FB: Region 4 fan poll

[GRIZ_BACKER]

I'm still looking for the team with three wins vs. somebody's top 40.  I need to ID those teams before I can have a firm opinion on how those three wins measure up to a win vs. Thomas More.  I don't know if I'm missing something or not looking at the right rankings or what.

Look no further than Franklins 215th ranked defense out of 244 teams. Or their 226th ranked run offense to go with their 4th ranked pass offense (total offense ranked 50th). I gave you the teams I have ranked ahead of Franklin. You seem like a smart guy, I'll let you figure out who beat who among them. I am sure you have a pretty firm opinion no matter what anyone else data says.

While the 215/244 is a real number that number is misleading. For the most part the starters are not in for Franklin past the forst coople of series in the thrid quarter. In the fourth quarter the 3rd string is playing.  For example Manchester scored 2 cheapies in the fourth.  Another factor when you score a ton of points quickly via the pass is that the other team has more chances to get more yards and points. Chase Burton threw 6 TD passes before the 4th quarter last week.  We really dont know who is better than who.  I will say that I think Franklin with no D3 losses and a win against a top 20 should be ranked ahead of Wabash.  Is Wabash really a top 20 team with a close win over Albion and a loss to Witt? IDK. Depauw while no quality wins is putting up some obscene numbers with no losses.  That is the fun of this board though.

[USee]

I'm still looking for the team with three wins vs. somebody's top 40.  I need to ID those teams before I can have a firm opinion on how those three wins measure up to a win vs. Thomas More.  I don't know if I'm missing something or not looking at the right rankings or what.

Look no further than Franklins 215th ranked defense out of 244 teams. Or their 226th ranked run offense to go with their 4th ranked pass offense (total offense ranked 50th). I gave you the teams I have ranked ahead of Franklin. You seem like a smart guy, I'll let you figure out who beat who among them. I am sure you have a pretty firm opinion no matter what anyone else data says.

While the 215/244 is a real number that number is misleading. For the most part the starters are not in for Franklin past the forst coople of series in the thrid quarter. In the fourth quarter the 3rd string is playing.  For example Manchester scored 2 cheapies in the fourth.  Another factor when you score a ton of points quickly via the pass is that the other team has more chances to get more yards and points. Chase Burton threw 6 TD passes before the 4th quarter last week.  We really dont know who is better than who.  I will say that I think Franklin with no D3 losses and a win against a top 20 should be ranked ahead of Wabash.  Is Wabash really a top 20 team with a close win over Albion and a loss to Witt? IDK. Depauw while no quality wins is putting up some obscene numbers with no losses.  That is the fun of this board though.

Griz,

I hear you but don't you think other teams in the top 10 on here have their 3rd/4th string playing late in games? I know UMU, NCC, Wheaton, Witt, etc have done that in their blowout wins.

I agree with you on Franklin. There is only one person with Wabash ahead of Franklin and that's probably to balance out Wally.

Witt/Depauw this week, Wheaton/NCC and Benedictine/Lakeland next week. Clarity is coming.

[smedindy]

A lot of those yards for Franklin were in the Bluffton game, who may be better than we traditionally think. That must have been a wild game, as Bluffton put up scads of yardage, 38 points and punted nine times.

If Bluffton continues to play well, I'm going to re-evaluate Franklin. They gave up two garbage time TDs against Manchester, which if gambling were legal in Bushwood would have been a bad beat.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

I was column 1 this week. No changes in my top 10 from last week. My next three teams in alphabetical order are Bluffton, Carthage, and Denison.
I'm looking forward to the Bluffton @ RHIT game on the 29th. If Bluffton wins that they should go 9-1 and it will be interesting how the North committee ranks them compared to 8-2 teams.

[Captain_Joe08]

I am the second column (and the person who accidently listed Carthage twice). I did not make any major changes other than moving Benedictine up a spot. Was tempted to put Lakeland back on the ballot after their resounding win against Concordia Wisconsin.

[Dr. Acula]

Just watched Wheaton. I'm starting to think the North region is down as a whole this season. 

[wally_wabash]

This is going to be posted on Wednesday this week.  We have a voter with previous engagements through the first part of the week so we'll be a day later that usual.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

This is going to be posted on Wednesday this week.  We have a voter with previous engagements through the first part of the week so we'll be a day later that usual.

Knowing who and what you're talking about... was that a pun in there?

[wally_wabash]

This is going to be posted on Wednesday this week.  We have a voter with previous engagements through the first part of the week so we'll be a day later that usual.

Knowing who and what you're talking about... was that a pun in there?

Yes.   

[Mr. Ypsi]

Another easy week of balloting, as games went pretty much 'to chalk'.  I did do a slight bit of tinkering.  (Last week I just copied my previous week's ballot and sent it in!)

Next week should finally provide some movement (unless, of course, everything again goes as predicted ).  Undefeated Witt is at undefeated (but untested) Denison, 4-1 Carthage is at 4-2 Elmhurst*, and biggest of all, undefeated Wheaton is at undefeated NCC.  (JCU @ ONU might also be interesting - ONU has so far been a dud, but 'Kickoff' had them at #22 preseason, so there must be something there.)

*The three losses by Carthage and Elmhurst consist of a narrow loss each to Wheaton, and Elmhurst's loss AT Olivet (who is near or at the top of my list to replace anyone who drops out of the NRFP).

[Captain_Joe08]

Sent my ballot in. Had to drop a team down a few spots due to them losing and everyone behind them winning but they stayed in the top 10. Otherwise it was a near replica of last week.

[Dr. Acula]

I didn't make any changes this week.  I debated moving Denison in at #10 because I wasn't blown away by Benedictine this week, but I opted to wait and see what happens against Witt this week.  Normally I would drop DPU for losing as well, but my issue was that I have Wabash ranked right behind them and I couldn't figure out how to justify hopping the LG's over DPU when their loss was to the same team in similar games.  I was hoping that either DPU would win or get beat badly so it'd sort itself out for me!

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

I had both 9 and 10 on my ballot lose so there was a bit of movement at the bottom. For me I think there's the top 7, then a big gap down to a cluster from 8 to about 14. That cluster is tight enough that they will probably move around based on their performance each week.
Also North Central is just 1 spot behind Mount Union on my top 25 ballot.

[smedindy]

Back and in. Moved out my 10. Reshuffled from 5 to 8.

[wally_wabash]

Apologies for the late post tonight, gang. Here's the NRFP Week 6 poll:



The NRFP is voted on by: Captain_Joe08, Dr. Acula, FCGrizzliesGrad, Li'l Giant, Mr Ypsi, NCF,  smedindy, USee, and wally wabash.