118th Monon Bell Classic

[1837Tigers]

make it really ugly like in 1996 - the reason they now keep the Bell in the endzone.

What happened in 1996 is a blight on this rivalry and should never, ever happen again.  That incident, as well as the 1998 repeat, probably came a lot closer than any of us realize to costing us this game and the positive attention it brings to both of our schools.  Not cool, dude.

Wally, I wear the black and gold but could not agree with you more.  The future of the series hung in the balance as a result of those incidents.  People can say what they will about security, etc., but those were ugly with a capital U, and both schools and their fans have far more class than was demonstrated on those days.

What we have (maybe even some of the over-the-top back-and-forth stuff) is pretty special.  Let's celebrate that, and make sure it's preserved for future generations.

[Breckenridgebear]

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[Danny Boy]

make it really ugly like in 1996 - the reason they now keep the Bell in the endzone.

What happened in 1996 is a blight on this rivalry and should never, ever happen again.  That incident, as well as the 1998 repeat, probably came a lot closer than any of us realize to costing us this game and the positive attention it brings to both of our schools.  Not cool, dude.

Wally, I wear the black and gold but could not agree with you more.  The future of the series hung in the balance as a result of those incidents.  People can say what they will about security, etc., but those were ugly with a capital U, and both schools and their fans have far more class than was demonstrated on those days.

What we have (maybe even some of the over-the-top back-and-forth stuff) is pretty special.  Let's celebrate that, and make sure it's preserved for future generations.

Agreed.  The fans obviously hate each other and I'd be surprised if one person from these boards didn't at least come close to throwing punches with someone from the other side at one time or another.  But the fans have to "play nice" on game day for the sake of the rivalry.  However, I would support some type of intramural boxing event for the two schools.  IMO, that would be a fun way to kick off the weekend festivities.

I don't know of one DPU alum that's a Long fan, but that's the card we've been dealt.  I'm more curious to know what parents of current players think of the program.  Some of our guys came to DePauw thinking they'd be playing for Walker and then Long was handed the reins.  Long did well until the Bell game last season, but was that a residual effect of Walker's recruiting?  How is our recruiting now?  Is it too early to tell whether Long will be successful in big games?

I thought Irish made an interesting comparison between Long and Carlson the other day which wasn't much appreciated by the wallies.  In their first 2 seasons, Long's regular season record was 16-3 compared to Carlson's 13-6.  If we go 3 seasons, Carlson would be 20-8 while Long COULD go 21-7.  Not too far off if you ask me.  So while I'm hesitant with Long being the future of DPU football, it might be too early to tell. 

[Breckenridgebear]

make it really ugly like in 1996 - the reason they now keep the Bell in the endzone.

What happened in 1996 is a blight on this rivalry and should never, ever happen again.  That incident, as well as the 1998 repeat, probably came a lot closer than any of us realize to costing us this game and the positive attention it brings to both of our schools.  Not cool, dude.

Wally, I wear the black and gold but could not agree with you more.  The future of the series hung in the balance as a result of those incidents.  People can say what they will about security, etc., but those were ugly with a capital U, and both schools and their fans have far more class than was demonstrated on those days.

What we have (maybe even some of the over-the-top back-and-forth stuff) is pretty special.  Let's celebrate that, and make sure it's preserved for future generations.

Agreed.  The fans obviously hate each other and I'd be surprised if one person from these boards didn't at least come close to throwing punches with someone from the other side at one time or another.  But the fans have to "play nice" on game day for the sake of the rivalry.  However, I would support some type of intramural boxing event for the two schools.  IMO, that would be a fun way to kick off the weekend festivities.

Seeing as a boxing match would turn into a full blown riot, I am wondering what type of events take place where you live during Monon weekend. I know that there is the telecast across the U.S., but does anyone else attend any other Monon functions? Here in Denver, there is Monon Bowl, the Friday night before the game, and early Saturday Morning there is a flag football game in City Park. Both events are Depauw v. Dabash, and from what I have heard, are extremely competitive.

[Danny Boy]

Seeing as a boxing match would turn into a full blown riot, I am wondering what type of events take place where you live during Monon weekend. I know that there is the telecast across the U.S., but does anyone else attend any other Monon functions? Here in Denver, there is Monon Bowl, the Friday night before the game, and early Saturday Morning there is a flag football game in City Park. Both events are Depauw v. Dabash, and from what I have heard, are extremely competitive.
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In Chicago it's pretty tame.  There is always a telecast party at a bar the local DePauw bar (actually 2 bars are hosting this year) but nothing else that I'm aware of.  Of course, I always go back so I don't pay much attention to the local events.  From what I hear, fans from both sides attend the telecast in Chicago but there isn't much "interaction."  Flag football is a pretty good idea.

[Breckenridgebear]

Seeing as a boxing match would turn into a full blown riot, I am wondering what type of events take place where you live during Monon weekend. I know that there is the telecast across the U.S., but does anyone else attend any other Monon functions? Here in Denver, there is Monon Bowl, the Friday night before the game, and early Saturday Morning there is a flag football game in City Park. Both events are Depauw v. Dabash, and from what I have heard, are extremely competitive.

In Chicago it's pretty tame.  There is always a telecast party at a bar the local DePauw bar (actually 2 bars are hosting this year) but nothing else that I'm aware of.  Of course, I always go back so I don't pay much attention to the local events.  From what I hear, fans from both sides attend the telecast in Chicago but there isn't much "interaction."  Flag football is a pretty good idea.
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I am always amazed how few people come down from Chicago to watch the game. For Monon, you think more would make the trip. It seems like a three hour drive to actually be at the game beats sitting in a bar any day. 

I am also amazed at how the posts from Dabash have died on this board. They get pissed when you tell them what they don't want to hear, they cry about it, they try to act above it, and ask that the focus be put on other material than their relationships and lifestyles, and then, when you do change the subject, Crickets.

I guess I will never understand those boyzzz.

[bashbrother]

Has anyone heard who will be calling the game this year for HDNet?   

[Breckenridgebear]

Has anyone heard who will be calling the game this year for HDNet?

There is nothing on the HDnet site yet. I am sure we will get a press release in the next week.

[wally_wabash]

I thought Irish made an interesting comparison between Long and Carlson the other day which wasn't much appreciated by the wallies.  In their first 2 seasons, Long's regular season record was 16-3 compared to Carlson's 13-6.  If we go 3 seasons, Carlson would be 20-8 while Long COULD go 21-7.  Not too far off if you ask me.  So while I'm hesitant with Long being the future of DPU football, it might be too early to tell.

Seriously, knock it off.  When Robby Long gets anywhere near the things Greg Carlson has accomplished, then bring it up.  Y'all have done nothing but badmouth the guy, and you want to put him in the same breath as one of our all-time greats?  Please.  Also noteworthy, while your guy Long is busy posting the worst DePauw record in 15 years, Greg Carlson is about three days away from locking up a spot in the championship tournament.  Shut it down with the Long/Carlson stuff. 

Re: Monon Bell Week events...The Monon Stag in Indy every year is a tremendous event.  Plenty of fun, both sides get a chance to do a little roasting, tempered with respect and recognition of some truly special individuals from our alumni bases.  If you haven't gone, you should.  Some of you Dannies might actually learn something about how to freshen up your schtick instead of going right back to the offensive trash that you constantly post here.  This year Thomas Bambrey W'68 and Brad Stevens D'99 are being honored with the Spirit of the Monon Awards.  Should be a fun night. 

[Danny Boy]

I thought Irish made an interesting comparison between Long and Carlson the other day which wasn't much appreciated by the wallies.  In their first 2 seasons, Long's regular season record was 16-3 compared to Carlson's 13-6.  If we go 3 seasons, Carlson would be 20-8 while Long COULD go 21-7.  Not too far off if you ask me.  So while I'm hesitant with Long being the future of DPU football, it might be too early to tell.

Seriously, knock it off.  When Robby Long gets anywhere near the things Greg Carlson has accomplished, then bring it up.  Y'all have done nothing but badmouth the guy, and you want to put him in the same breath as one of our all-time greats?  Please.  Also noteworthy, while your guy Long is busy posting the worst DePauw record in 15 years, Greg Carlson is about three days away from locking up a spot in the championship tournament.  Shut it down with the Long/Carlson stuff. 

Re: Monon Bell Week events...The Monon Stag in Indy every year is a tremendous event.  Plenty of fun, both sides get a chance to do a little roasting, tempered with respect and recognition of some truly special individuals from our alumni bases.  If you haven't gone, you should.  Some of you Dannies might actually learn something about how to freshen up your schtick instead of going right back to the offensive trash that you constantly post here.  This year Thomas Bambrey W'68 and Brad Stevens D'99 are being honored with the Spirit of the Monon Awards.  Should be a fun night.

Wally, the numbers speak for themselves.  You sure are fiercely protective of a guy with a 7-10-1 record in Bell games.  I realize he is in the wally HOF, but that doesn't mean anything outside of C'ville.  I believe Irish drew a fair comparison given the small sample size.  I'll admit I'm concerned about the future of our program given the last 2 Bell debacles and this season's record, but again it may be too early to tell.  That's why I'd like someone who is currently closer to the program to chime in. 

Sorry for the schtick (not really).  If a wally didn't expect to be razzed for his alma mater, then I wish him better foresight in his next life.  Maybe wallies miss out on a real college experience, but it's not all bad.  After all, the wil' giants have a better record this season and will be favored to win the Bell --- for whatever being favored is worth.

[wally_wabash]

Wally, the numbers speak for themselves.  You sure are fiercely protective of a guy with a 7-10-1 record in Bell games.  I realize he is in the wally HOF, but that doesn't mean anything outside of C'ville.  I believe Irish drew a fair comparison given the small sample size.  I'll admit I'm concerned about the future of our program given the last 2 Bell debacles and this season's record, but again it may be too early to tell.  That's why I'd like someone who is currently closer to the program to chime in. 

The sample size is exactly the problem.  Greg Carlson has 18 seasons at Wabash, well over 20 seasons as a DIII coach...Robby Long has barely dipped his toe in the water.  You can't compare the two.  I saw some dumb stat about how Tebow did something in his first four starts that it too Elway his entire career to do.  Nobody is mistaking Tebow for Elway anytime soon.  Don't be that guy. 

Sorry for the schtick (not really).  If a wally didn't expect to be razzed for his alma mater, then I wish him better foresight in his next life.  Maybe wallies miss out on a real college experience, but it's not all bad.  After all, the wil' giants have a better record this season and will be favored to win the Bell --- for whatever being favored is worth.

We get razzed plenty, and that's fine.  This is why I mentioned the Monon Stag.  Every year I get a laugh out of the roasting that DePauw's selected speakers put on Wabash.  There have been some great jokes had at Wabash's expense.  And you know what?  Not one of those really great jokes stooped to the offensive hate speech you guys keep putting down on this board.  You can do better if you really want to. 

[Breckenridgebear]

Wally, the numbers speak for themselves.  You sure are fiercely protective of a guy with a 7-10-1 record in Bell games.  I realize he is in the wally HOF, but that doesn't mean anything outside of C'ville.  I believe Irish drew a fair comparison given the small sample size.  I'll admit I'm concerned about the future of our program given the last 2 Bell debacles and this season's record, but again it may be too early to tell.  That's why I'd like someone who is currently closer to the program to chime in. 

The sample size is exactly the problem.  Greg Carlson has 18 seasons at Wabash, well over 20 seasons as a DIII coach...Robby Long has barely dipped his toe in the water.  You can't compare the two.  I saw some dumb stat about how Tebow did something in his first four starts that it too Elway his entire career to do.  Nobody is mistaking Tebow for Elway anytime soon.  Don't be that guy. 

Sorry for the schtick (not really).  If a wally didn't expect to be razzed for his alma mater, then I wish him better foresight in his next life.  Maybe wallies miss out on a real college experience, but it's not all bad.  After all, the wil' giants have a better record this season and will be favored to win the Bell --- for whatever being favored is worth.

We get razzed plenty, and that's fine.  This is why I mentioned the Monon Stag.  Every year I get a laugh out of the roasting that DePauw's selected speakers put on Wabash.  There have been some great jokes had at Wabash's expense.  And you know what?  Not one of those really great jokes stooped to the offensive hate speech you guys keep putting down on this board.  You can do better if you really want to.

Wally_dabash, lets keep Tebow out of this. I know he is no Curtis Painter, but I am sure he is going to have a wonderful career.

How are you going to compare two coaches/players/teams without the numbers being brought up? The numbers do not lie.  By your reasoning you can only compare Carlson to other coaches who have done 20 years in DIII. Come on Dabash, you know that doesn't work.

As for where we "stooped to the offensive hate speech you guys keep putting down on this board" I am sorry your feelings got hurt. Truly, I spend my days feeling sorry for the caveboyzz feelings. But you do have to recognize that you caveboyzz have the same "schtick" that we have. Nothing changes. Part of the Monon tradition is what is taking place on this board, good old fashioned s@#t talking. You can be sure that before the days of the internet the same conversations were had across the country. There was even a time when Depauw University published a mock dabachelor with many of the same "offensive hate speech" that seems to hurt your feelings. If you don't like it, don't bring it, and don't participate.

Just my take. And by the way, I find that Zima helps when your feelings are hurt.

Just my take. 

[Danny Boy]

Wally, I see your point.  But I also understand the comparison Irish made.  Records don't mean much if you don't win games worth remembering.  I think most of the DPU guys on this thread played for Nick and a few of us even attended school with Walker, so we might be somewhat biased with our view of Long.  As disappointed as his results have been since the '10 Bell, I think it's too soon to judge. 

Good call, Bear.  It was "The DePoon" that gave me my first sampling of wally propaganda, and I imagine that compilation of senseless wally drivel still magically appears on campus today.  The "hate speech" is still alive and kicking, whether it's on a t-shirt or this thread.  No use in pretending otherwise.  If any wallies would like to disagree, then I suppose we won't hear "DePauw swallows" resonating from your stands this year....

[DPUIrish1]

listen, I was simply saying 1 thing - Carlson had issues in the big game.  Something I believe Long has had issues with as well.  Bell and playoffs.....that's the ONLY comparison....the last thing I'm going to do is go back and track week by week performance of their early years at each prospective school. 

as for the razzing - Danny's point of a year without "DePauw Swallows" is legit.  It's senseless fun that makes the weeks leading up to the game more exciting.  no need to get the panties in a bunch.  I'm all for the Monon Stagg....we discussed, briefly, about attending this year, but it won't work out....but something I'd like to see, eventually.  We have a pretty good tradition going as well.

One thing I'd be very much in favor for is some kind of regulated football alumni game - the friday before in the town where the game is played.  I do understand what I'm saying here - that's why some kind of regulation would have to be involved....otherwise, the entire idea should be scrapped.  But, I'm intrigued, Bear, how the groups in Denver put it together.....but wouldn't want to do it at the expense of not being in attendace at the game.

[wally_wabash]

As for where we "stooped to the offensive hate speech you guys keep putting down on this board" I am sorry your feelings got hurt. Truly, I spend my days feeling sorry for the caveboyzz feelings. But you do have to recognize that you caveboyzz have the same "schtick" that we have. Nothing changes. Part of the Monon tradition is what is taking place on this board, good old fashioned s@#t talking. You can be sure that before the days of the internet the same conversations were had across the country. There was even a time when Depauw University published a mock dabachelor with many of the same "offensive hate speech" that seems to hurt your feelings. If you don't like it, don't bring it, and don't participate.

There's "good old fashioned s@#t talking" and then there's the unending stream of offensive crap that you put out on this board as if it were funny (it isn't).  There was indeed a time when your newspaper put out a mock issue of The Bachelor. It stopped, sometime around '98 or '99 as I recall, because the only thing the creative minds in that news office could come up with to print is the same three jokes about homosexuality for 12 or 16 pages with varying degrees of hatefulness.  It was seriously deplorable.  After that issue, your university had to step in, force apologies, and shut that tradition down because you all couldn't pull it off without being offensive.  All I'm trying to say here is that you guys can make fun of Wabash without that nonsense.  I've seen it happen.  Do a little better.