118th Monon Bell Classic

[wally_wabash]

Question for the DePauw posters:

Over the years (since the 70's) it seems like the DePauw adminstration has increasingly put the screws to the tailgate before the game in Greencastle.  I know the parking in Crawfordsville sucks but at least the school and the local police let the fans enjoy themselves (within reason).  What possesses the DPU authorities to publish a two-page list of rules with the threat of arrest for violating rarely enforced ordinances?  Is it the school or the town leaders? both?   In all honesty, it makes the school (and I mean the school, not the students or alumni) look like it is hiding behind the skirt of its mother while the barbarian hordes sweep down from the north to pillage as they please and then hoping they go away for two years.  I am hoping the Casey, with his willingness to get involved with the Monon Bell Stag, will eventually bring about a change to the game-day environment outside of Blackstock.

Your thoughts?

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm guessing there's some kind of just-in-case liability things at work here.  We mock the list of do's and dont's because, well, we don't have such lists at Wabash.  But in practice, at least the last two times I've been down to Greencastle for this game (which is when I think that list got put out for everybody to see...2007), my tailgate has been completely unobstructed by authorities  making the rounds.  Keep it gentlemanly and they won't bother you.  That's been my experience. 

[Breckenridgebear]

Breck,

That's awesome.  Just stop by - look for a White flag that says DePauw Swallows or a Red flag with a 1 on it.  We'll be in white.  4-0 in Bell games is impressive - I'm sure you were the guy that made it happen. 

Please come by.

BB16

I would love to come over, but you are going to have to give me a better description than describing every unoriginal Dabash tailgate.

4-0 in Bell games is impressive, and at Depauw we believe in team efforts. This is football, not wrestling.

16 - 

Hilarious,  make sure to take pictures.

I take it you are retracting your invite dabashbro? Something better going on this Saturday?

[DPUIrish1]

Question for the DePauw posters:

Over the years (since the 70's) it seems like the DePauw adminstration has increasingly put the screws to the tailgate before the game in Greencastle.  I know the parking in Crawfordsville sucks but at least the school and the local police let the fans enjoy themselves (within reason).  What possesses the DPU authorities to publish a two-page list of rules with the threat of arrest for violating rarely enforced ordinances?  Is it the school or the town leaders? both?   In all honesty, it makes the school (and I mean the school, not the students or alumni) look like it is hiding behind the skirt of its mother while the barbarian hordes sweep down from the north to pillage as they please and then hoping they go away for two years.  I am hoping the Casey, with his willingness to get involved with the Monon Bell Stag, will eventually bring about a change to the game-day environment outside of Blackstock.

Your thoughts?

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm guessing there's some kind of just-in-case liability things at work here.  We mock the list of do's and dont's because, well, we don't have such lists at Wabash.  But in practice, at least the last two times I've been down to Greencastle for this game (which is when I think that list got put out for everybody to see...2007), my tailgate has been completely unobstructed by authorities  making the rounds.  Keep it gentlemanly and they won't bother you.  That's been my experience. 

Question for the DePauw posters:

Over the years (since the 70's) it seems like the DePauw adminstration has increasingly put the screws to the tailgate before the game in Greencastle.  I know the parking in Crawfordsville sucks but at least the school and the local police let the fans enjoy themselves (within reason).  What possesses the DPU authorities to publish a two-page list of rules with the threat of arrest for violating rarely enforced ordinances?  Is it the school or the town leaders? both?   In all honesty, it makes the school (and I mean the school, not the students or alumni) look like it is hiding behind the skirt of its mother while the barbarian hordes sweep down from the north to pillage as they please and then hoping they go away for two years.  I am hoping the Casey, with his willingness to get involved with the Monon Bell Stag, will eventually bring about a change to the game-day environment outside of Blackstock.

Your thoughts?

Read the tailgate regulations for any stadium (NFL/College) in this country. They have similar, if not the same, rules.  They have to put up those types of regulations because some lawyer told them it would be a good idea. The regulations are a CYA in case anyone does something stupid or someone gets hurt.

I have seen statements from the Greencastle/Depauw Police which say they are not out to bust people, but just to make sure it is a safe and fun environment for everyone.  I have also been in situations where the Greencastle/Depauw Police give you a warning/suggestion on how to fit within the regulations. Handle your stuff, act like an adult and Depauw Police will be cool, similar to the Crawfordsburg Cops. They know what Monon is about.

well said, both accounts

[smedindy]

Bashbro is down in South Florida, with me, and we'll represent at the party down here.

[BashBacker#16]

Dannies,

It's Monon Bell...  It's NOT Monon.  Seriously.  Dude - winner gets the Monon Bell NOT the Monon!

Make the adjustment unlike last year.

Please.

[DPUIrish1]

Dannies,

It's Monon Bell...  It's NOT Monon.  Seriously.  Dude - winner gets the Monon Bell NOT the Monon!

Make the adjustment unlike Robby last year.

Please.

Thanks for this incredible insight.  I can live now.

[bashbrother]

This is just not going to be the year where an inferior team rises up and finds the magic.  The difference in talent this year between the two teams is just too large.  Add to that the fact that you are starting a Freshman QB in a Bell Game with hardly a game under his belt - Good Luck.   I am just not seeing this being a close game, no matter how much rah...rah...rah... goes on in the Depauw locker-room. 

In many, if not all, of the examples that have been slung back and fourth on this board,  even in those games where one team entered with a much better record, the experience and talent gap still wasn't what it is this year.  Post that on the Locker Room wall if you want Tigers, it is the truth.

The Most Experienced and More Talented Team Wins Football Games.....  Not Necessarily the Team with the Best Record.

Wabash 37  Depauw 14 (Although, I am being nice and still don't see how that offense scores 14 pts)

Sure the emotion of the rivalry can affect players into playing a little harder......  but this emotion is not going to close this year's gap.   The Depauw Program will be back to prominence....we need it in the NCAC, but this isn't going to be their game.

Out until Monday

My Advice to Greendingle -   http://youtu.be/uepFO4psgKE

[Breckenridgebear]

Breck,

You're so cool, please stop by our tailgate!!  Please.  Neat guy, stud athlete, probably hot wife - you are a plain stud!

I love your positive outlook.  Dude - we're going to bury you guys!!  It's men among boys!  Seriously, find something...  Hahaha.  As someone said "I don't see Spud Dick walking thru the door.."

WAF

Dabashbacker you need to calm down. Is there someone you can talk too right now?

I am glad that you still consider yourself a member of the boyzz who will be playing Saturday, it is good to have that much spirit. The fact of the matter is, unless you are a current member of Debash as a player or coach, little of what you personally do will have any type of impact on this game. I won 4 Bells. I don't know if you played, but from your posts it appears you did, and you may have won a Bell or two yourself. We are fans now, we can't do more than support our teams.

I am as passionate a Depauw fan as I can be living in a state with no DIII football some 1000 miles from the school. It is clearly visible and understood that you are a passionate Debash Caveboy fan. Although we will never agree on anything, and I could care less about anything you say or believe, we are connected through this game. Being an adult and knowing that this is an unshakable truth, there is little we can do but get together on this board and talk trash for a few weeks every year. I imagine this to be the set of circumstances in which we will find ourselves for many years.

Sure I know that you were kidding about your invite, but I would love to stop by your tailgate. Part of the Monon Bell experience is actually being in a place with Dabash and talking with the fans, parents, and players. I did my time. I won my 4 Bells. I am a fan now. Sure I talk trash, but what fan of Monon Bell Game can say they honestly have not? The trash talk is never going to end.

Each year since I graduated I make my yearly trip back to Indiana for the greatest game of the football season. I take vacation time, and expend resources to make sure this happens every year. I also make sure to try and talk to as many fans as I can every year. Some of the people I have met and the stories that have come out of this yearly trip make me return each year.

Maybe at some point we can have a beer as fans of the Monon Bell tradition. I would invite you to visit our tailgate, but I am sure I already know your answer.

[Wabash Hokie]

Bear: 

Spot on with the post.

I hosted a few Wabash/DePauw telecast parties back in the late 80's in Denver before moving back east.  Next year, we will link up in Crawfordsville and knock back a few before the game.  While I have an intense dislike of the school, the players are cut from the same cloth, just dyed different colors, and each thanking God that they were fortunate enough to turn the right direction on 231.

Here's wishing you safe travels to Indianapolis and a depressing and long ride home on Sunday.

Three in a row is looking good right now.

[DPUIrish1]

Bear: 

Spot on with the post.

I hosted a few Wabash/DePauw telecast parties back in the late 80's in Denver before moving back east.  Next year, we will link up in Crawfordsville and knock back a few before the game.  While I have an intense dislike of the school, the players are cut from the same cloth, just dyed different colors, and each thanking God that they were fortunate enough to turn the right direction on 231.

Here's wishing you safe travels to Indianapolis and a depressing and long ride home on Sunday.

Three in a row is looking good right now.

Dabashbacker you need to calm down. Is there someone you can talk too right now?

I am glad that you still consider yourself a member of the boyzz who will be playing Saturday, it is good to have that much spirit. The fact of the matter is, unless you are a current member of Debash as a player or coach, little of what you personally do will have any type of impact on this game. I won 4 Bells. I don't know if you played, but from your posts it appears you did, and you may have won a Bell or two yourself. We are fans now, we can't do more than support our teams.

I am as passionate a Depauw fan as I can be living in a state with no DIII football some 1000 miles from the school. It is clearly visible and understood that you are a passionate Debash Caveboy fan. Although we will never agree on anything, and I could care less about anything you say or believe, we are connected through this game. Being an adult and knowing that this is an unshakable truth, there is little we can do but get together on this board and talk trash for a few weeks every year. I imagine this to be the set of circumstances in which we will find ourselves for many years.

Sure I know that you were kidding about your invite, but I would love to stop by your tailgate. Part of the Monon Bell experience is actually being in a place with Dabash and talking with the fans, parents, and players. I did my time. I won my 4 Bells. I am a fan now. Sure I talk trash, but what fan of Monon Bell Game can say they honestly have not? The trash talk is never going to end.

Each year since I graduated I make my yearly trip back to Indiana for the greatest game of the football season. I take vacation time, and expend resources to make sure this happens every year. I also make sure to try and talk to as many fans as I can every year. Some of the people I have met and the stories that have come out of this yearly trip make me return each year.

Maybe at some point we can have a beer as fans of the Monon Bell tradition. I would invite you to visit our tailgate, but I am sure I already know your answer.

this, men, is said about as best as it can be stated.  i too, make the trip, with Bear - having a blast being on the 'other' side of this rivalry since hanging up the cleats.  it's an event that is a can't miss and our annual tailgate is something that we hang our hat on every year.  love everything this rivalry stands for.

[BashBacker#16]

Breck,

You've been downright nasty for 2 solid weeks and basically every year leading up to the game - now you're getting all sappy and talking about the rivalry?  I have plenty of respect for DPU guys through the years (coaches, students, players, parents, etc.) and consider many friends of mine.  Trust me, they don't say or act like you do.

This thread would be a lot better if it were about the game on Saturday (matchups, keys to the game, etc.) vs your material. 

Monon Bell chapel talk today at 11 AM.  Good stuff.

WAF

[wabco]

Breck

There is a difference between well thought out expressions of support with a little humor, truth, and expectation/desire added ... and trash talk.  There is also a difference between Trash ... and trash talk.  I suggest that you sir need to reflect upon this.  I suspect I would like most, if not all, of the other "4 Bell" winners group.  We may have different expectation/desires for the outcome this year and each year but not expressed with vitriol, vindictiveness, and spite directed personally.

nuf said.

[Breckenridgebear]

Bear: 

Spot on with the post.

I hosted a few Wabash/DePauw telecast parties back in the late 80's in Denver before moving back east.  Next year, we will link up in Crawfordsville and knock back a few before the game.  While I have an intense dislike of the school, the players are cut from the same cloth, just dyed different colors, and each thanking God that they were fortunate enough to turn the right direction on 231.

Here's wishing you safe travels to Indianapolis and a depressing and long ride home on Sunday.

Three in a row is looking good right now.

Thanks. I can only wish my Sunday is glorious, and yours is wretchedly unhappy and uncomfortable.

Breck,

You've been downright nasty for 2 solid weeks and basically every year leading up to the game - now you're getting all sappy and talking about the rivalry?  I have plenty of respect for DPU guys through the years (coaches, students, players, parents, etc.) and consider many friends of mine.  Trust me, they don't say or act like you do.

This thread would be a lot better if it were about the game on Saturday (matchups, keys to the game, etc.) vs your material. 

Monon Bell chapel talk today at 11 AM.  Good stuff.

WAF

Don't think my hatred will ever cease. At least I am honest. I am sorry your DPU "friends" don't tell you how they feel, because during my 4 years at Depauw and the subsequent duration, I have yet to meet a Depauw grad who has anything good to say about Debash School of Part-Time Package Handling.

As for talking about the game, go ahead and post your thoughts, matchups, and lists. If someone actually cares about it, they will respond. Every post that I make that falls within the Dabash standard as an acceptable post is ignored.  But all the posts you have problems with, are responded to immediately. It appears that one topic is more popular than the other. Choose your battles wisely.

Breck

There is a difference between well thought out expressions of support with a little humor, truth, and expectation/desire added ... and trash talk.  There is also a difference between Trash ... and trash talk.  I suggest that you sir need to reflect upon this.  I suspect I would like most, if not all, of the other "4 Bell" winners group.  We may have different expectation/desires for the outcome this year and each year but not expressed with vitriol, vindictiveness, and spite directed personally.

nuf said.

Thanks Dabasco.  If you can't take the heat, you should have chose a better school. Fact of the matter is I hate Debush. You can view the trashtalk anyway you want, that is your right.

[DPU3619]

Here's this that I pulled from the Monon thread leading up to the 2009 game.  I used it then because DePauw blew out Wabash in 2008.  Applies here for obvious reasons.

Here's today's Monon fun fact for you: 

A team has won this game by 21 points or more 10 times since 1950.  8 of those teams went on to win the next year.  DePauw beat Wabash in both of those outliers (1983 & 1955).  In fact, Wabash is just 2-7-1 in games immediately following a loss by 21 or more in the entire history of the rivalry, including 0 for their last 4.  The Cavemen won in 1944 after losing 33-0 in 1943 and they also won in 1903 after DePauw won twice to the tune of 33-5 and 31-2 in 1901.  There was no game in 1902. 

I make the point, obviously, because of the 22 point victory last season.

EDIT: As a counterpoint, DePauw's record in Bell games that they lost by more than 21 in the previous year is 3-12.

It's now 11 times since 1950 with 8 teams winning the next year.  Wabash is now 3-7-1 in Bell games following a 21 pt loss.

[Breckenridgebear]

Here's this that I pulled from the Monon thread leading up to the 2009 game.  I used it then because DePauw blew out Wabash in 2008.  Applies here for obvious reasons.

Here's today's Monon fun fact for you: 

A team has won this game by 21 points or more 10 times since 1950.  8 of those teams went on to win the next year.  DePauw beat Wabash in both of those outliers (1983 & 1955).  In fact, Wabash is just 2-7-1 in games immediately following a loss by 21 or more in the entire history of the rivalry, including 0 for their last 4.  The Cavemen won in 1944 after losing 33-0 in 1943 and they also won in 1903 after DePauw won twice to the tune of 33-5 and 31-2 in 1901.  There was no game in 1902. 

I make the point, obviously, because of the 22 point victory last season.

EDIT: As a counterpoint, DePauw's record in Bell games that they lost by more than 21 in the previous year is 3-12.

It's now 11 times since 1950 with 8 teams winning the next year.  Wabash is now 3-7-1 in Bell games following a 21 pt loss.

Wes, you are missing the point that not anything can happen.