FB: Region 4 fan poll

[wally_wabash]

I'm the 2 for Franklin.  TMC validated Franklin in a major, major way.  The Butler game doesn't register at all.  That's not a level playing field and I'm not dinging Franklin for that.  I'm not sure who, aside from Mount Union, does any better in that game.  Teams that I have below Franklin have a chance to jump Franklin as they play major games against ranked teams in their leagues while Franklin mows through the HCAC, but as of today, Franklin has done more with one game than anybody else in the region has done with three. 

[USee]

I'm the 2 for Franklin.  TMC validated Franklin in a major, major way.  The Butler game doesn't register at all.  That's not a level playing field and I'm not dinging Franklin for that.  I'm not sure who, aside from Mount Union, does any better in that game. Teams that I have below Franklin have a chance to jump Franklin as they play major games against ranked teams in their leagues while Franklin mows through the HCAC, but as of today, Franklin has done more with one game than anybody else in the region has done with three.

Well, according the opinion of 8 other voters on this poll Wheaton, NCC and Wabash (7 other voters) would do better. And another large group of informed voters thing there are 16 other teams that would do as well or better in that game. But we all get to have our opinion.

[wally_wabash]

I'm the 2 for Franklin.  TMC validated Franklin in a major, major way.  The Butler game doesn't register at all.  That's not a level playing field and I'm not dinging Franklin for that.  I'm not sure who, aside from Mount Union, does any better in that game. Teams that I have below Franklin have a chance to jump Franklin as they play major games against ranked teams in their leagues while Franklin mows through the HCAC, but as of today, Franklin has done more with one game than anybody else in the region has done with three.

Well, according the opinion of 8 other voters on this poll Wheaton, NCC and Wabash (7 other voters) would do better. And another large group of informed voters thing there are 16 other teams that would do as well or better in that game. But we all get to have our opinion.

Everybody is an expert on Butler Bulldog football now and how their level of play correlates to D-III?  Or is Franklin just not one of the teams that voters supply with bottomless amounts of benefit of the doubt capital?  Franklin beat TMC who totally dismantled W&J- and all of these things happened in a 14 day window.  I've seen Wheaton play patty cake with two teams that they should have beaten easily if Wheaton is the thing that I thought they were.  We're getting far enough into this now that it's probably ok to judge teams based on what they're actually doing and not on what our preseason notions about them were. 

[HScoach]

I am quite surprised by Franklin at 2 with a non competitive loss (albeit to Butler). I don't have a problem with them anywhere from 4-10 but higher than that seems steep.

I lost all faith in the OAC below Mount. I kept JCU in at the bottom as glimmer of promise. Looking forward to Witt/Wabash to help sort the NCAC.

You're 100% correct.  Outside of Mount the OAC is nothing this year.   There have been years where the 2nd and 3rd place teams were top 20 quality, but 2016 is not one of those years.   

Mount should sleep walk thru the regular season which looks even worse when this is one of the least experienced Mount team in decades.   Good Lord, they're rotating 2 freshmen QB's trying to figure out who should be the guy.   

[GRIZ_BACKER]

I'm the 2 for Franklin.  TMC validated Franklin in a major, major way.  The Butler game doesn't register at all.  That's not a level playing field and I'm not dinging Franklin for that.  I'm not sure who, aside from Mount Union, does any better in that game. Teams that I have below Franklin have a chance to jump Franklin as they play major games against ranked teams in their leagues while Franklin mows through the HCAC, but as of today, Franklin has done more with one game than anybody else in the region has done with three.

Well, according the opinion of 8 other voters on this poll Wheaton, NCC and Wabash (7 other voters) would do better. And another large group of informed voters thing there are 16 other teams that would do as well or better in that game. But we all get to have our opinion.

Everybody is an expert on Butler Bulldog football now and how their level of play correlates to D-III?  Or is Franklin just not one of the teams that voters supply with bottomless amounts of benefit of the doubt capital?  Franklin beat TMC who totally dismantled W&J- and all of these things happened in a 14 day window.  I've seen Wheaton play patty cake with two teams that they should have beaten easily if Wheaton is the thing that I thought they were.  We're getting far enough into this now that it's probably ok to judge teams based on what they're actually doing and not on what our preseason notions about them were.

I have attended all the Griz vs Butler games and I can assure except for the Purple Power type teams, most D3 would get run.  Butler while non-scholarship still plays a national schedule and recruits good football players. Glad Franklin is no longer scheduling.  Next year the GRIZ start on the road at Thomas More and then play Bendictine (solid team in its own right). The GRIZ are definitely a top 4/5 team in the North.  We will see how Wabash fares with Witt this week.  My guess is they will win.

[Gregory Sager]

The thing that I don't get is that two people have both Carthage and Benedictine on their ballots, yet have Wheaton -- which beat both the Red Men and the Eagles -- ranked #3, below North Central.

[Mr. Ypsi]

The thing that I don't get is that two people have both Carthage and Benedictine on their ballots, yet have Wheaton -- which beat both the Red Men and the Eagles -- ranked #3, below North Central.

I'm one of those two.  I had Wheaton above NCC until this week, but thought NCC's demolition job in Bloomington more impressive than Wheaton's 5 point win in Kenosha.  (Until this week I also had IWU above Carthage, though that is no longer true.)

[Captain_Joe08]

The thing that I don't get is that two people have both Carthage and Benedictine on their ballots, yet have Wheaton -- which beat both the Red Men and the Eagles -- ranked #3, below North Central.

I'm one of those two.  I had Wheaton above NCC until this week, but thought NCC's demolition job in Bloomington more impressive than Wheaton's 5 point win in Kenosha.  (Until this week I also had IWU above Carthage, though that is no longer true.)

Well I was very tempted to drop Wheaton down a spot on my ballot. While they shut down BU, they did not exactly get an easy win. IMO I think Carthage is showing that they are a much better team than in past years. Will be interesting when North Central and Wheaton play each other how it shakes out.

On another note, it's nice seeing the NACC having two quality teams at the top of the league this year (CUW isn't far behind either).

[wesleydad]

YOU get a vote!  And YOU get a vote!!  Everybody gets a vote!!  Week 2 NRFP!!



The NRFP is voted on by: Captain_Joe08, Dr. Acula, FCGrizzliesGrad, Li'l Giant, Mr Ypsi, NCF,  smedindy, USee, and wally wabash.

Wally, any idea why I can not see the fan poll on the post?  I am technology challenged, but do have an up to date computer.

[wally_wabash]

Are you not getting the image at all or is it just too small to read?  If it's too small to read, click on the picture and it should blow up. 

[Dr. Acula]

I was interested to see how people would rank Carthage.  I'm the one who had them at 6.  I watched that game and basically my thinking was if I think Wheaton is the 3rd best team then Carthage must be pretty darn good because they played the Thunder tough.  I was impressed with Carthage.

Also, the OAC is a hot mess this year.  Outside of Mount losing I don't think much of anything else would shock me.  I definitely raised an eyebrow at Berg's dismantling of ONU.  I voted them 9 this week.  They have a good offense.  As always the question is can they stop anyone.

[wesleydad]

YOU get a vote!  And YOU get a vote!!  Everybody gets a vote!!  Week 2 NRFP!!



The NRFP is voted on by: Captain_Joe08, Dr. Acula, FCGrizzliesGrad, Li'l Giant, Mr Ypsi, NCF,  smedindy, USee, and wally wabash.

Wally, any idea why I can not see the fan poll on the post?  I am technology challenged, but do have an up to date computer.

Wally, all I am seeing is what is in the quote, no image at all.

[wally_wabash]

YOU get a vote!  And YOU get a vote!!  Everybody gets a vote!!  Week 2 NRFP!!



The NRFP is voted on by: Captain_Joe08, Dr. Acula, FCGrizzliesGrad, Li'l Giant, Mr Ypsi, NCF,  smedindy, USee, and wally wabash.

Wally, any idea why I can not see the fan poll on the post?  I am technology challenged, but do have an up to date computer.

Wally, all I am seeing is what is in the quote, no image at all.

Alright, that's weird because I see the image in your quote.  Probably a browser setting somewhere that's blocking the image. 

Try the direct link:
http://i.imgur.com/Gwvrm6F.png

[wesleydad]

YOU get a vote!  And YOU get a vote!!  Everybody gets a vote!!  Week 2 NRFP!!



The NRFP is voted on by: Captain_Joe08, Dr. Acula, FCGrizzliesGrad, Li'l Giant, Mr Ypsi, NCF,  smedindy, USee, and wally wabash.

Wally, any idea why I can not see the fan poll on the post?  I am technology challenged, but do have an up to date computer.

Wally, all I am seeing is what is in the quote, no image at all.

Alright, that's weird because I see the image in your quote.  Probably a browser setting somewhere that's blocking the image. 

Try the direct link:
http://i.imgur.com/Gwvrm6F.png

Now that I think about it I am at school and it blocks everything not education related.  I will check it at home.  Always like to see what is up in the north after Mount.

[Bishopleftiesdad]

YOU get a vote!  And YOU get a vote!!  Everybody gets a vote!!  Week 2 NRFP!!



The NRFP is voted on by: Captain_Joe08, Dr. Acula, FCGrizzliesGrad, Li'l Giant, Mr Ypsi, NCF,  smedindy, USee, and wally wabash.

Wally, any idea why I can not see the fan poll on the post?  I am technology challenged, but do have an up to date computer.

Wally, all I am seeing is what is in the quote, no image at all.

Alright, that's weird because I see the image in your quote.  Probably a browser setting somewhere that's blocking the image. 

Try the direct link:
http://i.imgur.com/Gwvrm6F.png

Now that I think about it I am at school and it blocks everything not education related.  I will check it at home.  Always like to see what is up in the north after Mount.

Wesley Dad my guess is that the photo service that Wally is using, also has people that post questionable content I cannot imagine any School allowing access to it.