MBB: Northwest Conference

[nwhoops1903]

I have no answers...that was not UPS basketball. I don't know who showed up on the floor

Will UPS or the UPS imposters be wearing dresses again tonight?

[LogShow]

It is all about the National Tourney but...being regualr season champ gives that team a huge advantage towards getting the AQ.

[LogShow]

I have no answers...that was not UPS basketball. I don't know who showed up on the floor

Will UPS or the UPS imposters be wearing dresses again tonight?

Ahhhh...I am not going to take that bait.  The UPS men will be there in full force, its too big of a game.  And its senior night.  And I feel that UPS matches up very well against Willamette.  Their young guards have a tough time handling UPS pressure.

[LogShow]

History would disagree with the coach of the year going to the coach with the best regualr season record.  In 2004 UPS was 15-1, Bridgeland was COY.  2005 UPS was 15-1 and it went to Sundquist.  2006 UPS was 14-2 and that year I think it went to Hayford (I could be wrong).  But maybe this can be explained because Bridgeland was not well liked throughout the league.

[nwhoops1903]

NWhoops -- I can't explain why anything is written the way it is on the NWC site -- that's why I was confused in the first place!  I'm just going with what's written.

Choose which one you want to read and quote which one helps make your case, I guess.

And Coach Hayford will get it because his team did win the reg. season and will at least tie for best record over the entire conf. schedule.  W/L isn't a lock, but climbing positions from preseason poll is very much looked at.  Coach James is a very good coach and WIL will be near the very top next year.  He should get some well deserved votes.  WIL was picked to finish 6th, WW 3rd.

POTY is Symes.  Foster could have taken it but will most likely next year, hands down.  He is the most talented UPS player I have seen in 8 years.  Under a different system, he might average 30.

[nwhoops1903]

I have no answers...that was not UPS basketball. I don't know who showed up on the floor

Will UPS or the UPS imposters be wearing dresses again tonight?

Ahhhh...I am not going to take that bait.  The UPS men will be there in full force, its too big of a game.  And its senior night.  And I feel that UPS matches up very well against Willamette.  Their young guards have a tough time handling UPS pressure.

They better show up.  It would be a long off season if they lose.

[nwhoops1903]

http://www.nwcsports.com/sports/basketball_men/NorthwestConferenceHistory.pdf

Northwest Conference Men's Basketball History
Year Champion             Player of the Year                    Coach of the Year
2007 Whitworth/L&C     Bryan Williams, Whitworth       Jim Hayford, Whitworth
2006 Puget Sound        Lance Pecht, Whitworth           Eric Bridgeland, Puget Sound
2005 Puget Sound        Mark Gayman, George Fox         Mark Sundquist, George Fox
2004 Puget Sound     Matt Glynn, Puget Sound             Eric Bridgeland, Puget Sound

[bbaddict]

And I feel that UPS matches up very well against Willamette.  Their young guards have a tough time handling UPS pressure.
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The only time UPS has seen our "young guards" this season was when they played in Salem and WU only had 8 players to UPS's 15!  The Bearcats were still rearranging positions to replace Mansfield & another guy.  They're both back and the other players stepped up in their absence.  It definitely will be a game and WU has more to lose.   

Wish I could be there!  Last time I saw WU play at UPS it was a triple OT where UPS finished off our point guard (Erickson) at the beginning and still  UPS  only won by 3!

I'll be at the Linfield/LC game cheering for Linfield.  So -- tonight for me -- It's GO CATS!!

Back to the COTY thing -- in 2005 Sundquist was COTY because his team finally made the playoffs after years of being bottom feeders!!

[LogShow]

http://www.nwcsports.com/sports/basketball_men/NorthwestConferenceHistory.pdf

Northwest Conference Men's Basketball History
Year Champion             Player of the Year                    Coach of the Year
2007 Whitworth/L&C     Bryan Williams, Whitworth       Jim Hayford, Whitworth
2006 Puget Sound        Lance Pecht, Whitworth           Eric Bridgeland, Puget Sound
2005 Puget Sound        Mark Gayman, George Fox         Mark Sundquist, George Fox
2004 Puget Sound     Matt Glynn, Puget Sound             Eric Bridgeland, Puget Sound

Thanks for looking that up NWHoops...thats what I get for trying to go from my memory

So I had it backwards...the UPS players should have gotten POY especially since they were 3 time league champs.  Not taking anything away from Pecht and Gayman...but McVey was more then deserving to get it.

[LogShow]

Back to the COTY thing -- in 2005 Sundquist was COTY because his team finally made the playoffs after years of being bottom feeders!!

Actually the NWC tourney didn't comeback until the following year.  (When UPS beat WW sorry NWHoops I had to throw that in...it makes me feel better about myself, lol)   G Fox had a good year, but they were left holding the bag while UPS made it to the Sweet 16.

[Pio20]

So is this correct?
From the LC website:

After the Pioneers won last night 87-67 over the UPS Loggers in Tacoma and Willamette lost at Pacific, the Pioneers moved into a third-place tie. With the final interpretation of the tiebreakers issues at 3pm on Saturday by the NWC commissioner, the Pioneers must win at Linfield and Willamette must lose at Puget Sound in order for the Pioneers to make the playoffs. If Willamette wins, it would create a three-way tie for third place between L&C, Willamette, and UPS. According to the Commissioner:


In the case of this three-way tie, the head to head results are as follows:
Willamette - 3-1
Puget Sound - 2-2
Lewis & Clark - 1-3

Therefore, Willamette will be the #2 seed and UPS the #3 seed should this situation arise.

[bbaddict]

Back to the COTY thing -- in 2005 Sundquist was COTY because his team finally made the playoffs after years of being bottom feeders!!

Actually the NWC tourney didn't comeback until the following year.  (When UPS beat WW sorry NWHoops I had to throw that in...it makes me feel better about myself, lol)   G Fox had a good year, but they were left holding the bag while UPS made it to the Sweet 16.

The thing I quoted from the conference site said it was adopted Spring 2004.  I think it was back to the 3 team playoff by 2005 -- could be wrong, have been about more important things!

So, does anyone understand how Pacific or Linfield fit into this crazy puzzle?  The whole thing seems based on if we win & someone else loses.  Very confusing.

[bbaddict]

Actually if Willamette wins and LC wins, it creates a 3 way tie for 2nd place.  The tiebreaker formula gives 2nd to WIL and 3rd to UPS -- LC out!  That's the only scenario that I really get.  The confusing one is if UPS wins and LC loses to Linfield.  Then what?  Who's on third?   

[LogShow]

Actually Who's on 1st. 

The rules for the conference tournament may have been ratified in Spring 2004 but they weren't put into effect until Spring 2006

[bbaddict]

Very Funny, Logs.   But we know Whitworth's on 1st, in spite of the comic routine!

You're probably right about the other one.  But really, don't the coaches vote for COTY?  I guess they control that regardless of W/L.

Once again, Go Cats!  (Bearcats & WIldcats -- at least for tonight!)