FB: Region 4 fan poll

[Gregory Sager]

The NFL also has a zillion spotters in the press box and a production truck that can look at replays while the game continues. D1 football games tend to have an abundance of spotters as well. (Northwestern uses seven of 'em in the Ryan Field press box.)

HScoach hit the nail on the head when he mentioned "variable amounts of oversight and attention" -- and I'd add "resources" to that, since a lot of D3 press boxes have neither the hardware nor the manpower to review sacks via replay in order to fine-tune pass vs. run evaluation by the game's official scorer. Anyone who's ever worked in a D3 press box during a football game knows that the typical D3 football game can be pretty hard to track in real-time in all of its minutiae with the staff that most D3 schools have on hand.

[smedindy]

Actually the NFL not only counts sacks as negative pass yds, they count as team sack yds and don't affect the QBs stat line

Advanced metrics do count it against the QB.

[smedindy]

Not saying it's overly logical, but it is easier.

But yards are yard right? SMH

Doesn't seem that difficult to make a quick judgment on whether the play appeared to be an intended run or pass. Even if they got it wrong from time to time, the end totals would still be a better representation than taking all sack yardage away from the rushing total.

HS follows the college way on this.  It makes a Non-Running QB look bad at the end of the season with a ton of negative rushing yards.  In my opinion it should go against the offense.  Hard to blame the QB if the Line doesn't block.  Hard to blame the Line when the QB holds on to the ball too long.  Hard to blame the Offense if the Defense has good coverage.  Easiest to just have TEAM Negative Rushing Yards for Sacks.

Yards ARE yards and you've deflected well, USee. The original argument has been lost.

K&J D - This is true for every type of yardage. There are INTs where the receiver screwed up. Fumbles where the line ran into the ball carrier. Negative carries when the QB messes up the exchange, or the line gets beat.

There are plenty of advanced metrics in the NFL that take all of that into account, by people who watch each play and chart it (think Football Outsiders). I've seen advanced metrics like this in College, too.

But the point is, yards were lost. Credit them. And don't whitewash a bad performance up front by shifting sacks to passing.

[HScoach]

Greg:  exactly.   You said it better than I did.

[USee]

Sacks up front are in fact a bad performance by the OLine.  There aren't many credible coaches out there who thinks sack yds are rush yds as a measure of running game performance. They are certainly a measure of OLine or QBs performance (if he holds it too long).

[GRIZ_BACKER]

Hey! Why are you picking on us? NPU isn't going to be the last-place team in the CCIW this year. And the Vikings didn't finish last in 2017, either.

For that matter, neither did Anderson in the HCAC. In fact, Anderson's got two HCAC wins this season.

Anderson and Defiance hopes Earlham never folds their programs

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Hey! Why are you picking on us? NPU isn't going to be the last-place team in the CCIW this year. And the Vikings didn't finish last in 2017, either.

For that matter, neither did Anderson in the HCAC. In fact, Anderson's got two HCAC wins this season.

Anderson and Defiance hopes Earlham never folds their programs

Franklin doesn't either... a third non-conference game for everyone? Franklin's SoS may never see .400 again with the conference going around 3-21 every year

[wally_wabash]

2018 Week 10 NRFP:


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The NRFP is voted on by: Captain_Joe08, CollegeGolf18, Dr. Acula, FCGrizzliesGrad, HOPEful, Li'l Giant, Mr Ypsi, NCF,  smedindy, thunderdog, USee, and wally wabash.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Looks like we all agree on #1, who the next two are, and then it's just throwing darts from 4 on down.

I'm column 3 this week. I don't like having Trine at 4 but I can't justify putting anyone above them.
Just off my ballot are 11) Wabash 12) Marietta 13) Franklin 14) Hope

[MRMIKESMITH]

http://d3football.com/playoffs/2018/second-regional-ranking

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/d3/regional-rankings

[HOPEful]

I'm row 9.

[smedindy]

Sacks up front are in fact a bad performance by the OLine.  There aren't many credible coaches out there who thinks sack yds are rush yds as a measure of running game performance. They are certainly a measure of OLine or QBs performance (if he holds it too long).

OR, the coverage by the DBs. Coverage sacks are a thing.

Again, yards are yards. Whether you call it rushing or passing, or magic voodoo yards, it's against the total yards and a sign of a defense that's doing its job.

[smedindy]

I'm giving Denison the love. Not that discount Week 1, but Denison's playing so well.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm column 8.  IMO their 18-point win AT IWU deserved to move them past JCU.  If JCU absolutely dismantles BW I might switch again. 

With the always necessary disclaimer about upsets, the only game in the North that definitely will affect voting is 8-1 Bald Wally @ 8-1 JCU, but there are others that plausibly COULD affect voting.  6-3 Millikin is at 8-1 NCC, 6-3 Hanover is at 8-1 Franklin, 7-2 Kazoo gets one final chance to prove their 7-0 start was not TOTALLY a mirage when they host 9-0 Trine, and then there is the 125th Moaning Bull (or whatever they call that thingy ) - DePauw is only 4-5 this season, but strange things can happen in rivalry games.

[Dr. Acula]

I'm 10.  I also moved NCC to #2 this week on the strength of a very nice W improving their resume mightily.  JCU can make a statement Saturday though.  I continue to be the low man on Trine and I can live with that.