FB: Region 4 fan poll

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

The first official "rankings" are out. Not that they're actually ranked.

Region 4           
    Albion                   8-0   8-0
    Alma                     8-0   8-0
    DePauw                 7-1   7-1
    John Carroll           7-1   7-1
    Mount Union          8-0   8-0
    Mount St. Joseph   8-0   8-0
    Trine                     6-2   6-2

Committee has DePauw and Trine rather than our Heidelberg and whoever

[HOPEful]

Region 4           
    Albion                   8-0   8-0
    Alma                     8-0   8-0
    DePauw                 7-1   7-1
    John Carroll           7-1   7-1
    Mount Union          8-0   8-0
    Mount St. Joseph   8-0   8-0
    Trine                     6-2   6-2

Committee has DePauw and Trine rather than our Heidelberg and whoever

There's obviously time for teams on this list to lose, but let's pretend DePauw wins out and stays put, Trine beats Hope and Kzoo and stays, MSJ gets past Rose Hulman and stays undefeated, and Alma and John Carroll both stay ranked after losing to Albion and Mount respectively.

That would give Albion a (2-0) record against RRs and Mount a (1-0) record. And Mount would have a significantly worse SOS... I'm not advocating that Albion is actually better than Mount, they're not. But is it possible Albion ends up above Mount in the regional rankings with the better SOS and additional win against an RR?

And this is once again why the arbitrary location of that line matters! We all have Heidelberg easily in our RRs above Trine and DePauw. With Heidelberg in and Trine out, those records are flipped. I'm not against using RRs to figure out who all is at the table. But I am against using records against RRs as though it's a valuable statistic.

[wally_wabash]

Region 4           
    Albion                   8-0   8-0
    Alma                     8-0   8-0
    DePauw                 7-1   7-1
    John Carroll           7-1   7-1
    Mount Union          8-0   8-0
    Mount St. Joseph   8-0   8-0
    Trine                     6-2   6-2

Committee has DePauw and Trine rather than our Heidelberg and whoever

There's obviously time for teams on this list to lose, but let's pretend DePauw wins out and stays put, Trine beats Hope and Kzoo and stays, MSJ gets past Rose Hulman and stays undefeated, and Alma and John Carroll both stay ranked after losing to Albion and Mount respectively.

That would give Albion a (2-0) record against RRs and Mount a (1-0) record. And Mount would have a significantly worse SOS... I'm not advocating that Albion is actually better than Mount, they're not. But is it possible Albion ends up above Mount in the regional rankings with the better SOS and additional win against an RR?

And this is once again why the arbitrary location of that line matters! We all have Heidelberg easily in our RRs above Trine and DePauw. With Heidelberg in and Trine out, those records are flipped. I'm not against using RRs to figure out who all is at the table. But I am against using records against RRs as though it's a valuable statistic.

Reported. 

[HOPEful]

...There's obviously time for teams on this list to lose, but let's pretend DePauw wins out and stays put, Trine beats Hope and Kzoo and stays, MSJ gets past Rose Hulman and stays undefeated, and Alma and John Carroll both stay ranked after losing to Albion and Mount respectively....

Fair Wally! It was just for the sake of my argument though! If DePauw drops out, then Heidelberg probably jumps in... and the argument is moot.

[HOPEful]

...There's obviously time for teams on this list to lose, but let's pretend DePauw wins out and stays put, Trine beats Hope and Kzoo and stays, MSJ gets past Rose Hulman and stays undefeated, and Alma and John Carroll both stay ranked after losing to Albion and Mount respectively....

Fair Wally! It was just for the sake of my argument though! If DePauw drops out, then Heidelberg probably jumps in... and the argument is moot.

Or Trine and Heidelberg both lose and none of it matters.

HCAC, MIAA, NCAC, and OAC all with de facto conference championship games this weekend! Pretty awesome way to finish. Thanks schedule makers!

[D3fanboy]

As gross as this is to say.  But BW could very well be team #7 in this week's rankings.  Only a three point loss to MSJ (#3 or 4?) and a road loss to JCU (#5 or 6?)

[HOPEful]

As gross as this is to say.  But BW could very well be team #7 in this week's rankings.  Only a three point loss to MSJ (#3 or 4?) and a road loss to JCU (#5 or 6?)

Not only could, but I would expect it. By beating Heidelberg, they bolstered their record and handed a loss to their competition for that spot. Hope knocked off Trine, so Wabash and Rose Hulman feel like the other logical options. Question is... who gets it if all three lose this weekend? (Don't be mad Wally! It's just a hypothetical!)

[D3fanboy]

As gross as this is to say.  But BW could very well be team #7 in this week's rankings.  Only a three point loss to MSJ (#3 or 4?) and a road loss to JCU (#5 or 6?)

Not only could, but I would expect it. By beating Heidelberg, they bolstered their record and handed a loss to their competition for that spot. Hope knocked off Trine, so Wabash and Rose Hulman feel like the other logical options. Question is... who gets it if all three lose this weekend? (Don't be mad Wally! It's just a hypothetical!)

it looks like Denison has an easy path to 8-2, or does Berg backdoor in at 7-3 with "better loses" (all three to RRO)?

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Week 10

https://imgur.com/a/pdECS3l

Voters: CollegeGolf18, Dr. Acula, FCGG, HOPEful, Kira & Jaxon's Dad, Li'l Giant, smedindy, and wally_wabash

[CollegeGolf18]

Wow. Albion falls. And Mount Union just had the luckiest play I've ever seen on a Hail Mary to win it. It was thrown short and bounced off the head of the defender and into the arms of a WR. Will be interesting to see who ends up #1 this week.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Not so fast my friend.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Not so fast my friend.

Mount probably stays #1 (either unanimous or all but one voter) because next in line is a 2 loss John Carroll who Mount beat and then unbeaten Alma and MSJ who everyone has been waiting for an excuse to drop out of the rankings but haven't been able to.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Are we voting this week!

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Are we voting this week!

Yes. Poll this week then one final poll after the tournament.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

We will have one final poll after the tournament


Week 11

https://imgur.com/a/pdECS3l

Voters: CollegeGolf18, Dr. Acula, FCGG, HOPEful, Kira & Jaxon's Dad, Li'l Giant, smedindy, and wally_wabash