FB: Region 4 fan poll

[ExTartanPlayer]

The CWRU results haven't been eye popping, but they're still going to be there because they don't play anybody the rest of the way, unless you consider Wash U a somebody.

That's my point - I don't think that looking ahead and saying "CWRU has an easy schedule the rest of the way, I should rank them because they're going to keep winning" is an appropriate justification for ranking a team.  Sure, it will look good as Case wins the next two weeks and goes to 6-1, but do you really believe (based on the results thus far) that CWRU would beat a few of the teams you have unranked?

As you said yourself - "I'm trying to order these teams in such a way that I think 1 would beat 2 who would beat 3 and so on." - so by ranking CWRU at 10, you're implying that CWRU would presumptively beat the teams you're leaving unranked.  Even as a UAA homer, I can't say that I have ANY confidence that CWRU could beat ONU, Heidelberg, Muskingum, or Carthage...

[wally_wabash]

I will say that of those 7-8 teams that are in the conversation for spots 9 and 10 on this list, The one at the very bottom for me is ONU.  ONU lost to Musky so I think Musky has to stay ahead of them (at least until Muskingum has lost another game or two).  Also, ONU has given up a ton of points.  Their low point total this year was against UMU of all things (weather aided, obviously).  Outside of that, the PBs are giving up 25 ppg.  Is that a team that I should rank?  Right now, I'm still saying no to that question.

[DPU3619]

I have Heidelberg in.  I think CWRU beats the Muskies and I can't take ONU seriously until they beat BW.  I'll take Carthage seriously if they at least keep it within a stone's throw of Wheaton.  I honestly shrugged it off without thinking about them much.  "Well, Carthage is going to lose, so I'm not putting them in just to take them back out next week."  Maybe that's wrong, and I'll accept some flack for that.

I do realize it's different for OAC teams like BW and ONU.  One of your losses is always to Mount Union.  But the rest of the results, for ONU in particular, aren't really exciting.  Therefore, Muskingum beating them isn't that exciting to me anyway, especially after they lost this week.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Based on the Top 25 Fan Poll there's only 9 North teams that received votes and 11 in the d3football poll...

Team                                 North          Fan 25    D3F 25
Mount Union           1st       2nd     2nd
North Central         2nd       6th     6th
Illinois Wesleyan     3rd      14th    16th
Wabash                4th      10th    12th
Wheaton               5th      16th    17th
Adrian               T6th      25th    32nd
Franklin             T6th      23rd    22nd
Wittenberg            8th      28th    28th
Heidelberg            9th      ----    ----
Ohio Northern        10th      36th    34th
Trine                11th      ----    39th
Baldwin Wallace      T12th     ----    43rd
CWRU                 T12th     ----    ----
Carthage             14th      ----    ----   

[ExTartanPlayer]

Thanks for putting that together, FCGrizzliesGrad.

Looks like the North Region voters are (essentially) in agreement with the Top 25 polls.  Notably, the Top 25's both have Wabash ranked ahead of IWU, while the North Region voters have IWU in front.  I'd probably put IWU ahead of 'Bash myself.

[wally_wabash]

Some useful results today out of the OAC that help sort all of that out.  Musky loses to JCU, B-W beat ONU, Heidelberg takes their whoopin' from UMU. 

CWRU cruised past Hiram.
Trine shut out Alma. 
Carthage still to come vs. North Park tonight. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Some useful results today out of the OAC that help sort all of that out.  Musky loses to JCU, B-W beat ONU, Heidelberg takes their whoopin' from UMU. 

CWRU cruised past Hiram.
Trine shut out Alma. 
Carthage still to come vs. North Park tonight.

Actually, Carthage is at Augie tonite, but since the WestVikings may be worse than the EastVikings this year, the error is understandable!

[wally_wabash]

I just looked that up and saw that it was Augustana.  For some reason my mind wouldn't believe my eyes.   

[smedindy]

Augie's having a year like none other. And not in a good way. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

As long as Carthage defeats Augie tonite (otherwise, I may have to reconsider), I'm planning to include NPU @ Augie in my MIAA Pickems slate.  What an historic feat it would be if NPU could break their conference losing streak (no wins this millenium) AT the school which in the 1980s did something that even the two purple monsters have yet to accomplish - FOUR consecutive Stagg Bowl wins.

[wally_wabash]

Carthage happens to be down 19-10 to Augie starting the 4th quarter.  I'm not sure what to do with that. 

[smedindy]

I've already sent mine in since Carthage was under CWRU in my 'for your consideration' pile. And I think I was right.

[wally_wabash]

Yep.  Carthage loses 19-13 to Augustana.  We can go ahead and cross them off. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Oh, man - Augie over Carthage makes TWO of my intended MIAA Pickems slate games a whole lot less attractive for getting split results!  5-1 Wheaton at 5-1 Carthage and 3-3 NPU at 0-6 Augie would get diversity; now I fear they would be 90%+ Wheaton and Augie (I don't do spreads; just try for 'toss-up' games).  I need at least one replacement to go with 7-0 St. Thomas AT 5-1 Bethel, 6-0 NCC AT 6-0 IWU, 4-2 JCU AT 3-3 ONU, and 5-1 SJF AT 4-2 Springfield.  Any suggestions?  (Especially since all three MIAA conference games are likely to be 90%+ one way; the national games are to balance the conference one-sided games that I can't control!)

[smedindy]

The ODAC always has some good teams knocking heads.