FB: Region 4 fan poll

[Gregory Sager]

To be fair to Chuck (and to USee as well), I interpreted this:

Here's what the North Region Committee Thinks as first rankings are out:

1 Mount Union 8-0
2 Illinois Wesleyan 7-1
3 John Carroll 7-1
4 Trine 8-0
5 North Central (Ill.) 7-1
6 Baldwin Wallace 7-1
7 Wabash 7-1
8 Wittenberg 7-1
9 Franklin 7-1
10 Eureka 8-0

Looks like Mr Ypsi is on the committee that votes there too.

... as a reference to Eureka being ranked, not to IWU being #2, since Chuck's been an outspoken champion of the Red Devils. For all of the flak that I give Chuck about his green-tinted glasses, he is usually an objective voter regarding his alma mater in the NRFP.

[USee]

To be fair to Chuck (and to USee as well), I interpreted this:

Here's what the North Region Committee Thinks as first rankings are out:

1 Mount Union 8-0
2 Illinois Wesleyan 7-1
3 John Carroll 7-1
4 Trine 8-0
5 North Central (Ill.) 7-1
6 Baldwin Wallace 7-1
7 Wabash 7-1
8 Wittenberg 7-1
9 Franklin 7-1
10 Eureka 8-0

Looks like Mr Ypsi is on the committee that votes there too.

... as a reference to Eureka being ranked, not to IWU being #2, since Chuck's been an outspoken champion of the Red Devils. For all of the flak that I give Chuck about his green-tinted glasses, he is usually an objective voter regarding his alma mater in the NRFP.

Yep. that's what I was referring to. It's no secret that I am the only one who voted JCU anything other than equal with Mt Union.

[smedindy]

Yep. that's what I was referring to. It's no secret that I am the only one who voted JCU anything other than equal with Mt Union.

So voting JCU 2 and Mt. Union 1 is saying JCU = Mt. Union.

What crazy town math are you using?

[smedindy]

I have Denison 6 leading the NCAC Troika. I KNOW they lost to SW but I'm putting more emphasis on recency in this case. I think NOW Denison is better than Witt or Wabash.

[thunderdog]

It's no secret that I am the only one who voted JCU anything other than equal with Mt Union.

Oh c'mon USee, me voting JCU @ #2 doesn't mean I view them as UMU's equal, nor does it mean the gap between #1 and #2 is less than the gap between #2 and #3. I chose not to jump into that fray, well, because I didn't know we had to clarify how much distance we have between our votes. It's no secret that UMU has distanced themselves from the rest of the North region, and from all of d3 for that matter, save UMHB. (Enter UWW, UST, and SJU fans with their rebuttal). To argue otherwise, means you've had your head in the sand for much of the past 25 years when it comes to d3 football.

So, for the record, (not that it matters), I'm with USee in regards to that argument

[jamtod]

It's no secret that I am the only one who voted JCU anything other than equal with Mt Union.

Oh c'mon USee, me voting JCU @ #2 doesn't mean I view them as UMU's equal, nor does it mean the gap between #1 and #2 is less than the gap between #2 and #3. I chose not to jump into that fray, well, because I didn't know we had to clarify how much distance we have between our votes. It's no secret that UMU has distanced themselves from the rest of the North region, and from all of d3 for that matter, save UMHB. (Enter UWW, UST, and SJU fans with their rebuttal). To argue otherwise, means you've had your head in the sand for much of the past 25 years when it comes to d3 football.

So, for the record, (not that it matters), I'm with USee in regards to that argument

I think Mount Union made themselves pretty clear in 2012 and 2015, not to mention other years when Mount advanced further than UST (Enter Wesley and Linfield fans to complain about the "easy" path Mount Union gets every year) in the playoffs. With Fulford, I fully expect Mount to take care of business the next 2 years as well. I'll be happy if the Tommies can overtake them at some point. I'll be cheering for it, and maybe even in attendance.

I'm sure the SJU folks will happily come in here and tell you all about how they had your number in 2003 though and how they had 3 championships before Mount Union even had 1 though.

[USee]

You guys are so easy. I was kidding. I had Smed's as even money to take the bait. No idea Thunderdog would bite for a bonus point. 

[thunderdog]

Let's get back to business. I have a problem with the committee including Franklin and, more so, Eureka on the poll. The reason you ask? Here goes:

Franklin lost to Albion 35-56
Albion lost to Hope 24-29
Hope lost to Millikin 21-25
Millikin lost to Wheaton 6-63

I know the transitive property is fail-proof, but it is something. It just seems to me the committee doesn't give much thought to SOS or even better, quality of schedule.

[Pat Coleman]

What the committee does want to do, generally, is get as many of its automatic bid conferences represented in the poll as is reasonable.

[Gregory Sager]

Which is fewer steps removed from Kevin Bacon: Franklin or Wheaton?

[GRIZ_BACKER]

Let's get back to business. I have a problem with the committee including Franklin and, more so, Eureka on the poll. The reason you ask? Here goes:

Franklin lost to Albion 35-56
Albion lost to Hope 24-29
Hope lost to Millikin 21-25
Millikin lost to Wheaton 6-63

I know the transitive property is fail-proof, but it is something. It just seems to me the committee doesn't give much thought to SOS or even better, quality of schedule.

certainly the rankings make for great conversation but they don't take into account only those teams with a material chance of making the playoffs.  As an example Eureka is in barring some monumental meltdown.  Franklin may not make some folks ranking due to a misstep early in the season and a weaker conference but the reality is that they are prob going to be a 6/7 seed as teams considered better wont make it in  (UW Lacrosse, Wheaton, Wittenberg, or Baldwin Wallace)

[thunderdog]

You guys are so easy. I was kidding. I had Smed's as even money to take the bait. No idea Thunderdog would bite for a bonus point. 

[GRIZ_BACKER]

I have Denison 6 leading the NCAC Troika. I KNOW they lost to SW but I'm putting more emphasis on recency in this case. I think NOW Denison is better than Witt or Wabash.

North Region Playoff Projection and Seeding as of 10/31/18 if projected conference winners hold suit.  NC and ILW could flip and Wabash most likely last team in if Denison wins tiebreaker as expected.  Obviously inter-regional brackets due occur as well and host teams have to apply.  But based on the numbers this is close (IMO)

[thunderdog]

Griz_Backer,

Appreciate the effort, but you have 3 at large teams from the North going to the playoffs. That will never happen, at least not in 2018...

[USee]

Griz_Backer,

Appreciate the effort, but you have 3 at large teams from the North going to the playoffs. That will never happen, at least not in 2018...

Pretty sure he meant it to be a snapshot of today's position. Obviously 2 of BW/JCU/IWU/NCC will pick up an additional loss and drop off this board.