MBB: Northwest Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Let's not mince words here. Here's what they spent. If they are confident enough in this figure to report it to the federal government then I am sure they will stand behind it in this measly forum.

Besides, who's to say they didn't overspend their budget and cover for it by fundraising? Your "get your facts straight" goes both ways, bucs.

Who's the made-up source you want us to believe?

[bucs77]

pat we were talking about means to travel.  The Sciac board was giving sob stories about how they weren't given the MBB budget that WW was given.  I pointed out that it simply wasn't true.  At the beginning of the year OXY is starting with more money from the institution.   You are right in that after that the fundraising can go up, but lets not accuse someone of being a liar when they are in fact correct.

[Pat Coleman]

You haven't given your source, though. You want us to believe that you have numbers that show more than a 25% change from what the numbers I listed show? You better come up with some damn good evidence to back that up.

I've backed my statement. You back yours.

[bucs77]

Tell me the good in giving the source.  Is it so you can look them up to see if they work there, or is it so that you can call them and say "I'm trying to win an arguement"  How about you actually call an figure it out like I did.   

[Pat Coleman]

Nope. I have a published, verifiable source. You have hearsay. I think the burden is on the person who is providing the hearsay to back it up.

[bucs77]

go ahead and hide behind that.  I hope it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know that you brought a source that means nothing to the table.  I think im gonna research how much ww spent on food and then bring that in a PUBLISHED article. 

[bucs77]

 If you want the straight numbers then chew on this.  WW is given in the 25,000 range at the beginning of the year from the school.  Fundraising by the coach and players gets them up to over double where they start.  Think about what you are saying before you talk.  Oh and yes that is a fact because I am one of the donors for their program and have talked with the WW coaches on more than one occasion about the #s

[Pat Coleman]

I guess you think Whitworth is the only school that does fundraising?

[bucs77]

I feel like there is an echo in here.  We are having the same conversation on 2 boards, anyway.  The question was over who was allocated more resources/funds at the beginning of the year by their respective school.  WW or Oxy.  You have established that OXY spent less overall. That was not the question.  I have answered it and it is factual assuming I was not given false information by the athletic dept.s.  you can research the correct question for yourself or we will drop it.

UPSLOGS I think I'm fading into the depths of NEGATIVE KARMA

[UPSoundLogs]

I understand what you are saying bucs!  

Just like WW, UPS also fundraises A LOT to help with Travel/Food/Fun/etc. expenses to make the D3 spending budget that they are given stretch out and allow the players a more enjoyable experience.  There is a BIG difference between what a teams "Budget" is and what a teams "Operating Expenses" are over the course of a season.  

[Pat Coleman]

For all teams. Not just Whitworth.

[wildcat11]

I found the operating expenses info on Basketball to be interesting.

Here is the breakdown on the NWC and SCIAC in terms of OE:

NWC:
$75,513 -UPS
$58,667-Whitworth
$47,981-Whitman
$47,591-GFU
$46,153-Willamette
$41,498-Linfield
$34,384-Pacific
$30,853-L&C

SCIAC:
$44,028-Oxy
$36,175-Claremont
$23,975-Redlands
$22,000-Chapman
$16,262-Cal Lu
$14,507-LaVerne
$14,431-Pamona
$10,400-Whittier

[bucs77]

haha, are you a little slow pat?
C'mon man.... do you agree that we have established your facts are useless?

[UPSoundLogs]

HaHaHaHaHa

Bucs-
Join the club in the depths of the negative karma black hole!  My Karma has been ticking away since my first post, I was doomed from the start.  Just make sure that you check both ways when crossing the street...and if you see a black cat RUUUUUUN!!!!   

[Pat Coleman]

haha, are you a little slow pat?
C'mon man.... do you agree that we have established your facts are useless?

No, I have other things to do than argue with you on two boards.

I have facts. You have hearsay. Until that changes your words mean nothing.