy is in fact far more dismal than the NWC's in the big dance.
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Swarthmore announced they will play without spectators.  Whitworth fans should be cancelling airfare, if they can.
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We regret to inform you that, due to the global coronavirus epidemic (COVID-19), spectators are prohibited from attending this Saturday's NCAA Division III men's basketball game between Swarthmore College and Whitworth University.

Only team personnel, credentialed administration and media*, and gameday staff will be permitted to attend the contest in Tarble Pavilion. Individuals who have already purchased tickets for Saturday's game will be refunded in the coming days.

Fans interested in watching the game can still do so via the Garnet Sports Network beginning at 4:45 p.m.


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Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 11, 2020, 10:54:11 AM
Quote from: BluesBrother on March 10, 2020, 03:42:00 PM
It's also nice to see SCIAC advancing after three consecutive years of getting knocked out in the second round vs Whitman. I know these conferences aren't as deep as others, but the top end programs are absolutely national contenders

History has not demonstrated that to be true, especially for the SCIAC -- and keep in mind that the SCIAC has been part of D3 since the late '70s. No SCIAC team has ever reached the Final Four, and only the 2017 Whitman team has gotten that far from the NWC. The list of SCIAC and NWC teams that have reached the Elite Eight is not extensive, either:

1981 Whittier
2002 Lewis & Clark
2003 Occidental
2006 Puget Sound
2011 Whitworth
2017 Whitman
2018 Whitman

It would seem that the West Coast teams have made strides in the new millennium, seeing as how they've made six of the 20 Elite Eights played since Y2K. But their performance once they've reached that level has been dismal. The five teams listed above that have reached the Elite Eight but gone no further since 2000 each lost their Elite Eight game by double digits, and the average margin of defeat in those six games was 15 points.

No doubt about it, Whitman has been very solid over the past four seasons. But the 2017 Whitman team distorted what has been the actual record of NWC teams over the past two decades -- and the SCIAC's legacy is in fact far more dismal than the NWC's in the big dance.

Right, I'm mostly thinking about recent history, like the past five years. For instance, the Claremont teams that knocked off Whitworth two years in a row and then nearly beat Whitman were pretty darn good. Same for last year's Pomona team. Basically, I would argue that the past four years Whitman, Whitworth, and the top SCIAC team were all Elite Eight caliber teams. But for three of those years, because of bracketing, only one team could advance to the Sweet 16. I'm not complaining. I understand the reality. But given that reality, I don't think you can accurately evaluate the quality of the top-tier NWC and SCIAC teams based on advancement in the national tournament.

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