FB: Region 4 fan poll

[Li'l Giant]

NRFP Week 2

1. Mount Union         80 pts  (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2. North Central        69 pts  (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3. Wabash                63 pts  (2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5)
4. John Carroll          55 pts  (2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6)
5. Wittenberg           45 pts  (4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8)
6. Wheaton              40 pts  (5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7)
T7. Heidelberg          30 pts  (4, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9)
T7. Illinois Wesleyan 30 pts  (5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8)
9. Mount St Joseph    11 pts (7, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, -, -)
10. Franklin               9 pts  (7, 9, 10, 10, 10, -, -, -)


ARV
Adrian                       3 pts  (9, 10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Ohio Northern            2 pts (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Olivet                        2 pts (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Albion                       1 pt   (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

The North Region Fan Poll is voted on by FCGrizzliesGrad, Li'l Giant, Usee, NCF, Mr. Ypsi, smedindy, wally_wabash, and myself.

I left my top 6 the same from last week. Yes, Wabash's win was impressive but NCC not having played I didn't feel like I had enough information to make a change.

I was high enough on Witt that I felt they justified the 5 spot to me.

We'll find out about JCU and Heidelberg soon enough.

As for Franklin, the loss to IWU didn't look like a bad enough loss to dump them from the top 10. I think IWU is going to be a good team and I think Franklin will too. We'll learn more about Franklin this week, obviously.

[USee]

NRFP Week 2

1. Mount Union         80 pts  (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2. North Central        69 pts  (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3. Wabash                63 pts  (2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5)
4. John Carroll          55 pts  (2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6)
5. Wittenberg           45 pts  (4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8)
6. Wheaton              40 pts  (5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7)
T7. Heidelberg          30 pts  (4, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9)
T7. Illinois Wesleyan 30 pts  (5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8)
9. Mount St Joseph    11 pts (7, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, -, -)
10. Franklin               9 pts  (7, 9, 10, 10, 10, -, -, -)


ARV
Adrian                       3 pts  (9, 10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Ohio Northern            2 pts (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Olivet                        2 pts (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Albion                       1 pt   (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

The North Region Fan Poll is voted on by FCGrizzliesGrad, Li'l Giant, Usee, NCF, Mr. Ypsi, smedindy, wally_wabash, and myself.

My thinking was pretty close to Wally but I kept NCC at 2 for now. I actually think the top 3 are fairly close together and the next tier is 4-6. I was really surprised by IWU's freshman qb. I thought IWU's D was going to be really good and they gave up 35 at home so I don't have IWU higher. My top 6 are pretty set for now. Bottom 4 are still up for grabs but I feel pretty good about these picks based on what we know today. I give the nod to Albion over a host of others (Adrian, Olivet, Franklin) but we see IWU @ Albion this weekend and Franklin v UWW so we will have some good data after that.

[Adam Sayer]

MSJ's issue may be youth on offense as we go through the season. They rotated a freshman and sophomore QB, start 2 FR on the OLine, and routinely use a FR slot receiver. In addition they also have 2 SO who start on offense. If they get into a dog fight, that youth may show but I'll say this is the most athletic team on offense MSJ has had in a very long time. The other question is Defense. Against good teams the last two years, they have given up points and yards by the bunches. They did well against Auggie but it's still to be determined if that was more of MSJs quick start on offense scoring points and Auggie needing to abandon their offensive ID as a wing t option team.

I'd like MSJ to become relevant again but I think they are a year away from truly being a contender to win a playoff game.

[USee]

Adam,

Augie is no longer a wing-T option team and hasn't been for a couple of head coaches now. They run a shotgun spread formation and throw it around quite a bit.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

1. Mount Union         80 pts  (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2. North Central        69 pts  (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3. Wabash                63 pts  (2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5)
4. John Carroll          55 pts  (2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6)
5. Wittenberg           45 pts  (4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8)
6. Wheaton              40 pts  (5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7)
T7. Heidelberg          30 pts  (4, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9)
T7. Illinois Wesleyan 30 pts  (5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8)
9. Mount St Joseph    11 pts (7, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, -, -)
10. Franklin               9 pts  (7, 9, 10, 10, 10, -, -, -)


ARV
Adrian                       3 pts  (9, 10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Ohio Northern            2 pts (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Olivet                        2 pts (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Albion                       1 pt   (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

Right now if I could redo it I'd swap Franklin and ONU. I base most of my ballot on my top 25 ballot then fill in the bottom. I have Mount #2, North Central #7, John Carroll #11, then a logjam with Witt 15, Wabash 17, Wheaton 18, Heidelberg 19, IWU 20. That bunch might fluctuate every week until losses happen. Finishing my North ballot I have another tight bunch that could fluctuate a lot with Franklin, ONU, MSJ, Adrian at 9-12

[BashDad]

I'm going to venture a guess that you didn't watch the Wabash game. That or this is some subtle trolling, dude.

[ExTartanPlayer]

I'm going to venture a guess that you didn't watch the Wabash game. That or this is some subtle trolling, dude.

Wabash had an extremely impressive opener, no doubt, but is it really THAT egregious to have them ranked behind Wit and John Carroll. It was just one game, and Witt and JCU didn't exactly crap the bed in their respective openers. If he had those guys ranked ahead of Bash in the preseason, I can see why he'd leave them there (for now, anyway). I'm of the opinion that preseason rankings need not be tossed away after one week unless something really drastic happens.

I really hope JCU gets Myers back in time for their big games.

[BashDad]

Maybe. But something smells.

If you had Wittenberg and the Scarlett Question Marks ranked ahead of Wabash last week, you probably weren't picking Wabash to win against Nash Nance and co.

Wait. Let me just check something.

Oh, look:

Hampden-Sydney @ Wabash (-3.5)

So even with this initial estimation incorrect, we're still going with nah, the order of teams is just as I thought? I think that's weird at best and petulant at worst.

[BashDad]

And just to be clear--because none of this matters and who gives a ****--the only reason that I seem to give a **** is because ugh, Fan of Franklin, how predictable. I literally saw that Wabash got a 5th place vote and I immediately thought, "I bet it's that Franklin dude."

I hope your team loses every game forever!

Internet message board beefs live on!

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Something smells alright... and your tears smell (and taste) delicious

If Wabash is the juggernaut that you seem to think they are, they'll show it on the field all season long and will rise accordingly. Until then... we're an entire week into the season. And if you think I'm being rough on Wabash... they jumped up 1 spot on my north ballot, 4 on my top 25 ballot and the gap between them and Witt on my Top 25 ballot shrank from 9 to 2.

I didn't see any of this complaining about the preseason poll when I had Wabash 6th... and someone else had them 7th.

[BashDad]

J'accuse, dude.

It looks silly to put Witt's loss v Butler over Wabash's win v HSC.

[Mr. Ypsi]

J'accuse, dude.

It looks silly to put Witt's loss v Butler over Wabash's win v HSC.

Did anyone say they did?  I kept both exactly where they were: nationally, Wabash 9th, regionally, 3rd.  Witt 13th nationally, 8th in the region.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

J'accuse, dude.

It looks silly to put Witt's loss v Butler over Wabash's win v HSC.

Why does it look silly? Just because Witt lost and Wabash won? This isn't a standings list. If you swap those opponents I bet you'd have a fairly similar result and accordingly in my rankings they are quite close.
Not all wins and not all losses are created equal. Would it look silly to put a 6 point loss to Mount Union ahead of a 13 point win over Franklin? It wouldn't to me.

[Adam Sayer]

Adam,

Augie is no longer a wing-T option team and hasn't been for a couple of head coaches now. They run a shotgun spread formation and throw it around quite a bit.

Don't know which Auggie team you've been watching but I coached at MSJ last year and they ran the triple and the wing t. I watched three quarters last Saturday at MSJ and they were still running it.

[wally_wabash]

For all of the hand wringing last year about how beating up on Hanover was a complete non-starter (the national selection committee excluded Wabash because of it...and because there were already too many North teams in), playing and beating (not just winning...BEATING) Hampden-Sydney ought to count for something more than a shrug.  By contrast, JCU beat St. Vincent which is less impressive than a similar result against Hanover.  But of course, I'm biased.