118th Monon Bell Classic

[D3_DPUFan]

It is easy to assume that there are players, maybe more than a few.   Being that very few if any on this board have close enough knowledge inside the recruiting process to make comments of fact about recruiting battles won or lost., I think we are all smart enough to know that the recent instability and lack of facility upgrades in the Football program is causing some casualties.  (47-0 probably didn't help) They may not all go to Wabash, but Depauw has lost some better players the last couple of years.  Players they needs to prevent the drop off this year.

It is a pretty simple formula actually -    Recruit quality + Player retention =  Winning team on the field. (32-9 in the previous 4 years.... probably finishing 2011, 3-6)   Recruiting deficiency is a part, if not a big part, of the fall off.

Stable programs, may drop off a bit,  but have the depth to not fall of the cliff.

With Facility upgrades to match up with the rest of the NCAC, (most schools have tremendous Football facilities) and coaching stability; Depauw will be back.   Injuries are a wash,  every team including Wabash has suffered significant injuries... it's the depth behind the injuries that matters.

I respect you opinion, but don't flat accept that perhaps more than a few players, in particular players that matter, chose Wabash over DePauw. Maybe some did, I don't know. We also need to remember that DIII kids (the vast majority anyway) are not making decisions based purely on football. As much as some people in here would like it to be, this is not major college football. And BTW, I presume your 47-0 reference would hold true for the 36-14 ass whipping you took on your home field in 2008?

I don't know about the football facilities inn the NCAC other than Wabash, but I do agree with you that Depauw needs to make some upgrades...as I've mentioned the administration needs to do some things that show more of a commitment...as long as they don't get turf.   

[wally_wabash]

As far as where you guys stack up against the NCAC with respect to facilities...you're the new Earlham.  That is not complimentary. 

[BashDad]

Oh my god, you're insane if you don't think Wabash and Depauw are after the same players.

I can't believe we're even having this argument.

[bashbrother]

BashDad -   Have I ever told you how glad I am that you ended up in Crawfordsville?  Another reason why I enjoyed the "Monon Miracle" so much.

[D3_DPUFan]

Oh my god, you're insane if you don't think Wabash and Depauw are after the same players.

Oh, that's right. What are we thinking? 

[BashDad]

This is like yelling fire to a burn victim.

[Breckenridgebear]

It is easy to assume that there are players, maybe more than a few.   Being that very few if any on this board have close enough knowledge inside the recruiting process to make comments of fact about recruiting battles won or lost., I think we are all smart enough to know that the recent instability and lack of facility upgrades in the Football program is causing some casualties.  (47-0 probably didn't help) They may not all go to Wabash, but Depauw has lost some better players the last couple of years.  Players they needs to prevent the drop off this year.

It is a pretty simple formula actually -    Recruit quality + Player retention =  Winning team on the field. (32-9 in the previous 4 years.... probably finishing 2011, 3-6)   Recruiting deficiency is a part, if not a big part, of the fall off.

Stable programs, may drop off a bit,  but have the depth to not fall of the cliff.

With Facility upgrades to match up with the rest of the NCAC, (most schools have tremendous Football facilities) and coaching stability; Depauw will be back.   Injuries are a wash,  every team including Wabash has suffered significant injuries... it's the depth behind the injuries that matters.

I respect you opinion, but don't flat accept that perhaps more than a few players, in particular players that matter, chose Wabash over DePauw. Maybe some did, I don't know. We also need to remember that DIII kids (the vast majority anyway) are not making decisions based purely on football. As much as some people in here would like it to be, this is not major college football. And BTW, I presume your 47-0 reference would hold true for the 36-14 ass whipping you took on your home field in 2008?

I don't know about the football facilities inn the NCAC other than Wabash, but I do agree with you that Depauw needs to make some upgrades...as I've mentioned the administration needs to do some things that show more of a commitment...as long as they don't get turf.   

Both of you make good points. The fact of the matter is Depauw and Dabash are still DIII schools who don't offer football players more than a chance to continue playing football for a few more years. There is no $ provided for playing the game. It is merely love of the game that keeps the player around for 4 more years.

Your reference to facility upgrades is confusing. Depauw is by far a better looking campus when you go head to head with Dabash. Almost every year I go back for the Bell game there is a new building at Depauw that changes the landscape of the University. There are some 36 major buildings on 695 acres, and a 520 acre nature park at Depauw. Dabash has 25 hovels on 60 acres.

Blackstock underwent a huge renovation in 1997 that added locker rooms, meeting rooms and improvements to restrooms, concession stand and the training room. In addition, in 2001 Depauw built the indoor track and tennis facility that hosted the NCAA DIII indoor Track and Field Championship.

Fine you guys got a sweet new rug to play on a few years back.  I remember when domes were also all the rage. The game was never intended to be played that way, but I guess that is the one facility you trump Depauw, since it is newer.

Oh my god, you're insane if you don't think Wabash and Depauw are after the same players.

I can't believe we're even having this argument.

DabashBoy, you can't really believe that some one is going to go to all boy Dabash over Depauw, merely to play on the carpet for the caveboyzzz, if they are given the option? If so, you really missed out in college my friend. Either that, or they sure have some strong kool-aid at chapel sing. 

[DPUIrish1]

I was just going to state some of these points Bear made.....have any of you arguing facilities, ever been IN the DPU facilities??  Outside of the field/stadium, which clearly you all hate - again, which is fine by me.  The locker rooms are fantastic - spacious and accomodating....it's not like we're sharing lockers, or are overcrowded.  The indoor facility...again, fantastic and has hosted several national events.  Just because you built yours after doesn't mean a damn thing....so you got turf, a new scoreboard and a new "Little Giant" mascot....

I also agree that factors other than the football program sway a student-athlete's decision.  Not purely football - as I'm sure most of you from debash would like to argue.  I'm clearly biased but DPU has a better campus, better academics and a better experience....on and off the field.......

microphone is open.

[bashbrother]

Is the Visitors locker room still the out-house at the end of the field or has that been upgraded?......   

I am not a huge fan of turf either,  I grew up playing on the 1st generation Astro.  (basically like playing on granite)  but it sure looks good on a rainy/snowy November day.

[Breckenridgebear]

DPUIrish1 - Have I ever told you how glad I am that you ended up in Greencastle?  Another reason why I enjoyed the "The Hand Grenade" so much.

[Breckenridgebear]

Is the Visitors locker room still the out-house at the end of the field or has that been upgraded?......   

I am not a huge fan of turf either,  I grew up playing on the 1st generation Astro.  (basically like playing on granite)  but it sure looks good on a rainy/snowy November day.

I think the Visitors locker room (For lack of a better description) is still the out house.

Has dabash updated its visitor locker room from the one-holer closet in the basement? 

[DPUIrish1]

Is the Visitors locker room still the out-house at the end of the field or has that been upgraded?......   

I am not a huge fan of turf either,  I grew up playing on the 1st generation Astro.  (basically like playing on granite)  but it sure looks good on a rainy/snowy November day.

I think the Visitors locker room (For lack of a better description) is still the out house.

Has dabash updated its visitor locker room from the one-holer closet in the basement? 

who cares about the visitors locker room??  yes, it's still the outhouse......assuming you've upgraded what Bear has referenced. 

think i'm going to have to get that "Hand Grenade" game posted on here

[bashbrother]

This game needs to get here.....  the content on this board is deteriorating.   

[DPUIrish1]

This game needs to get here.....  the content on this board is deteriorating.   

AGGGGREEEEEEDDD....

[Breckenridgebear]

This game needs to get here.....  the content on this board is deteriorating.   

AGGGGREEEEEEDDD....

Dabashdad took away all the fun. Now we are arguing about acreage, jersey color schemes, and carpet.

It has allowed me to learn more about both Depauw University and The Dabash School of Technicolor Maintenance.