NESCAC

[Becks]

This just in: Amherst 5, Wes 0.
No noise?

Fouls     1    2    Total
Wesleyan University    6    5    11
Amherst    13    10    23

CAUTIONS AND EJECTIONS
AMHERST     #26    Justin Aoyama     Yellow card    28:56
WESM15     #21    Danny Rubenstein     Yellow card    40:07
AMHERST     #5    Andrew Orozco     Yellow card    43:10
AMHERST     #10    Milton Rico     Yellow card    47:53
AMHERST     #4    Luke Nguyen     Yellow card    47:53
AMHERST     #TM    Team     Yellow card    50:24
WESM15     #10    Brandon Sousa     Yellow card    61:07
AMHERST     #14    Nico Pascual-Leone     Yellow card    62:25
WESM15     #10    Brandon Sousa     Red card    64:00
AMHERST     #28    Bryce Ciambella     Yellow card    64:53 

[Jump4Joy]

Homer here:
Yeah. I know, I know. Several cards were laughable, which the haters don't want to hear and won't believe.

Many foul calls were totally legit and came from hard play.

Notable: It was the Cardinals who drew the red.

[Becks]

Based on the number of fouls, it is possible that some of the Amherst yellows were for persistent infringement.

What was Amherst's "Team" yellow for? I didn't know there was such a thing.

[Off Pitch]

Yeah. I know, I know. Several cards were laughable, which the haters don't want to hear and won't believe.

The "team" yellow is typically on the coach.   

Amherst has apparently joined the ranks of the Patriots, anyone who watches Amherst and has any question about the coach's or team's behavior is automatically a "hater".

[Becks]

Amherst now has 26 yellow cards for the season, 8 more than Hamilton, which has the second most. And Amherst has a game in hand over Hamilton with which to widen their lead. No other NESCAC team has more than 10.

[Off Pitch]

Citing that statistic is a micro-aggression and is hateful. Shame on you.

[Jump4Joy]

 

[12SNoon]

Amherst now has 26 yellow cards for the season, 8 more than Hamilton, which has the second most. And Amherst has a game in hand over Hamilton with which to widen their lead. No other NESCAC team has more than 10.

It seems like you're suggesting that Amherst is a #dirty team. That makes sense in a vacuum (more cards = more dirty) but Amherst games are extremely intense, so they're often refereed differently than most other NESCAC games. I've heard this from the referees themselves and other former non-Amherst NESCAC players.

[FourMoreYears]

Amherst now has 26 yellow cards for the season, 8 more than Hamilton, which has the second most. And Amherst has a game in hand over Hamilton with which to widen their lead. No other NESCAC team has more than 10.

It seems like you're suggesting that Amherst is a #dirty team. That makes sense in a vacuum (more cards = more dirty) but Amherst games are extremely intense, so they're often refereed differently than most other NESCAC games. I've heard this from the referees themselves and other former non-Amherst NESCAC players.

If this were the "Amherst games are intense" theory was the cause, one would find that the opponents of Amherst gather more cards in Amherst games than they do in other non-Amherst games.  It's not research I'm inclined to do, but that would support this theory.  Otherwise, it's just that Amherst has a style of play that results in more cards for themselves.

[Jump4Joy]

Lots of yellows in college soccer are earned through persistent infringement.
The fouls, in and of themselves, are not "dirty." Rather, the same player has committed a series of recognized fouls.
That's another way a team can look "dirty" on paper when they are not "dirty" overall.
For me, a team is "dirty" when its players intend to injure the opponents. I don't get that vibe from Amherst.
While there have been a few moments in NESCAC games over the past several years when it has felt that both teams are trying to "get back at" one another, I generally see most games as intensely passionate and not "dirty."

[Becks]

Lots of yellows in college soccer are earned through persistent infringement.
The fouls, in and of themselves, are not "dirty." Rather, the same player has committed a series of recognized fouls.
That's another way a team can look "dirty" on paper when they are not "dirty" overall.
For me, a team is "dirty" when its players intend to injure the opponents. I don't get that vibe from Amherst.
While there have been a few moments in NESCAC games over the past several years when it has felt that both teams are trying to "get back at" one another, I generally see most games as intensely passionate and not "dirty."

I think "dirty" is a pretty subjective term. I think most often it is used to refer not to a player who is very physical but to a player who uses a lot of unsportsmanlike techniques to try to get an advantage - such stepping on your feet on corners so you can't run or jump, elbowing you or pinch you when the ref isn't looking, intentionally taking little cheap shots after the ball has gone and the refs are looking the other way, and/or who hold as much as they can get away with. It may well be that Amherst doesn't engage in those unsportsmanlike techniques (at least not significantly more than other teams), but rather plays with a physical aggressiveness that often borders of recklessness. While many view physical players as more honorable than players who engage in unsportsmanlike techniques, they are no more loved by opponents or opposing or neutral fans. Regardless of whether there is intent to injure, physical play that results in a lot of fouls pretty obviously increases the risk of injury. And from a spectators standpoint, results in a less attractive game with more stoppages.

Amherst seems to be about as loved by the rest of the CAC as Bill Laimbeer's Pistons were loved by the rest of the NBA.

[Becks]

Re Wes - Sousa red card could be a real blow. By my calculation, if Bates beats Colby, Wes needs to get at least a tie against Conn to lock up a spot in the NESCAC tournament. It would be sad for Sousa if the red card against Amherst is his last game. If Wes qualifies, would Sousa be able to play in the first round of the NESCAC tourney? Wes will no doubt be rooting for Amherst to beat Trinity on Wed in order to avoid the first round rematch.

[Mr.Right]

I would bet Bates v Colby ends in a 0-0 hence eliminating Bates.

[Mr.Right]

I have to agree with Bloots----This issue has been re-hashed over and over for years....Personally, if you all want to keep re-hashing it someone should it as a new topic so we can just focus on Nescac without the Serpone bashing....Personally, I agree with you easygoer but I have nothing left to say about it nor the energy to do it....My biggest beef with Serpone nowadays is his NCAA failures.....

[Mr.Right]

Congrats to Tobias Gimand being named Nescac Player of the Week...He is Trinity's best playmaker and is a very skilled player. If Trinity plans on making a late season run they have the athleticism, skill and work ethic to do so but they need this guy creating chances for Savonon and others to finish...