WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[bbaskets]

Based on last year's All-Conference selections, the teams that finished higher in the standings did secure more selections.  The following were the number of selections that each team received last season:

IWU:  4
Wheaton:  3
Carthage:  3
North Central:  2
Elmhurst:  1
Milikin:  1
North Park:  1
Augustana:  0

If the top teams again get 3-4 selections, there will be several players with better stats that will not be considered for the All-Conference Team.

[bflong]

Congratulations to LL for being named CCIW POW... Good luck to all teams participating in the conference tournament this weekend!  It is going to be a fun weekend!!!

[iwumichigander]

Lastly, with respect to the All-Conference selections, can any of you clarify what coaches look to?  I am assuming that the teams that finish higher in the standings typically secure more selections?  Do they look more at the entire season or more at the player's performance within the CCIW?  I would appreciate any insight that any of you may have into the process.

The nominees come from the coaches; and, in voting no coach can vote for their own players. So, the 'pool' comes from the coaches and I know of no limit placed on the coaches (other than good common sense) as to the number of nominees per coach.  The nominees are not for 1st, 2nd or 3rd teams (or MOP) - just All-Conference nominations.

From CCIW Administrative Manual:
C.   Each coach must vote for a five-member first team, a five-member second team and a five-member third team.

1.   After nominations the five players receiving the greatest number of points will be designated as first team.  In case of a tie for the fifth position, a separate vote will be taken with regard to the players involved in the tie and the loser placed on the second team.(emphasis mine)

2.   The remaining players will be nominees for the second team.  Coaches will be allowed to also nominate additional players for the second team and then vote.  In case of a tie for fifth position on the second team, a separate vote will be taken with regard to the players involved in the tie.  The player receiving the greatest point total will be selected. 

3.   Based on the voting, a third team will be chosen. 

In general, teams that finish higher in the regular conference standings do secure more selections.  I think it simply comes down to - the better players are generally on the better teams.  It's an All-Conference not an All-Season recognition, so coaches I've talked to base their vote largely on CCIW performance not the entire season. 

About MOP The CCIW Manual simply states that "An outstanding player shall be selected from the first team."  Further, I would note no other criteria exists - not stats, not scoring proficiency, not most valuable, not from the conference champion, nothing other than --- it is a matter of judgment by the conference coaches!

[RogK]

Does the manual say that the player shall be out standing in the hallway near the room where the voting occurs?

[iwumichigander]

Does the manual say that the player shall be out standing in the hallway near the room where the voting occurs?

Ha Ha +1k It probably should say - no players, no parents, no family and especially no D3Hoops.com posters 

[Hoosier Titan]

Does the manual say that the player shall be out standing in the hallway near the room where the voting occurs?

Ha Ha +1k It probably should say - no players, no parents, no family and especially no D3Hoops.com posters 

I say yes to that!

[mactitan]

On 1.17.10: IWU 74 at Elmhurst, 64
Solari: 16 points (on 5-7 shooting, 6-9 FT), 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 turnovers, 4 steals in 32 minutes
Long: 13 points (on 3-8 shooting, 3-6 3FG,  4-4 FT), 4 rebounds, 0 assists, 5 turnovers, 0 steals in 25 minutes

On 2.6.10: at IWU 73, Elmhurst 60
Solari: 17 points (on 7-14 shooting, 3-4 FT), 9 reb, 2 a, 3 to, 1 st, 0 blk in 27 min.
Long: 26 points (on 10-21 shooting, 3-8 3 FG, 3-3 FT), 2 a, 5 to, 0 st, 1 blk in 36 min.

[mactitan]

Congratulations to LL for being named CCIW POW... Good luck to all teams participating in the conference tournament this weekend!  It is going to be a fun weekend!!!

Did I miss a press release?

[RogK]

mactitan, your "head to head" comparison of Christina vs Lyndsie has some relevance to the MOP discussion, although I don't think they guarded eachother much, if at all. They probably fought over some rebounds.
To complete that sort of analysis, here are other head to head encounters:
Jan 9 --
C Solari 4/5 FG, 4/7 FT, 12pts, 17 reb, 4a, 5 TO, 3 st, 29:00
Jacklin 5/10, 1/2, 11 pts, 5 reb, 1a, 4 TO, 2blk, 4 st, 29:00
Jan 30 --
C Solari 3/8, 2/3, 8 pts, 12 reb, 4a, 5 TO, 1blk, 36:00
Jacklin 8/16, 3/6, 19 pts, 10 reb, 1a, 1 TO, 4 blk, 4 st, 36:00
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Jan 12 --
Jacklin 5/13, 1/3, 11 pts, 10 reb, 4a, 0 TO, 4 blk, 1 st, 33:00
Long 9/15 (4 threes), 3/4, 25 pts, 5 reb, 2a, 2 TO, 1 st, 38:00
Feb 10 --
Jacklin 10/13, 4/5, 24 pts, 8 reb, 0a, 0 TO, 3 blk, 1 st, 34:00
Long 16/28 (8 threes), 5/6, 45 pts, 11 reb, 0a, 1 TO, 0 blk, 0 st, 39:00
All three of 'em are pretty good, eh?

[RogK]

Thunder38illini,
I was just looking at your all-CCIW team. We have some differences among our selections, most prominent being that I put one North Central player and you put three.
I agree that all three (Errico, Newson and Karl) are good players, each having turned in some outstanding games. My thinking is that, at 2-12, NC can't have 3 of the 15 spots on the all-conference team. I put Karl on mine because I think she is among the 2 or 3 best point guards in the league. I also have substantial admiration for Errico because she played hurt a lot this year, but did well anyway. The same applies to Meghan Merklein of Elmhurst; if she can get really healthy, she'll be among the conference's best. I gave the Jays and Millikin only two spots each on my list primarily because I think IWU and Carthage each deserve four.
However, it is unlikely that the coaches will vote four from any one team.
I almost included Augie's Lani Kasten because she had several fine games, but she was less consistently good than the 15 I listed. Kasten may have been the most improved player this year -- her or Cecily Aldridge, Julia Robert, Beth Wellbaum.

[cciwalum03]

RogK,
Totally agree with you about putting three NCC players on the all-CCIW team.  There is no way that would happen.  I would have to agree with putting Karl on over Errico.  Being a NCC grad I attend many games and can see how important Karl is to the team, but don't get me wrong Errico is important as well.  I agree with Karl being one of the top 3 point guards in the league, not to mention she does the jump ball (and shes the point guard )  I think the team would be totally different without Karl there because she has composure and was able to handle pressure that other teams threw at her fairly well.  And considered the ball was in her hands most of the time she had much fewer turn overs that Errico.  Either young lady would be fine with me being a NCC follower though.  I am looking forward to how two will play again next year for the senior seasons

[RogK]

cciwalum03, is there any chance of Meghan McGuire playing at NC for '10-'11? She'd be a senior. I thought I heard she was still attending there.

[cciwalum03]

RogK
I know for a fact she is still attending.  Whether she is planning to play or not I do not know.  I know she took the year off for "personal reasons".

[RogK]

Well, we'll have to wait and see about that possibility.
"Personal reasons" is appropriately vague, by the way, as it is none of our business why any player is on a team or not.
Anyway, she was a good strong player as a freshman and sophomore and could help the Cardinals next year.

[cciwalum03]

Totally agree with you RogK