MBB: Northwest Conference

[Gilbert McFinnegan]

Old School-
Appreciate the comments, and the respectful approach.  It looks like you could have ripped me a little harder with the level detail regarding the selection process that you possess, but yet showed restraint.  Good lesson...you must have watched Jet Li's Fearless on Christmas as well.

I understand the gist of the selection process, and the comment you were referencing was a sarcastic rant in the middle of a much larger discourse between Pat, UPSoundLogs, myself and some other late comer...I forget.  However, I will not claim to know the process as fully as you do.  What I was trying to convey was that no matter how clearly guidelines are put forth in anything such as selection faced by the D3 comittee, there are other "factors," unaccounted for, that probably sneak their way in and create some influence and possibly decide some close calls.  I was suggesting that such things might consist of polls such as D3hoops, money, connections...you know humanistic type things that cannot be separated from the process even if mandated.

Just so you don't think I am totally unfounded with this whole money deal, look at last years at large SCIAC selection: Occidental. I know there was a lot to it, and I am unsure of all the wins and losses involved, but I know the committee had the choice between a 20-6 NWC team, WW, with the 6th loss coming in the conference tournament, or a 19-5 SCIAC team.  On its face, it may seem that the prospect of flying WW to southern CA may have been taken into account or at least broke the tie, if there was one. I am not sure. Either way, it is just a general speculation and am just trying to explain an earlier comment.  I AM NOT TRYING TO OPEN THAT CAN OF WORMS. (meaning whether or not Oxy should have got an at large as opposed to WW last year...so don't try and reel me in)

[Warren Thompson]

So Pat has created trouble on your board as well huh?  Hmmmm...I'm beginning to get the feeling he is not the most liked poster around.  Being that I'm new to the d3board I don't want to create any judgement calls too early in the game.   With that said, 15,000 posts is a lot of whining!!!  Even if it is only..."Virtual breath(The Pman) "  Sorry i judged...oops!

Webmeister Pat doesn't "create" trouble, but he commonly has to deal with trouble-makers in various rooms.

[UPSoundLogs]

Warren-

You don't really deserve a comment from anybody, but I just wanted to point out that you have made it painfully clear my first predictions about you were correct!  You are nothing more than the P-man's unfunny sidekick, I'm embarrassed for you.  At least Pat forms his own opinions and thoughts,  I may disagree with him but can still respect his views and knowledge.  You have made two posts on this board that have offered absolutely no value or opinion other than to unsuccesfully try to stick up for your master P-Coleman.  I can assure you Pat is more than capable of taking care of himself, you are free to go back and lie down in your kennel like a good dog. 

Gil-
You watched Fearless too?  Jet Li is my favorite! It kind of reminds me of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon with all the dancing and the magic!!!

[Warren Thompson]

Woof, woof, Pat. Want me to roll over? If I do, will you give me a dog biscuit?

[Greek Tragedy]

Old School-
I think you have more d3hoops knowledge than is healthy for any one human being to possess.  I'm slightly intimidated to ask you any questions, but if I ever think of a good one you are the first person I'm asking!  I appreciate the insight you bring to the table...its good stuff. 

I appreciate the kind words.  However, there are many posters who know a lot more than I do! ...so, don't feel intimidated! lol.

Old School-
Appreciate the comments, and the respectful approach.  It looks like you could have ripped me a little harder with the level detail regarding the selection process that you possess, but yet showed restraint.  Good lesson…you must have watched Jet Li’s Fearless on Christmas as well.

I stopped "being in fights" awhile ago!  Or at least I try to avoid them.  Jet Li's Fearless isn't too bad.

As for Oxy getting in instead of Whitworth...I know you don't want to open up that can of worms again, but it might have to do with the fact that Oxy beat Whitworth during the season...that seems to go a long way.  (they also had a higher Quality of Wins Index (SOSI)...

Anyway...back to your NWC banter.

[Pat Coleman]

Indeed, the key numbers on Oxy/Whitworth from last season:

Occidental    9.750 QOWI/SOSI, .750 regional winning pct., head-to-head win
Whitworth    9.542 QOWI/SOSI, .750 regional winning pct., head-to-head loss

[Gilbert McFinnegan]

As for Oxy getting in instead of Whitworth...I know you don't want to open up that can of worms again, but it might have to do with the fact that Oxy beat Whitworth during the season...that seems to go a long way.  (they also had a higher Quality of Wins Index (SOSI)...

Anyway...back to your NWC banter.

Exactly why I did not want to open that can of worms...I knew I did not know exactly what I was getting into.  Point taken.  Thank you for the clarification.  Looks like my money argument is officially dead for now.

Now that situation is coming back to me...I think there was discussion that Claremont winning that conference that made the WW case for an at large bid really weak, and  that if Oxy won that conference WW might have had a legit shot....Good stuff.

Woof, woof, Pat. Want me to roll over? If I do, will you give me a dog biscuit?

Warren-
I hope you are being sarcastic.  I think the worst part about it is that we are not sure.

[Pat Coleman]

Warren has been on the boards for about eight years now and got his Hall of Fame status by being the voice of reason on many boards when they have needed one. I appreciate the help and hope the newbie posters would have a little more respect.

Thanks.

[Warren Thompson]

Pat, thanks for your kind words. Yet maybe we should cut the northwest posters just a little slack. After all, it's always raining up there, and that surely must affect their judgement, sensitivity, and civility. 

[bucs77]

Pat and Old School,
      While I think that for the most part selection is fair (example WW and oxy last year WW lost to oxy by 1 and even though they won their last 10 in a row and oxy lost 3 of 5, oxy beat them.) But I think money shows where in the 2002-2003 season when 23-3 whitworth who won their league had to go to gustavus adolphus who didnt win their league and went 22-6 and ranked lower in the region.  The next game was going to be played in Wisconsin so it was cheaper to make WW play an away game even though they had earned a home contest.

[Pat Coleman]

I can't argue with you there. The pairings and site selection process sucks sometimes.

More disappointing, the NCAA didn't even tell Whitworth why they had done this. They had to find out from me.

[bucs77]

Well we do appreciate it, but it seems that NWC fans are not as educated in all of these dealings as back east.  I guess we are not around it( physically)  and are too busy looking out the window at the rainy weather wondering if we might make the post season and singing songs of hope throughout the mountains.

[D O.C.]

Leave Warren alone.

He sits on the other side of the scale to balance the rest of us LINFIELD posters.

[Coach C]

I just stumbled across this discussion and i have to ask you a question.  Are you guys out of your #UCKING minds?  Insulting WARREN?

Warren was on this site when you guys were in diapers.  He has seen more basketball than 95% of the posters here.  If he and Pat agree on an issue, then they are probably right.  Insult most folks if you want to.  It may be rude, but it's ok.  But if you see a guy with Hall of Famer and nearly 80 karma points, you are dealing with a legend.

As for Pat, He gives you guys the opportunity to play here.  He is fuklly within his rights to be grumpy now and then.  He works like 10 hours a day at a real job then puts in abouth 8 or 10 providing content for the D3 sites.  For you guys to attack him shows zero class.

Finally, the selection system is not a real good on, but it was right last year on the Whit- Oxy deal.

Best,

C

[Pat Coleman]

To the poster whose post was just removed -- you might want to rethink your contribution to the board. Thanks.