MBB: Northwest Conference

LogShow · February 23, 2008, 01:50:28 AM

Quote from: nwhoops1903 on February 23, 2008, 01:21:01 AM
So if LC and WIL win Sat does UPS miss playoffs? OMG...Did I mention something about tanking both games...LOWER MY KARMA...I DON'T CARE!

Whitworth is champ. We will see whomever next weekend in the snowy fieldhouse.

NWHoops, you won't get any Karma lowering from me. WW won it fair in square. UPS had more then they deserved in chances, but could never capitalize...congrats to WW their record says they are the best team. I just hope UPS gets one more chance to play them.

NWCer · February 23, 2008, 02:01:13 AM

Wow, I was at the Pac/Will game and they updated us at half of the LC/UPS game, was stunned, even more stunned by the final, what happened Logshow?

Pac and Willamette really battled, once again, too much Howe and Van Domelen, fun game, the McClary kid is gooooooodddd!

Congrats to Whitworth.

nwhoops1903 · February 23, 2008, 02:29:56 AM

Standings after tonight:

Whitworth 12-4 Reg. season Champion. Host next Sat.
Puget Sound 10-5
Lewis & Clark 9-6
Willamette 9-6
Linfield 8-7
Pacific 8-7
Pacific Lutheran 7-8
George Fox 4-11
Whitman 1-14

nwhoops1903 · February 23, 2008, 02:37:22 AM

Now tomorrow will be fun. Do we all agree?

UPS can get 2nd with a win
UPS can get 3rd if they lose and LC loses.
UPS gets eliminated if they lose and LC wins by virtue of WIL's and LC's record vs WW (1-1)

What's interesting is if LC and WIL lose and LIN and PAC win. 4 way tie for 3rd.

All 4 split with WW so who did what vs UPS? Back tomorrow AM.

NWCer · February 23, 2008, 03:02:44 AM

God knows I don't want my Boxers losing at PLU tomorrow, but if they do, then that means 7 teams would be .500 or better, has that ever happenned? I say leave Whitman at home and have an 8 team tourney....

pineconefan · February 23, 2008, 03:22:14 AM

Wow, got to say hats off to the Pirates on the NWC title. Not many folks expected them to win again after graduating four starters and the conference player of the year.

I know folks could make solid cases for Coach James and even Coach Doty, but how does Jim Hayford not get NWC Coach of the Year this season based on the above?

And if Symes gets Player of the Year, that will be three straight Pirates (all different) getting that award - Pecht, Williams and Symes.

pineconefan · February 23, 2008, 03:23:29 AM

Personally I think L&C is scary right now and if they get into the conference tournament, they are very dangerous. Based on their results over the last couple of weekends, they seem to have found their stride.

pineconefan · February 23, 2008, 03:26:16 AM

By the way, welcome back BBaddict. It's good to have that Bearcat voice back in here.

bbaddict · February 23, 2008, 03:30:59 AM

OK, I'm confused. People keep referring to Whitworth as the Conference Champ for 2008, but according to the NWC website info, they still need to win the 3 team tourney to earn that right. A few years ago it automatically went to the team with the best season, but that's not how the rules are written now. They finished first in the standings in the Conference, but to be the Champ, you have to win out.

Quoted from Governance section of NWC site:
5.0 CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP
5.l Determination of Conference Champion
5.1.1 The champion will be the winner of the NWC championship
basketball tournament. (Adopted Spring 2004)
5.2 Dates and Times
5.2.1 The NWC postseason tournament shall begin on the Wednesday and
Thursday following completion of regular season play. The #2 seed shall
host the #3 seed.
The tournament championship shall be played on Friday and Saturday. The #1 seed
shall host the winners of Wednesday's and Thursday's contests. Women and Men
will alternate the Wednesday/Friday and Thursday/Saturday schedule (Women in
even # years, Men in odd # years). The winning teams are the conference automatic
qualifiers to the NCAA III tournament. (Adopted December, 2006)
5.2.2 Game times will be determined in accordance with the NWC
Tournament Guidelines (Adopted December, 2006)

Anybody want to comment? I personally am holding my breath for tomorrow's results -- it's a crazy year for NWC basketball. Seems like anybody could win it at this point -- except for Fox or Whitman!

bbaddict · February 23, 2008, 03:35:11 AM

Quote from: NWCer on February 23, 2008, 03:02:44 AM
God knows I don't want my Boxers losing at PLU tomorrow, but if they do, then that means 7 teams would be .500 or better, has that ever happenned? I say leave Whitman at home and have an 8 team tourney....

I think an 8 team tourney is a great idea!! The Boxers really played well tonight & WU was not so stellar. It's REALLY dark in that gym!! Do you really think you'll win at PLU? What's your road record?

And, apparently L&C hasn't rolled over yet given the score of the UPS/LC game. Seems that Joey Taboni had quite a night?

I can't believe how the playoff picture is going down to the last games of the regular season --- when was the last time that happened?

Pio20 · February 23, 2008, 03:57:06 AM

Quote from: bbaddict on February 23, 2008, 03:30:59 AM
OK, I'm confused. People keep referring to Whitworth as the Conference Champ for 2008, but according to the NWC website info, they still need to win the 3 team tourney to earn that right. A few years ago it automatically went to the team with the best season, but that's not how the rules are written now. They finished first in the standings in the Conference, but to be the Champ, you have to win out.

Quoted from Governance section of NWC site:
5.0 CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP
5.l Determination of Conference Champion
5.1.1 The champion will be the winner of the NWC championship
basketball tournament. (Adopted Spring 2004)
5.2 Dates and Times
5.2.1 The NWC postseason tournament shall begin on the Wednesday and
Thursday following completion of regular season play. The #2 seed shall
host the #3 seed.
The tournament championship shall be played on Friday and Saturday. The #1 seed
shall host the winners of Wednesday's and Thursday's contests. Women and Men
will alternate the Wednesday/Friday and Thursday/Saturday schedule (Women in
even # years, Men in odd # years). The winning teams are the conference automatic
qualifiers to the NCAA III tournament. (Adopted December, 2006)
5.2.2 Game times will be determined in accordance with the NWC
Tournament Guidelines (Adopted December, 2006)

Anybody want to comment? I personally am holding my breath for tomorrow's results -- it's a crazy year for NWC basketball. Seems like anybody could win it at this point -- except for Fox or Whitman!

I think people just mean the regular season conference champion. Those are the ones that get the banners in the gym etc. The playoff is really just for the automatic berth to the NCAA tournament. The conference champion is recognized after regular season play.

I was very suprised by the LC-UPS score. Didn't see that coming, but apparently we have UPS' number. I think we just match up with them well because all of our players can handle the ball well when they press. Toboni definitely still wants it. He is the heart and soul of this team for sure. Big game tomorrow at Linfield! I will be there!

LogShow · February 23, 2008, 06:33:27 AM

Quote from: NWCer on February 23, 2008, 02:01:13 AM
Wow, I was at the Pac/Will game and they updated us at half of the LC/UPS game, was stunned, even more stunned by the final, what happened Logshow?

Pac and Willamette really battled, once again, too much Howe and Van Domelen, fun game, the McClary kid is gooooooodddd!

Congrats to Whitworth.

all I can say is *sigh*

$:-\$

Just another very very very frustrating game to watch

LogShow · February 23, 2008, 06:34:04 AM

I have no answers...that was not UPS basketball. I don't know who showed up on the floor

LogShow · February 23, 2008, 11:30:50 AM

Well it all comes down to tonight...UPS has to win against Willamette. If Linfield can hold off LC then there would be a 4 way tie for 3rd place. If they all split against each other and all split against WW it would go to how they did against UPS. Linfield, LC split. Willamette depends on tonight, but UPS already beat them in Salem. And Pac got swept by UPS. So It would pretty much be between LC and Linfield. I think the next criteria is record against teams below the tie so that would be against PLU (assuming Pac is in the tie-breaker). I think Linfield has the edge here as I think PLU has beaten LC twice.

nwhoops1903 · February 23, 2008, 01:33:54 PM

bbaddict wrote: "OK, I'm confused. People keep referring to Whitworth as the Conference Champ for 2008, but according to the NWC website info, they still need to win the 3 team tourney to earn that right"

Conference Champion is recognized by REGULAR season record which is why LC and WW were co-champions last year.

From the preseason poll: "Lewis & Clark College, a co-champion of the Northwest Conference last season, is a unanimous pick to win the title in 2007-08, according to the preseason poll of NWC coaches...Whitworth University, the other co-champion from last winter, is third in the poll with 61 points"

The verbage is to determine the auto-berth and to name a conference champion for the NCAA tourney. It is a bit clumsy in how it is written in my opinion, but perhaps it has to be like that to satisfy the NCAA.

There will be no co-champ in next years press releases because WW has won it for 2008.