FB: Region 4 fan poll

[Li'l Giant]

The really crazy thing is that Franklin will be a low seed, yet who want to play them in round 1?

And then you end up with a match-up worthy of a regional final in the 1st round. Which really punishes both teams.

[ExTartanPlayer]

The really crazy thing is that Franklin will be a low seed, yet who want to play them in round 1?

And then you end up with a match-up worthy of a regional final in the 1st round. Which really punishes both teams.

We don't necessarily know this for sure yet.  Playoff brackets can be built in funny ways.  I think that the North and West are likely to get more overall teams into the playoffs than the East, which means some of them will get shipped places, and the South is going to have a bunch of Pool B possibilities.

[wabndy]

I understand the Butler game never really happened in the eyes of the NCAA.

Others have posted similar statements.  That seems to be an oversimplification.  Look at the secondary criteria:
http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs#3
If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision by the committee, the following secondary criteria (for ranking and selections) will be evaluated:
● Non-Division III win-loss percentage
● Results versus common non-Division III opponents
● Non-Division III Strength of Schedule

It seems like games against D1 teams do in fact count.  Given the derth of objective criteria you can use to compare two teams that don't play any common opponents, how can the committee not consider these secondary criteria.  Had Witt actually beaten Butler, I have no doubt they'd be ranked higher than Wabash.

[wabndy]

The really crazy thing is that Franklin will be a low seed, yet who want to play them in round 1?

For the sake of discussion - lets assume we don't have any crazy big upsets for the rest of the season.  If tradition holds, Mount Union will be shipped east and North Central will headline a north-ish bracket.  John Carroll and either Wabash or Wittenberg will pick up a loss. That would leave Franklin a very respectable #3 or #4 seed and a home playoff game since there are no guarantees JC or Heidelberg will get a Pool C bid and the NCAC runner up probably won't get one either.

[smedindy]

Or NC could be second fiddle to UW-Whitewater in a North-ish bracket. That's happened before.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Or they could mix up the bracket like last year where after beating Adrian in the first round, Franklin was sent down to UMHB

[NCF]

Or NC could be second fiddle to UW-Whitewater in a North-ish bracket. That's happened before.

Looks like the North and West will be stacked this year. Will the North and West meet in the semi's? If so, brutal.

[smedindy]

When it comes down to it, no one will be really happy with their seeding and placement except the two top seeds in the tournament, which probably will be Mt. Union and Whitewater I am guessing from seeing the rankings. Though UMHB has a strong case as well.

[GRIZ_BACKER]

When it comes down to it, no one will be really happy with their seeding and placement except the two top seeds in the tournament, which probably will be Mt. Union and Whitewater I am guessing from seeing the rankings. Though UMHB has a strong case as well.

Certainly somebody wants to host "lowly" 2 loss #7 Franklin.  LOL

[NCF]

When it comes down to it, no one will be really happy with their seeding and placement except the two top seeds in the tournament, which probably will be Mt. Union and Whitewater I am guessing from seeing the rankings. Though UMHB has a strong case as well.

Certainly somebody wants to host "lowly" 2 loss #7 Franklin.  LOL

Not that they want to, but they will HAVE to.

[sigma one]

Thanks, gentlemen, on the clarification of regional.  I was just wrong.  Still, I do not like the Wabash-HSC match up and the way it was developed.

[USee]

I think the committee got the rankings right. As far as what I would say to mark Leonard, I would tell him not to lose or else schedule different teams.  I still think it matters more who you beat than who you lost to.  Leading Mt Union in the 4th quarter doesn't tell me anything when you still lost.  In fact we may look back and say that was more of an indicator of Mt slipping this year as much as Frankljn rising.  We don't know yet but if you followed the fans on the OAC board you may think UMU isn't quite what it has been. Wouldn't surprise me to see them lose to JCU. We just don't know.  Franklin will get their chance along with all these teams. 

[GRIZ_BACKER]

I think the committee got the rankings right. As far as what I would say to mark Leonard, I would tell him not to lose or else schedule different teams.  I still think it matters more who you beat than who you lost to.  Leading Mt Union in the 4th quarter doesn't tell me anything when you still lost.  In fact we may look back and say that was more of an indicator of Mt slipping this year as much as Frankljn rising.  We don't know yet but if you followed the fans on the OAC board you may think UMU isn't quite what it has been. Wouldn't surprise me to see them lose to JCU. We just don't know.  Franklin will get their chance along with all these teams.

As long as FC can avoid the 4/5 and Mount I like their chances either at home or on the road.  We shall see.

[NCF]

I think the committee got the rankings right. As far as what I would say to mark Leonard, I would tell him not to lose or else schedule different teams.  I still think it matters more who you beat than who you lost to.  Leading Mt Union in the 4th quarter doesn't tell me anything when you still lost.  In fact we may look back and say that was more of an indicator of Mt slipping this year as much as Frankljn rising.  We don't know yet but if you followed the fans on the OAC board you may think UMU isn't quite what it has been. Wouldn't surprise me to see them lose to JCU. We just don't know.  Franklin will get their chance along with all these teams.

As long as FC can avoid the 4/5 and Mount I like their chances either at home or on the road.  We shall see.

Even as the 4/5 I think Franklin can win the North Region if Mount goes East.

[DPU3619]

I still think Franklin can beat Mount Union, frankly (GET IT?!?) They already showed that they're capable of competing at their level.