MBB: Northwest Conference

[David Collinge]

SCIAC is #13 in the Massey ratings without MOV, and #21 in the Massey ratings using MOV.

Most observers seem to think that the MOV ratings are the more accurate.  I believe the non-MOV ratings were devised because the NCAA didn't want D1 teams running up the score on inferior opponents, so they mandated that MOV could not be part of the selection process.  I think Massey is part of RPI, whatever that is, or maybe the BCS in football (since I don't give a rats patootey about D1, I'm not clear), so Kenneth Massey came up with a bastardized version to satisfy Indianapolis.

All the evidence you need is that Lake Erie is #2 in the non-MOV rankings.  Using the MOV algorithm, they drop to #33.

[NWCer]

Bucs and Logs,

I can go with your predictions, and their honest ones considering you both want my Boxers to win and you're predicting LC.  With LC being so good at home and Pacific struggling on the road, I'll say it's 50/50 at best.  I was at the last two Pac/LC games, last year's Pacific blowout win and this year's Pacific OT win (after a dominating 1st half), so hopefully there's a confidence thing going on in Pacific's head that will help them pull through tonight.  Looking forward to catching tonight's game.

[(509)Rat]

Give it up Collinge, although I agree with you, you've started an argument with an old Oxy fan who will not stop arguing your topic until he is either dead or has such a severe case of carpel tunnel that he can no longer type (but even in that case he'll just get one of those voice recognition programs so he can continue to rant).  Either way I don't think anyone can argue that the SCIAC is stronger than the NWC this season (even Oxy Bob didn't argue that point), but the top 2-3 SCIAC teams would give the top NWC teams a run for their money week in and week out if they were to play each other frequently.  Anyways...even though the game is at LC, it's two teams who rely on their ability to shoot the ball and I'm gonna venture out and say LC goes a little cold tonight.  Pacific 72  LC 68

[bucs77]

Oxybob I didn't know there was a ranking with and without MOV either.  I just went off of the one that I came across.   Just like 509 rat said I think a few interesting games would be:

WW vs. Redlands  Edge to WW

OXY vs. LC         edge to OXY

UPS vs. Cal Lu.  Edge to UPS

I would actually like to see UPS vs. Redlands the most

How 'bout next year we create a SCIAC/NWC Challenge like the ACC/Big Ten Challenge?

[Gray Fox]

How 'bout next year we create a SCIAC/NWC Challenge like the ACC/Big Ten Challenge?

Good idea.
Next year there is going to be a PAC 10/Big 12 challenge, too.
The difference is revenue (DI) vs expense (D3). 

[bucs77]

true, but we can dream

[bucs77]

same as last time...I can't get the radio to work for the PAC LC game.  If someone is listening and wants to give updates a few times I would appreciate it

[Pat Coleman]

MOV vs. non-MOV. It all hinges on what you want -- do you want a BCS type of ranking or an RPI type of ranking? If you want the BCS style ranking, then use the non-MOV. If you want a real ranking, you better use margin of victory.

Nice to know Oxy and Whitworth get some credit for beating Caltech by a million points.

Hardly. I am pretty sure Massey caps the value of a game's MOV at well short of the 77 points Oxy beat Caltech by.

[bucs77]

Thanks Pat.   So you would say MOV is better?

[bucs77]

Any news on a halftime score? LC/ PAC

[Pat Coleman]

Thanks Pat.   So you would say MOV is better?

I think it seems more accurate. Neither one is perfect but I think that just throwing the score out the window isn't very enlightening.

[bucs77]

looks like LC smashed PAC tonight.  It all comes down to the UPS WW   and LC WW games for 1st 2nd and 3rd

[bucs77]

i meant ww ups and lc ups  games

[pineconefan]

Maybe I can't add anymore, but shouldn't Whitworth's overall and regional records listed in this week's regional rankings be 19-2 and 16-2?  They seem to be missing a win in there, which could have an impact.  Even without the Walla Walla game, I still get 18 regional counters, according to the schedule on this website.

[NWCer]

Pineconefan,

Your math is correct, I was looking at the same thing as well.  They have Wheaton down as a region game, yet they are a midwest region team.  Take that one out and everything adds up.

After my daughter's game last night I went to catch the second half of the Pac/LC game.  LC offense was clickin', they could make noise in the conference tourney, and if they play the way they did the second half last night, they could make noise in the "big dance".  My Boxers are another recruiting class and a couple of athletes away.