FB: Region 4 fan poll

[Mr. Ypsi]

Back to football...

I think an interesting argument is "who should be ranked higher, Wheaton or Washington?"

It's a great example for differing opinions on what a poll should be... If you believe a poll is "best resume", I think that Wheaton's 52-30 win at NC outshines Washington beating Wheaton by 7 in St. Louis. However, there are plenty of people who see the head to head result and won't consider placing Wheaton ahead of Washington. If you're asking simply who you believe is "better", you first have to define "better"... Does better mean when they're playing their best ball, their worst, or the average/median?

Due to h-to-h I had WashU over Wheaton until today's ballot, but 48-3 in Kenosha definitely outpoints 49-42 in Decatur.  My only other change from last week's ballot was NCC jumping from #4 to #2 (which also helped Wheaton), with JCU and IWU each dropping one slot.

[Li'l Giant]

Back to football...

I think an interesting argument is "who should be ranked higher, Wheaton or Washington?"

It's a great example for differing opinions on what a poll should be... If you believe a poll is "best resume", I think that Wheaton's 52-30 win at NC outshines Washington beating Wheaton by 7 in St. Louis. However, there are plenty of people who see the head to head result and won't consider placing Wheaton ahead of Washington. If you're asking simply who you believe is "better", you first have to define "better"... Does better mean when they're playing their best ball, their worst, or the average/median?

I'm one of those that has in the past ranked a team higher than a team it lost H2H. Not sure what I'm going to do here. I usually do my ballot sober, so. Of course, maybe it would make more sense now.

[smedindy]

This deep into the season body of work is a bigger factor than H2H.

[Mr. Ypsi]

This deep into the season body of work is a bigger factor than H2H.

Well, sure (which is why I have Wabash higher than Denison).  But "body of work" consists of many factors, of which the single biggest one is (IMO) H2H.  Until this week, I didn't think Wheaton's body of work outranked WashU's H2H; now I do.

[USee]

What's crazy is if Wheaton QB Curtis McWilliams doesn't go down in the first half against WashU, it's entirely orobable the Thunder win that game and they would be the AQ with NCC one of the top rated Piol C teams.

[footballlover]

Same scenario in the Wash U - IWU game. What's crazy is if Wash U QB Johnny Davidson doesn't go down in the beginning of the first quarter against IWU, it's entirely probable the Bears win that game - then what?!?!

WU actually dominated the Wheaton game - held them to -3 yards rushing...

[USee]

Same scenario in the Wash U - IWU game. What's crazy is if Wash U QB Johnny Davidson doesn't go down in the beginning of the first quarter against IWU, it's entirely probable the Bears win that game - then what?!?!

WU actually dominated the Wheaton game - held them to -3 yards rushing...

No they didn't. 63 yds rushing and minus 66 on 10 sacks. Wheaton's defense dominated WashU's offense. 10 sacks is pretty impressive though, you guys must have a dominant DLine.

[thunderdog]

These are not my picks, this is my prediction for Wednesday's release of North Regional Rankings, week 2:

UMU
JCU
NCC
Trine
BW
Wabash
Witt
Franklin
IWU
Wheaton

I don't think IWU's spot at #2 in the first release keeps them from tumbling all the way below all the 1 loss teams. The same thing would have happened to NCC if IWU would have won this past Saturday's matchup. The same can be said for the JCU vs BW loser when the final rankings are released after next week's games.

The ordering for IWU vs Wheaton is much closer than you'd think, despite the h2h win by IWU. Wheaton currently has the stronger SOS (.606 - 4th in the country) to IWU's .588 - 15th in the country. Wheaton will be 2-1 in the RRO category (wins over NCC & Monmouth, loss to IWU) and IWU will be 1-2 (win over Wheaton, losses to NCC & UW-Lacrosse). UWL may or may not hang onto the #10 spot in the West region.

[wally_wabash]

These are not my picks, this is my prediction for Wednesday's release of North Regional Rankings, week 2:

UMU
JCU
NCC
Trine
BW
Wabash
Witt
Franklin
IWU
Wheaton

I don't think IWU's spot at #2 in the first release keeps them from tumbling all the way below all the 1 loss teams. The same thing would have happened to NCC if IWU would have won this past Saturday's matchup. The same can be said for the JCU vs BW loser when the final rankings are released after next week's games.

The ordering for IWU vs Wheaton is much closer than you'd think, despite the h2h win by IWU. Wheaton currently has the stronger SOS (.606 - 4th in the country) to IWU's .588 - 15th in the country. Wheaton will be 2-1 in the RRO category (wins over NCC & Monmouth, loss to IWU) and IWU will be 1-2 (win over Wheaton, losses to NCC & UW-Lacrosse). UWL may or may not hang onto the #10 spot in the West region.

They will.  Or even sneak up a spot or two. 

[USee]

Thunderdog,

How is it you know so much about what the committee is going to do? You an insider?

[smedindy]

Same scenario in the Wash U - IWU game. What's crazy is if Wash U QB Johnny Davidson doesn't go down in the beginning of the first quarter against IWU, it's entirely probable the Bears win that game - then what?!?!

WU actually dominated the Wheaton game - held them to -3 yards rushing...

No they didn't. 63 yds rushing and minus 66 on 10 sacks. Wheaton's defense dominated WashU's offense. 10 sacks is pretty impressive though, you guys must have a dominant DLine.

-3 yards is -3 yards, no matter rushing or sacks. 63 yards rushing isn't that great either.

The Thunder-Colored glasses must be working overtime...

[HScoach]

Dog:  I don't think the SoS difference is worth mentioning.   With 200+ teams in D3 the 6th and 15th rankings are essentially the same number.  If you're talking 6th and 50th then yes.

[USee]

Same scenario in the Wash U - IWU game. What's crazy is if Wash U QB Johnny Davidson doesn't go down in the beginning of the first quarter against IWU, it's entirely probable the Bears win that game - then what?!?!

WU actually dominated the Wheaton game - held them to -3 yards rushing...

No they didn't. 63 yds rushing and minus 66 on 10 sacks. Wheaton's defense dominated WashU's offense. 10 sacks is pretty impressive though, you guys must have a dominant DLine.

-3 yards is -3 yards, no matter rushing or sacks. 63 yards rushing isn't that great either.

The Thunder-Colored glasses must be working overtime...

No it's not. It's widely understood by anyone that has a clue about football statistics that sack yards are not rush yards. They are called passes. It's one of the bigger flaws in college statistics.

[thunderdog]

Thunderdog,

How is it you know so much about what the committee is going to do? You an insider?

USee, if you really really want to know... well... I've been watching "Justified" on Amazon. So, I've got some Raylan Givens (said in a Boyd Crowder voice) going on at the moment and thus, I think I've got these regional committee's pegged.

[wally_wabash]

Thunderdog,

How is it you know so much about what the committee is going to do? You an insider?

USee, if you really really want to know... well... I've been watching "Justified" on Amazon. So, I've got some Raylan Givens (said in a Boyd Crowder voice) going on at the moment and thus, I think I've got these regional committee's pegged.

Underrated program.  I will shamefully admit that I lost track of it before the series ended, but it was consistently good.  I'll take Olyphant playing a cowboy-ish dude every day and twice on Sunday.