MBB: Northwest Conference

nwhoops1903 · March 06, 2008, 12:26:41 PM

Quote from: bbaddict on March 06, 2008, 06:31:43 AM
Be careful Logs. UPS didn't even show up on the BB radar until 2004 when Bridgeland made it a serious contender. Before that, UPS was a swimming or soccer school.

Yea, I think you are reaching a bit on that one Log, but I don't blame you. Sounds like you are stuck with that saying, "Wait til LAST year, or is it LAST LAST year for UPS?" All that being said, UPS will probably be the preseason pick to win conf in 09. lol

What is UPS vs WW record throughout conf. history?

LogShow · March 06, 2008, 12:54:18 PM

The new conference tourney has been in effect for the past 3 years. UPS and WW have met twice, both times in the championship game. Each have won 1 and lost 1.

I don't know if UPS played WW in the old tournament...

LogShow · March 06, 2008, 12:55:30 PM

Quote from: bbaddict on March 06, 2008, 06:31:43 AM
Be careful Logs. UPS didn't even show up on the BB radar until 2004 when Bridgeland made it a serious contender. Before that, UPS was a swimming or soccer school.

Hey I am just talking about recent trends

...like a stock investor

bbaddict · March 06, 2008, 02:32:16 PM

Put your money into real estate, not stocks -- more reliable!

LogShow · March 06, 2008, 03:53:23 PM

Keeping with my promise to not discuss strictly NWC things on the SCIAC board...

bbaddict, why do you say WW got screwed in 2003?

bbaddict · March 06, 2008, 04:34:29 PM

Because they had the best record that season for the teams in their grouping, but had to travel to Minnesota to play. There were lots of reasons given for Whitworth not getting to play at home, but it was the same old, same old .... no money for DIII sports, etc. I just think nwhoops is a little smug on the fairness issue since Whitworth got great positioning this year, but it hasn't always worked out that way!

LogShow · March 06, 2008, 06:08:04 PM

Looking back that Gustavus Adolphus team ended up making the national championship game. Would have been interesting to see how WW would have done at home against them. But from the looks of their tournament run they had to win the rest of the games on the road.

John Gleich · March 06, 2008, 06:58:18 PM

Quote from: bbaddict on March 06, 2008, 02:32:16 PM
Put your money into real estate, not stocks -- more reliable!

With this housing market? How about a sure shot... you give me your money, I'll give it all back

...and keep the measley 3% I can earn in a CD...

bbaddict · March 06, 2008, 08:42:24 PM

Appreciation in the NW market (Portland & Seattle) is 5-6% minimum -- way down fromt the 15-28% we were getting used to, but lots better than a savings account.

Just depends on where you live ...
real estate is local!

We'll never know about that 2003 Whitworth team --- all I'm saying is that when the selection fairies zonk you a bad one, it's not very fun! The Gusties did have a good run that year, but, what if?

nwhoops1903 · March 06, 2008, 08:49:49 PM

Quote from: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 12:54:18 PM
The new conference tourney has been in effect for the past 3 years. UPS and WW have met twice, both times in the championship game. Each have won 1 and lost 1.

I don't know if UPS played WW in the old tournament...

All true but WW has won 2 straight and UPS has lost 2 straight. I am sorry about the constent UPS digs but it was pretty rough listening to The Show and a few others from 04-06. I will back off now that the games are here.

Speaking of which, the article from the front page, yes that front page, said this, "A geographically challenged bracket, to be sure, and the one which the NCAA originally announced incorrectly, suggesting Occidental had gotten the first-round bye. Occidental is certainly more deserving, barely, than Whitworth, but geography trumps all." Occidental is certainly more deserving, barely, than Whitworth? What does that staement mean? Certainly and barely in the same sentence describing the same subject. Journalism major at WA ST, OR ST. or Linfield?

nwhoops1903 · March 06, 2008, 08:52:31 PM

Quote from: bbaddict on March 06, 2008, 04:34:29 PM
Because they had the best record that season for the teams in their grouping, but had to travel to Minnesota to play. There were lots of reasons given for Whitworth not getting to play at home, but it was the same old, same old .... no money for DIII sports, etc. I just think nwhoops is a little smug on the fairness issue since Whitworth got great positioning this year, but it hasn't always worked out that way!

No it hasn't. 2003 was a rough bracket and we gave Adolph a pretty good game in unfriendly country.

LogShow · March 06, 2008, 08:57:54 PM

Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 06, 2008, 08:49:49 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 12:54:18 PM
The new conference tourney has been in effect for the past 3 years. UPS and WW have met twice, both times in the championship game. Each have won 1 and lost 1.

I don't know if UPS played WW in the old tournament...
All true but WW has won 2 straight and UPS has lost 2 straight. I am sorry about the constent UPS digs but it was pretty rough listening to The Show and a few others from 04-06. I will back off now that the games are here.

Speaking of which, the article from the front page, yes that front page, said this, "A geographically challenged bracket, to be sure, and the one which the NCAA originally announced incorrectly, suggesting Occidental had gotten the first-round bye. Occidental is certainly more deserving, barely, than Whitworth, but geography trumps all." Occidental is certainly more deserving, barely, than Whitworth? What does that staement mean? Certainly and barely in the same sentence describing the same subject. Journalism major at WA ST, OR ST. or Linfield?

You were on the front page?

LogShow · March 06, 2008, 08:59:55 PM

I think I would take definately maybe, over certainly barely

Mr. Ypsi · March 06, 2008, 09:01:15 PM

Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 06, 2008, 08:49:49 PM
Quote from: LogShow on March 06, 2008, 12:54:18 PM
The new conference tourney has been in effect for the past 3 years. UPS and WW have met twice, both times in the championship game. Each have won 1 and lost 1.

I don't know if UPS played WW in the old tournament...
All true but WW has won 2 straight and UPS has lost 2 straight. I am sorry about the constent UPS digs but it was pretty rough listening to The Show and a few others from 04-06. I will back off now that the games are here.

Speaking of which, the article from the front page, yes that front page, said this, "A geographically challenged bracket, to be sure, and the one which the NCAA originally announced incorrectly, suggesting Occidental had gotten the first-round bye. Occidental is certainly more deserving, barely, than Whitworth, but geography trumps all." Occidental is certainly more deserving, barely, than Whitworth? What does that staement mean? Certainly and barely in the same sentence describing the same subject. Journalism major at WA ST, OR ST. or Linfield?

While it sounds odd, there is actually nothing wrong with the sentence you highlighted. The selection criteria are pretty cut-and-dried (human interpretation enters only in how the various criteria are weighted). By the criteria, Oxy is clearly above Whitworth, though the margin is not large. IMO, if either Chapman or Cal Lu had gotten in, there would be a 4-team west coast pod, and Oxy would be the host. Geography, not merit, got Whitworth the bye.

bbaddict · March 06, 2008, 09:28:35 PM

"We are honored to be back in the NCAA Division III basketball tournament," said Whitworth head coach Jim Hayford, the 2008 Northwest Conference Coach of the Year. "The word "surprised" does not do justice to how we feel about receiving a first round bye, and the word "thrilled" does not do justice to how we feel about hosting a second round game."

This is what Hayford has to say about Whitworth's seeding. Maybe it's just a bit of Pirate luck that got them the "bye" and the host position. I just hope they win!