MBB: Northwest Conference

[LogShow]

fair enough...let's hope the loggers make it back out the the midwest in march.  There will be no question then that the Logs will be playing the best teams in Wis & Ill.

[Gregory Sager]

True dat!

[LogShow]

NWCer...Pac is finally on the board!!!

Was anyone at the Linfield Warner Pac game...it was actually so what close?

[LogShow]

WW is the only team that plays today.  They have Southwestern (Ariz.), hopefully they will fare better then they did against Chapman

[LogShow]

Whitworth, which has already played a grueling nonconference game with Caltech, and has not one but two upcoming games with always powerful UC Santa Cruz, which so far is 1-4 with a win against Caltech

I had commented on this earlier.  I don't understand why WW why play such a soft schedule.  I know they are young and need confidence, but you just don't get better playing teams like Cal Tech, UC Santa Cruz and the like.  Kind of seems like a waste of games, the interesting part is that it hasn't been just this year.  I guess WW is just padding their West Region win record .  Too bad their SOSI and quality wins will be next to nothing

[UPSoundLogs]

Bob,

Have you had a chance to see Whitworth when they've been playing down in your neck of the woods?  From what I'm hearing from people and seeing in the box scores they aren't doing too well thus far.  They aren't exactly playing a grueling schedule(to put it lightly), as you've pointed out, and they still aren't playing well.  Any thoughts?

Logshow,

Will you be attending the Cal State Stanislaus game at UPS next weekend?  I hear they are a very tough D2 team, and I'm guessing that's about the best school UPS has coaxed  into coming to their gym in a while.  Between that game and Warner Pacific, the Loggers have some serious competition in the next 2 games.  

[TeeDub]

I saw WW play against Southwestern yesterday afternoon and don't let the final score fool you.  The game was a 5-point game until about 8 minutes to go when SW just ran out of gas.  WW can shoot the ball from the perimeter pretty well, but take that away and they may struggle.  Their interior play has moments of promise, but not consistent.  The difference in the Southwestern game yesterday was soley rebounding.  Southwestern just doesn't pursue boards so WW got many easy putbacks off the offensive glass.  Tonight will be a much better indicator of where WW fits into the mix.  Good luck!

[LogShow]

Sound,  I am planning on going to the Cal State game, should be a good one.  I am guessing that you will be there too!  These next few games will show a lot about what the loggers are bringing to the table this year.

It will be interesting to see how WW does against Pomona tonight...hopefully they can pull it together.  It is interesting to see Riley be the leading scorer...he is only a freshman, I wouldn't want to rely on a freshman to lead my team unless his name was Durant.

My real question is where has Symes been at?  He was first team last year, but he only had 10 and 9 boards against Southwest.  Things were probably easier last year with surrounded by lots of talent...

[pineconefan]

Jordis -

You are a great example of why eye-witness testimony is often so ineffective in a courtroom setting.  If you check the box score (http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Basketball_Men/Statistics/07-08/HTML/m3-swc.htm), you will see that SW had an early run in the second half to pull within 7, but then the Pirates never led by less than 10 points and led by 20+ with five minutes to play.

[pineconefan]

I haven't commented on the Pirates yet, simply because I have not had a chance to see them play in person yet. 

But I think tonight's game against Pomona will tell more than the season opener against Chapman.  I think the fact that Chapman was playing its third game when the Pirates were playing their first game had a big impact on the outcome.  Coaches are able to make huge adjustments after seeing their players in action against live opponents.

[pineconefan]

I have to agree with Logshow, though, about Symes.  Much is expected of him this season and his performance so far has been disappointing.  I wonder if maybe he is one of the injured players CAWCDAD referred to being mention about by the parents.

[pineconefan]

Logshow - I do have to take issue with your rip on Hayford, however.

"I would have loved to see Hayford's reaction during and after that game, this year he doesn't have 4 studs to pull the team along.  I can just picture him pouting and whining on the sideline..."

None of the coaches in the NWC make big money and none are getting rich from shoe contracts and coaches shows like their D1 counterparts.  I therefore don't think they need the same kind of abuse from opposing fans that D1 coaches have to take.

These guys are mostly here because they are committed to education, teaching the game, being a part of the institution.  Look at the long-time coaches (L&C, Willamette, Linfield, Whitman, GFU). 

[LogShow]

Logshow - I do have to take issue with your rip on Hayford, however.

Pinecone,  I don't disagree with anything you said.  I am willing to bet that Hayford does lots of teaching about basketball and life, and nobody can argue that he doesn't take care of his guys (nice gear ect.)

The comment stemmed from the story a number of years ago when WW was down at Willamette and won (a povital game) at the very end.  He celebrated in the middle of the court pumping his fist and pointing at the crowd taunting them.  To me that is childish, and a poor example to set for the team.  That being said...everyone does deserve a second chance

[cawcdad]

. . .Will you be attending the Cal State Stanislaus game at UPS next weekend?  I hear they are a very tough D2 team, and I'm guessing that's about the best school UPS has coaxed  into coming to their gym in a while.  Between that game and Warner Pacific, the Loggers have some serious competition in the next 2 games.  

I saw CSU Stanislaus play on Wednesday. They beat a poor Chico team. Chico and Stanislaus are picked to finish 8 & 9 in their league. I was not impressed by the Warriors. They will bomb away from three point land. But they will get out of control when they run. Chico ran a better half court offense, just had trouble putting the ball in the hoop in the first half. Chico was down by about 17 at the half and was able to cut it to as close as 3 by playing hard nosed D in the second half. I was also amazed at how many errant passes there were from both teams. Many unforced. I didn't see that many in the Cal Tech-UCSC game. It would not surprise me one bit for UPS to beat Stanislaus.

[UPSoundLogs]

Cawcdad,

Thanks for the information, for some reason I was under the impression that Cal State had a very good squad.  I fully expect UPS to beat them, but I'm a little disappointed that they aren't supposed to be better than that.  Oh well, it'll still be fun to go to a game.