FB: Region 4 fan poll

[wally_wabash]

Here we go...first poll of the year.  A little different presentation this year...little easier on me.  Feedback is welcome. 


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I love this thread.  Have at it gang! 

The NRFP is voted on by: Captain_Joe08, Dr. Acula, FCGrizzliesGrad, Li'l Giant, Mr Ypsi, NCF,  smedindy, USee, and wally wabash.  And hopefully an MIAA regular before too long.  The invitation remains open.   

[Dr. Acula]

Anywhere from 2 to 6...the uncertainty with how to handle NCC continued!

Also, I'm a little surprised JCU got a 10.  But it's preseason.  You can't really argue when there are no results yet!

[USee]

Here is my poll

1. Mt Union
2. North Central
3. Wheaton
4. Wabash
5. John Carroll
6. Ohio Northern
7. Wittenberg
8. Depauw
9. Baldwin Wallace
10. Carthage

I have been on record as saying NCC and Wheaton are very close and I give the edge to NCC because of what they have returning. I also think Carthage/Augie and IWU are all very close and based on my analysis Carthage is the best team of the three but its very close.

[smedindy]

I think the CCIW below Wheaton and North Central are going to knock each other out. I put Albion in because I think their offensive scheme will be troublesome. I put in RHIT because I think they'll beat out Franklin. And we'll all find out Saturday!

[wally_wabash]

- We nearly have a consensus top 4.  Just the single 6 vote for North Central prevents that scenario. 

- I'm the 9 on JCU.  I'm missing something about the Streaks I think.  They get Oshkosh on Saturday, so we're going to see pretty quick what's up there. 

- I thought we'd get more points for DePauw.  They're really good. 

[USee]

For example, IWU moved it's third team RB to the starting cornerback role to replace a 3 year starter. That just doesn't pass my sniff test as a top 25 team. Carthage has 2 young, athletic corners returning, one of who was all conference as a freshman. Augie has 10 starters back on a defense (9 starters back on Offense) that yielded just 14 pts a game in the league over the last 5 weeks including games against IWU and North Central. IWU has the best LB group in the CCIW as a whole and one of the best Running backs, but I have questions about their depth and playmaking abilities.

[smedindy]

If JCU loses to Oshkosh by 10 or less, then I think we have our answer on John Carroll.

A loss of about 14, at Oshkosh, does that answer any questions?

[wally_wabash]

If JCU loses to Oshkosh by 10 or less, then I think we have our answer on John Carroll.

A loss of about 14, at Oshkosh, does that answer any questions?

How do you get to 10 or 14 point margin?  I think that matters.  A 35-7 game can turn into a 35-21 game in the final 6 minutes and really obscure what happened.  Or a 21-21 game can turn into a 35-21 game in those same 6 minutes.  Same scores, but they should prompt very different reactions from voters. 

[USee]

If JCU loses to Oshkosh by 10 or less, then I think we have our answer on John Carroll.

A loss of about 14, at Oshkosh, does that answer any questions?

How do you get to 10 or 14 point margin?  I think that matters.  A 35-7 game can turn into a 35-21 game in the final 6 minutes and really obscure what happened.  Or a 21-21 game can turn into a 35-21 game in those same 6 minutes.  Same scores, but they should prompt very different reactions from voters.

Unless of course your team is North Central, then it doesn't matter to some voters how you lost, it only matters that you lost! I'm sorry to go there before the season even starts.....forgive me 

[wally_wabash]

If JCU loses to Oshkosh by 10 or less, then I think we have our answer on John Carroll.

A loss of about 14, at Oshkosh, does that answer any questions?

How do you get to 10 or 14 point margin?  I think that matters.  A 35-7 game can turn into a 35-21 game in the final 6 minutes and really obscure what happened.  Or a 21-21 game can turn into a 35-21 game in those same 6 minutes.  Same scores, but they should prompt very different reactions from voters.

Unless of course your team is North Central, then it doesn't matter to some voters how you lost, it only matters that you lost! I'm sorry to go there before the season even starts.....forgive me 

It matters when you lose and lose and lose again. 

[smedindy]

If JCU loses to Oshkosh by 10 or less, then I think we have our answer on John Carroll.

A loss of about 14, at Oshkosh, does that answer any questions?

How do you get to 10 or 14 point margin?  I think that matters.  A 35-7 game can turn into a 35-21 game in the final 6 minutes and really obscure what happened.  Or a 21-21 game can turn into a 35-21 game in those same 6 minutes.  Same scores, but they should prompt very different reactions from voters.

I'll concede that. If it's close most or all the game, the that says JCU is worthy of a high ranking.

[DPU3619]

I would have put RHIT in and Franklin out, personally.

I would have no clue on 2-5. Seems awfully interchangeable to me at the moment.

[wally_wabash]

I would have put RHIT in and Franklin out, personally.

I would have no clue on 2-5. Seems awfully interchangeable to me at the moment.

Looks like I'm driving the RHIT bus as the preseason highwater vote for the 'Neers.  No way that's going to look silly in 8 weeks. 

[USee]

I have RHIT on my short list and I did not rank Franklin in my top 10. Both have too many questions at this point.

Looks like Wally and me are the only 2 who put Wheaton at #3, albeit for very different reasons.

[Dr. Acula]

I was down to RHIT, Witt and IWU for my 9/10 spots.  I thought RHIT had as good a case for those spots as the other two, but ultimately I chose to leave them just outside the top 10.  If we went beyond 10 they would have been 11 on mine.

Did anyone else struggle with BW?  I mulled them over quite a bit.  In the end I just don't trust them though.