NESCAC

d4_Pace · November 11, 2021, 01:10:29 PM

Yes the coaches vote but the impression I've gotten in the past is they try to get it out of the way as quick as possible and don't put the deserved time into it.

d4_Pace · November 11, 2021, 01:11:22 PM

I assure you that N'golo Kante is not playing in the NESCAC. Additionally N'golo kante is not an attacking midfielder or striker whose primary job is to score and create goals.

d4_Pace · November 11, 2021, 01:14:24 PM

Yeah, obviously I'm a huge homer so I try not to go out of my way to defend all the Tufts guys. I think Lauta is the best goalie in the NESCAC but the other two are solid to the point it wasn't an egregious omission even if I think its incorrect. I also think the centerback Clivio should have been in the running for ROY. First centerback in a long time to come in and start at center back which is such a physically demanding position in the nescac.
Rest assured Lauta and Clivio will find their names on this list multiple times in the future.

PaulNewman · November 11, 2021, 01:26:06 PM

Not my battle and I've never quite gotten why these things are important to folks....but...Tufts DID get 5 players on and next is 3 for Conn, Midd, and Bowdoin. Poor Hamilton the only shutout.

d4_Pace · November 11, 2021, 06:25:28 PM

Yeah at the end of the day these things don't matter and it's not what you play for. That being said, all these guys are so competitive that you are pissed off when you don't win. And in any aspect of life it's nice to be recognized for the work you put in. Plus the plaques make a cool thing to put on your office desk.

PaulNewman · November 11, 2021, 06:52:42 PM

Quote from: d4_Pace on November 11, 2021, 06:25:28 PM
Yeah at the end of the day these things don't matter and it's not what you play for. That being said, all these guys are so competitive that you are pissed off when you don't win. And in any aspect of life it's nice to be recognized for the work you put in. Plus the plaques make a cool thing to put on your office desk.

D4, from my pov you are doing exactly what you should be doing. You're an outstanding representative of Tufts in general and the soccer program specifically. Why wouldn't you take great pride in what you and the program have accomplished, rejoice in the brotherhood you all created and are motivated to sustain, and be protective of your turf? I don't know if this will translate the way I want it to, but you all have earned me being envious. I respect that you usually don't shrink from what you're thinking or your reactions to things, own your allegiance (and whatever homerism that yields), and do all of that without exaggerated denigration and gratuitous shots at other programs.

Novacat · November 11, 2021, 07:44:46 PM

Guys - this is an absolute joke. For Augis to be named player of the year over Calvin Aroh shows a complete lack of soccer knowledge and, frankly, a complete lack of any attention to detail. Calvin is a complete force on the field, totally sets the tone for any game he plays in. And, he actually scored more goals and points than Augie, who was banged up and missed some games. Love Augie, but he was not even the best player on his team in the 4 games I watched.

This voting is an absolute joke. Calvin Aroh should be national player of the year. It makes the NESCAC look very petty. Shame on those coaches.

PaulNewman · November 11, 2021, 08:09:59 PM

Quote from: Novacat on November 11, 2021, 07:44:46 PM
Guys - this is an absolute joke. For Augis to be named player of the year over Calvin Aroh shows a complete lack of soccer knowledge and, frankly, a complete lack of any attention to detail. Calvin is a complete force on the field, totally sets the tone for any game he plays in. And, he actually scored more goals and points than Augie, who was banged up and missed some games. Love Augie, but he was not even the best player on his team in the 4 games I watched.

This voting is an absolute joke. Calvin Aroh should be national player of the year. It makes the NESCAC look very petty. Shame on those coaches.

LOL...here come the burners...

OK, so Aroh, who didn't blow me away when I saw him live other than scoring on a ball TVB put right on his forehead....Give us your rank order of the NESCAC top 5.

d4_Pace · November 11, 2021, 08:18:39 PM

Yeah I'm obviously pretty biased and have my one sided motivations but I try to be fair. The hardest part is knowing what to share and what things to air out in public and I generally sway pretty conservative on that cause its not worth the controversy. The all-NESCAC are consistently bad and have been since I've been around which is annoying cause it shouldn't be that hard to get right

d4_Pace · November 11, 2021, 08:20:24 PM

Quote from: Novacat on November 11, 2021, 07:44:46 PM
Guys - this is an absolute joke. For Augis to be named player of the year over Calvin Aroh shows a complete lack of soccer knowledge and, frankly, a complete lack of any attention to detail. Calvin is a complete force on the field, totally sets the tone for any game he plays in. And, he actually scored more goals and points than Augie, who was banged up and missed some games. Love Augie, but he was not even the best player on his team in the 4 games I watched.

This voting is an absolute joke. Calvin Aroh should be national player of the year. It makes the NESCAC look very petty. Shame on those coaches.

Hahhaha I have no idea who you are but I like what you're saying. I agree that Augie is definitely a great player but this is probably the craziest player of the year selection, along with Conor Coleman of course, in the last 10 years.

PaulNewman · November 11, 2021, 08:31:09 PM

Quote from: d4_Pace on November 11, 2021, 08:18:39 PM
Yeah I'm obviously pretty biased and have my one sided motivations but I try to be fair. The hardest part is knowing what to share and what things to air out in public and I generally sway pretty conservative on that cause its not worth the controversy. The all-NESCAC are consistently bad and have been since I've been around which is annoying cause it shouldn't be that hard to get right

You seem to think it is or almost is systemic. Clearly you think the errors are blatant and repetitious. So what's the theory? A particular coach? A pact between two coaches? Or are they really clueless about soccer? It's fair to ask when you publicly state how outrageous you think it is. Same question to the "other guy" lol.

I seem to recall Amherst players/fans complaining that Amherst always got screwed on these things but the suggested rationale was crystal-clear...a conspiracy to not give Serpone anything.

Novacat · November 11, 2021, 08:49:40 PM

I have no idea what the theory or conspiracy is. But how does a kid - Augie- (who I love by the way, played for our local club) who plays 7 league games make player of the year as an attacking midfielder when a player like Calvin Aroh has better scoring statistics as a defensive midfielder and is on a team with a dominant defense.

Calvin literally does it all for Tufts - dominant trackler as the 6, very strong in the air both defensively and in the box on offense, great distributor, sets the tone. Scored 5 goals in conference, a couple game winners.Really?

Augie is not even the best player on his own team, I would vote for Yeonas who is more versatile. Aegis was very banged up this year. Only played in 7 games and was hurting in some he played in.

Calvin may win 3 National championships and be the best player for 2 of those season and not win a POY in NESCAC. Something is wrong (although GG definitely deserved it last year)

PaulNewman · November 11, 2021, 08:54:58 PM

Quote from: Novacat on November 11, 2021, 08:49:40 PM
I have no idea what the theory or conspiracy is. But how does a kid - Augie- (who I love by the way, played for our local club) who plays 7 league games make player of the year as an attacking midfielder when a player like Calvin Aroh has better scoring statistics as a defensive midfielder and is on a team with a dominant defense.

Calvin literally does it all for Tufts - dominant trackler as the 6, very strong in the air both defensively and in the box on offense, great distributor, sets the tone. Scored 5 goals in conference, a couple game winners.Really?

Augie is not even the best player on his own team, I would vote for Yeonas who is more versatile. Aegis was very banged up this year. Only played in 7 games and was hurting in some he played in.

Calvin may win 3 National championships and be the best player for 2 of those season and not win a POY in NESCAC. Something is wrong (although GG definitely deserved it last year)

So your NESCAC top 5?

1. Aroh
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d4_Pace · November 11, 2021, 08:59:01 PM

I don't think its a systemic bias or anything like that. I think a lot of the coaches blow it off and don't even take the 5 minutes to look at the NESCAC stats leaderboard. I understand that it doesn't really matter to them that much, but I worked on one of these staffs you've got plenty of free time during the day to give this 30 minutes of effort.

PaulNewman · November 11, 2021, 09:04:59 PM

Quote from: d4_Pace on November 11, 2021, 08:59:01 PM
I don't think its a systemic bias or anything like that. I think a lot of the coaches blow it off and don't even take the 5 minutes to look at the NESCAC stats leaderboard. I understand that it doesn't really matter to them that much, but I worked on one of these staffs you've got plenty of free time during the day to give this 30 minutes of effort.

Sorry, but that doesn't hold up. You're suggesting it's random based on coaches blowing it off, but somehow randomly the result is wrong every time and very specifically. And that's actually a little insulting....to think that a group of 11 coaches don't know that this is important for some and that it's published and will be talked about. I would think they take it seriously, including to who is best with attention also to distribution among more teams rather than less, trying to be fair, etc.